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once again Gazza is 100% spot-on (alas)

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Someone said they asked MT not long ago and he confirmed he overdubbed on one track (likely PMS I reckon). Maybe Keith didn't get the memo.

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Regarding the Austin show: I thought the the additional recordings refered to camera work (like something from backstage). Do we have any hard evidence that it was guitar work by Pierre or is it just the usual naysayer tripe?

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Amsterdamned
Taylor played lead and rhythm on PMS, one can argue about it, but I'm not going to argue with Keith Lawyers.

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Taylor played lead and rhythm on PMS, one can argue about it, but I'm not going to argue with Keith Lawyers.

I don't think Keith's lawyers will have much of a desire to argue about it either. The proof is in the pudding.

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If neither Was, Jagger or Richards confirmed that Taylor did overdubs, and Taylor said he did, why would people believe Taylor? Is it because people don't like the Stones media machine and just disagrees with it for the sake of it and because it's too spin-doctory, or do they have any hard evidence (your ears don't count) that there actually was a recent session with Taylor doing overdubs?

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Keith´statement how good Bill´s bass playing seems to be in his retrospective
sounds strange ´cause Bill´s credited on eight out of eighteen tracks of the original album,which consists of four bassplayers,if I´m not wrong.

Either it has been some kind of a rather constant "wrong place at wrong time" issue or the Stones
weren´t that convinced about his abilities back then,or a mixture of both...

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JumpingKentFlash
If neither Was, Jagger or Richards confirmed that Taylor did overdubs, and Taylor said he did, why would people believe Taylor? Is it because people don't like the Stones media machine and just disagrees with it for the sake of it and because it's too spin-doctory, or do they have any hard evidence (your ears don't count) that there actually was a recent session with Taylor doing overdubs?

I don't have hard evidence; none of us does! If our ears don't count, then we're left with vague,if not contradictory, statements from the principals. Generally, I think about 75% of what Keith says is not to be trusted under any circumstances.

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Just certain riffs like Thumb and JJF where Keith has problems these days.

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You know there is a chance that Taylor did not do any overdubs as Keith stated, both Jagger and Don Was never came right out and said he did. As far as 'Plunder my Soul' It sounds like classic 70's Taylor and Richards to my ears. I think if Taylor did any overdubs it is on one other bonus tracks I have not heard yet.

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Just certain riffs like Thumb and JJF where Keith has problems these days.

that's kinda like saying A-Rod is just having probs hitting curveballs and fastballs....

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CousinC
Just certain riffs like Thumb and JJF where Keith has problems these days.

that's kinda like saying A-Rod is just having probs hitting curveballs and fastballs....

why are you picking on A-ROD? (giants fan ,or A's fan?)

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If neither Was, Jagger or Richards confirmed that Taylor did overdubs, and Taylor said he did, why would people believe Taylor? Is it because people don't like the Stones media machine and just disagrees with it for the sake of it and because it's too spin-doctory, or do they have any hard evidence (your ears don't count) that there actually was a recent session with Taylor doing overdubs?

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JumpingKentFlash
If neither Was, Jagger or Richards confirmed that Taylor did overdubs, and Taylor said he did, why would people believe Taylor? Is it because people don't like the Stones media machine and just disagrees with it for the sake of it and because it's too spin-doctory, or do they have any hard evidence (your ears don't count) that there actually was a recent session with Taylor doing overdubs?

Its got nothing to do with spin doctoring or media machines. Although if you want to open that can of worms with regard to Stones announcements in recent years which turned out to be untrue, it could be a long evening! The only spin I see seems to come from people who take everything Keith says at face value.

One guy says he played on a record, one other guy - who was 3,000 miles away - says the claim isnt accurate and that there's been no contact with him for years (which is untrue in itself) and two other guys who were most involved with mixing the record wont DENY it when theres no logical reason for them to do so.

And BEFORE anything was confirmed about what was happening with bonus material, one poster on this site mentioned inside info that Taylor HAD been given some material to overdub. Before it was even a rumour. It was dismissed by some as highky unlikely. Yet a couple of months later here we are with various band members unable to get a story straight about whether he did or not - and the subject himself claiming that he did (when he has nothing to gain by confirming or denying it).

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Regarding the Austin show: I thought the the additional recordings refered to camera work (like something from backstage). Do we have any hard evidence that it was guitar work by Pierre or is it just the usual naysayer tripe?

Camera work??

It clearly says 'additional recordings by'on the DVD booklet and the two players credited (Beauport and David Rouze) are both guitar technicians. Pierre has even played on Stones studio recordings before, so I cant see how much clearer they can make it. Plus, its quite obvious when watching the Austin show that there are studio overdubs added. Beauport is Keith's guitar tech. Rouze is a bassist who is also Mick's guitar tech.

At least they were up front about it on that occasion and as its been discussed before, why people are even doubting or debating it now is a bit odd.

As for the MT overdubs on Exile. Was & Jagger were evasive about it and refused to confirm or deny it (which is as good as an admission that it happened in my book), Keith says that not only did Taylor not do any overdubs but the band have had no contact with him for years - and yet Taylor says that he overdubbed a guitar part on one song.

If that doesnt speak volumes about the way the Stones work as a band these days (if they're STILL a band) I dont know what does. Why all the secrecy and contradictory statements? You'd think that if they were going to feed BS to their fans and the media, they'd at least try and be consistent aboout getting their stories straight. Doesn't say much for Keith's involvement in the new Exile either IMO.

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is this your final, closing argument to the jury? or will you be calling other witnesses to the stand?

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CousinC
Just certain riffs like Thumb and JJF where Keith has problems these days.

that's kinda like saying A-Rod is just having probs hitting curveballs and fastballs....

why are you picking on A-ROD? (giants fan ,or A's fan?)

i like a-rod - plug in your own struggling slugger as desired....