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Rocky Dijon
It's logic like this that makes this board worthwhile.
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flilflam
The problem with most Keith haters is quite simple. There are way too many amateur medical doctors out there who seem perfectly comfortable diagnosing brain damage from afar, with no formal training at all. And I forgot to mention all the amateur arthritis experts and alcohol abuse experts, once again with no medical training at all. I wrote a thread called Keith Bashers are Frustrated Musicians a few months ago. Needless to say, this was met with anger because some amateur musicians were unabe to accept that their guitar skills were sub par.
I have said this before and will say it again. Keith's guitar skills should be judged by the studio work only. I was very pleased with the musicianship on A Bigger Bang. No one will remember a mediocre stage performance. We will always have the CD's and vinyl records.
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Midnight Toker
Download 1981 "Little T&A" on youtube,then download the same song 2006. The defense rests.
To below that's puching below the belt... Take 2 perfs of any artist that are separated by 25 years and you'll notice a decline. Imho it'd wiser and more revelant compare tings era by era.
The period that goes from 2002 to 2007 is a Stones era fo ex.
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The problem with most Keith haters is quite simple. There are way too many amateur medical doctors out there who seem perfectly comfortable diagnosing brain damage from afar, with no formal training at all. And I forgot to mention all the amateur arthritis experts and alcohol abuse experts, once again with no medical training at all. I wrote a thread called Keith Bashers are Frustrated Musicians a few months ago. Needless to say, this was met with anger because some amateur musicians were unabe to accept that their guitar skills were sub par.
I have said this before and will say it again. Keith's guitar skills should be judged by the studio work only. I was very pleased with the musicianship on A Bigger Bang. No one will remember a mediocre stage performance. We will always have the CD's and vinyl records.
yes, we remember your thread. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. And it has nothing to do with anyone's anger:
1. To say you must be a frustrated musician because you simply report the observation that Keith was playing very poorly is complete crap. Why? It is just an observation, and although there are many guitarists here, one doesn't have to be one to make that observation.
2. You said Keith should only be judged on studio work. This makes absolutely no sense. When what you are "selling" as a professional musical act is your show, and charging top prices for it, how can the quality of the performance be exempted from judgment?
3. Why should anyone you don't know, haven't ever met, or whose playing you haven't ever heard, accept the conclusion from YOU that their guitar skills are "subpar"?
So, basically nothing you are saying here makes the slightest bit of sense.
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Rocky Dijon
The real question is whether or not Don McLean is a Keith-hater based on the lyrics of "American Pie." Let's not lose our focus, people.
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flilflam
I have said this before and will say it again. Keith's guitar skills should be judged by the studio work only. I was very pleased with the musicianship on A Bigger Bang. No one will remember a mediocre stage performance. We will always have the CD's and vinyl records.
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Rocky Dijon
The real question is whether or not Don McLean is a Keith-hater based on the lyrics of "American Pie." Let's not lose our focus, people.
He's a Mick-hater. His hands 'were clenched in fists of rage', dont forget.
The bastard.
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flilflam
I have said this before and will say it again. Keith's guitar skills should be judged by the studio work only. I was very pleased with the musicianship on A Bigger Bang. No one will remember a mediocre stage performance. We will always have the CD's and vinyl records.
Fair enough. Charge the price of a CD the next time they perform live then, and everyone will be happy.
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JumpingKentFlash
Well, he didn't say anything like not picking up a guitar in a long time, let alone years.
The video is here: [www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com]
And I did a transcript of the bit about guitar practice:
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Jimmy Fallon:
Do you ever get rusty? Do you ever not like play the guitar for months?
Keith Richards:
Actually you're looking at a very rusty Keith Richards right now.
Jimmy Fallon:
No, are you?
Keith Richards:
Yeah, I do have to do some practice, so don't pull me up (Points to the house band).
Jimmy Fallon:
So you get like.... You need a little....
Keith Richards:
If you've been on the road for two years, and then suddenly you stop. So you say "Just put the axe away for a little bit", and then you say "I've really gotta catch up man". So at the moment I'm doing a lot of catch-up.
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Disregarding that this interview is almost a year old and all that, Keith merely said that he put the guitar away for a little bit and that he's doing some catch-up, and lastly that he's very rusty. The worst part of it is that it's so typical for many people on this forum (And you know who you are) to take a mouse and make it into an elephant.
I hope I've set the record straight for some people with this post.
