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Palace Revolution 2000
As great as Exile is. And it is IMO the greatest rock'n roll album of all time, I am not thrilled about the outtakes. Because I have seen that the outtakes are not that great. They used all the good stuff, and even that they had to rework heavily. Yes - Exile is supposed to be the album, that was recorded in the Nellcote basement, but all the real players have since told that most, most of the actual album that we hear was fashioned later in LA. Much writing, and basic direction and feel of course from Nellcote, and a good bit of basic trax. But over dubs, vocals, mixing was done in LA. Other basic tracks are from as early as 69 from other studios.
So "Good Time Women". "Bent Green Needles" acoustic ADTL or and endless rep of the rif cycle w/o vocals of "Let it Loose" is not that grand. I love outtakes; there's just not that much here.
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Gazza
It's nitpicking. Especially when its regarding the MIXING of 40 year old recordings that werent meant to be released to begin with. As it's unlikely we'll be able to put the original personnel in a time machine to transport them back to 1972, it's utterly pointless to bitch about the mix of something we havent heard yet and which may not even be the same versions as a few good, but not great, sounding bootlegs that a few thousand people have. If it wasnt Don Was, it would be someone else at fault. Chuck Leavell must feel relieved he wasnt around that far back!
I can only imagine what the reaction would be if they actually DID sanction a multi disc archives release
It is not "nitpcking". We're talking about perhaps the greatest rock and roll album of all time here. Exile on Main Street is like "The Godfather"...a visceral, murky, multi-layered and genre-defining work that has, with the passage of time, taken on mythical qualities and profound meaning to devotees and fans of all ages. This 'aint Def Leppard...the album is arguably the apotheosis of the dominant musical form of the late 20th Century.
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NeddieFlanders
>We're talking about perhaps the greatest rock and roll album of all time here. >Exile on Main Street is like "The Godfather"...
Nobody would argue if they would re-release The Godfather on DVD and
add a second disc with a making-of or B-roll.
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melillo
dude its not about telling people if you dont like it dont listen, its about the hardcore fans wanting something interesting and different, whats wrong with that?
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Palace Revolution 2000
As great as Exile is. And it is IMO the greatest rock'n roll album of all time, I am not thrilled about the outtakes. Because I have seen that the outtakes are not that great. They used all the good stuff, and even that they had to rework heavily. Yes - Exile is supposed to be the album, that was recorded in the Nellcote basement, but all the real players have since told that most, most of the actual album that we hear was fashioned later in LA. Much writing, and basic direction and feel of course from Nellcote, and a good bit of basic trax. But over dubs, vocals, mixing was done in LA. Other basic tracks are from as early as 69 from other studios.
So "Good Time Women". "Bent Green Needles" acoustic ADTL or and endless rep of the rif cycle w/o vocals of "Let it Loose" is not that grand. I love outtakes; there's just not that much here.
No. There's just not that much thats been bootlegged. Significant difference. Considering its the Stones' best album and was recorded on and off over a period of about 3 years, its hardly reasonable to assume that a) youve heard the best of what there is in the vaults and b) that there arent some good versions of great songs out there.
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Gazza
Palace - I'm not suggesting there are shitloads of great unreleased SONGS in the vaults from that era. I've heard or read nothing to suggest that. However, I'm talking specifically about interesting and releasable alternate versions of the songs that WERE released. Eg, I think its reasonable to think there's a very good version of "Rocks Off" in there or a particularly intriguing take of "Soul Survivor" or "Let It Loose" etc. Doesn't specifically have to be from the Nellcote sessions, could be from Olympic Studios in 1970 or even an alternate mix or take that was finished in 1972 and left off for another version when it came to deciding on the final selections.
I dont see why a CD of this kind of stuff - with maybe a couple of outtakes that WERE good enough (maybe there's a version of 'Travellin' Man' with a finished vocal?) - isnt feasible.
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Lil' Brian
While Exile outtakes would be fun, I'd prefer "Ya-Ya's" extra tracks.
Yeah, the real dynamite lies in the Stones' live output (from before '81). I don't think any Exile outtakes can really touch their best live performances from '69-73. I'm hoping so much that there will be a '72 live DVD with this Exile release, and in any case that the Stones release some live archive releases in the near future.Quote
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Lil' Brian
While Exile outtakes would be fun, I'd prefer "Ya-Ya's" extra tracks.
Agreed...would LOVE complete SBDs of those MSG '69 shows...
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ablett
This board spends years complaining about the lack of new Stones output from the archive then moans when it possibly is going to be released....
Priceless!
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Gazza
Palace - I'm not suggesting there are shitloads of great unreleased SONGS in the vaults from that era. I've heard or read nothing to suggest that. However, I'm talking specifically about interesting and releasable alternate versions of the songs that WERE released. Eg, I think its reasonable to think there's a very good version of "Rocks Off" in there or a particularly intriguing take of "Soul Survivor" or "Let It Loose" etc. Doesn't specifically have to be from the Nellcote sessions, could be from Olympic Studios in 1970 or even an alternate mix or take that was finished in 1972 and left off for another version when it came to deciding on the final selections.
I dont see why a CD of this kind of stuff - with maybe a couple of outtakes that WERE good enough (maybe there's a version of 'Travellin' Man' with a finished vocal?) - isnt feasible.
There supposed to be a Rocks Off version with Keith on lead vocals!
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ablett
This board spends years complaining about the lack of new Stones output from the archive then moans when it possibly is going to be released....
Priceless!
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alimente
Absolutely. As I was one of those people spending years complaining about the lack of new Stones output from the archive I like to make my point clear that at the moment, I care a shit about what they release from the archives, whos mixing it and whatever - no, Im just happy that the ball starts rolling as it seems!
A message to Universal: Whatever youre preparing for us fans in this very moment - get the shit out in the streets as quick as possible before Jagger thinks twice...
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slasausjes
Who cares about the mixer?
Again: I DO
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slasausjes
Who cares about the mixer?
Again: I DO