Keith Richards did not say that he hasn't picked up a guitar for years!!!!
So there.....
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Gazza
I think, all things considered, that everything points to him being pretty inactive for various reasons, most of them, it has to be said, completely understandable.
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JumpingKentFlash
As you say, talk is cheap. We can't know if he's better or worse right now, but consider Daniel Day-Lewis who dropped acting for 5 years to make shoes in Italy. He came back and kicked ass in Gangs Of New York. Why do you always have to judge on the negative side of things? Is it because you want to be happily surprised if you think he actually does play better in 2012? Can't you get on the team for a little bit?
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rooster
while if Richards sings he s gettin better and better..like this old blues and country...heroes of his
Hey..Dox...you remember the Leeds 82 show?....Jagger joined Keith on stage to sing Little T&A....thats so moving!...but by the by...i really-do think-his voca-is gettin so much better(this place is empty is ace!)....just let that lost guitar hero jeff beck join the group(he almost did in 75}or maybe better some unknown Red Devils guy! sure it will work and we get more keith songs(lord knows im only dreaming) cheers!Quote
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while if Richards sings he s gettin better and better..like this old blues and country...heroes of his
Most likely Keith has used vocals as his way of expression more profoundly since getting difficulties with the guitar.
By contrast, the much praised "Little T&A" from the 1981/82 was a kind of struggle in vocalwise a the time... (I loved it any case, but he was more keen on leading the band with his guitar than concentrating on the vocal expression).
- Doxa
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Hey..Dox...you remember the Leeds 82 show?....Jagger joined Keith on stage to sing Little T&A....thats so moving!..
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Hey..Dox...you remember the Leeds 82 show?....Jagger joined Keith on stage to sing Little T&A....thats so moving!..
So was this the last time Mick sang on a Keith song ?
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roosterHey..Dox...you remember the Leeds 82 show?....Jagger joined Keith on stage to sing Little T&A....thats so moving!...but by the by...i really-do think-his voca-is gettin so much better(this place is empty is ace!)....just let that lost guitar hero jeff beck join the group(he almost did in 75}or maybe better some unknown Red Devils guy! sure it will work and we get more keith songs(lord knows im only dreaming) cheers!Quote
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while if Richards sings he s gettin better and better..like this old blues and country...heroes of his
Most likely Keith has used vocals as his way of expression more profoundly since getting difficulties with the guitar.
By contrast, the much praised "Little T&A" from the 1981/82 was a kind of struggle in vocalwise a the time... (I loved it any case, but he was more keen on leading the band with his guitar than concentrating on the vocal expression).
- Doxa
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Rocky Dijon
To 71Tele, I do not regret the "American Pie" thread (which was supposed to be a "Vincent" thread). It is my version of showing the blade. When things get stirred up in any thread, there is no better remedy than bringing up Don McLean plus it eggs StonesTod on to say something funny. It's like offering (forgive me) pie to people that are arguing. Everyone stops to eat it.
My personal favorite was Jack Flash sitting on the candle stick being a reference to Jagger enjoying gay sex. That was as good as it will ever get.
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Rocky Dijon
The real question is whether or not Don McLean is a Keith-hater based on the lyrics of "American Pie." Let's not lose our focus, people.
He's a Mick-hater. His hands 'were clenched in fists of rage', dont forget.
The bastard.
OK. I really am sorry I started this American Pie debate. Mea culpa, mea culpa...
But all I was trying to say about that song was that it had a point of view, and that Jagger was mentioned (not by name of course) among the contemporary artists the singer seemed particularly bothered about. I didn't write the damn song, but I have gotten a lot of sh*t about this. It'll teach me to stay out of threads about artists I don't give a crap about it I suppose...
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Hey..Dox...you remember the Leeds 82 show?....Jagger joined Keith on stage to sing Little T&A....thats so moving!..
So was this the last time Mick sang on a Keith song ?
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mtaylor
Keith himself knows his problems. Charlie mentioned in an interview previously published here on the board, that Keith during the last tour was about to give up playing on the tour beucase of pain in his fingers - that tells a lot for a person that loves to play guitar and being on tour.
There have been talks about somehow a treatment to his artritis problems - how much really has happened I don't know. Maybe somebody can tell.
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ineedadrink
it's interesting that there's a huge amount of live stuff from the stones' recent performances but hardly anything from when they were at the top of their game years ago.