Not sure if this has been done before but I wanted to do a thread about Brown Sugar. Not a track talk but discussing the development of the tune and the recording sessions plus interesting videos related to it etc. I thought it would be nice to have everything about this tune in one place. Wiki says Brown Sugar was primarily the work of Jagger, who wrote it sometime during the filming of Ned K
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QuoteTheflyingDutchman Quote24FPS QuoteS.T.P QuoteFP Two questions. Did Mick Taylor ever enjoy being a Rolling Stone? He said in Stones in Exile doc that he found it "fun" but without much conviction and every other interview I read he doesn't seem to give much away, although he does seem to regret leaving. Second question, if he had not left, would he have been kicked out by
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Interesting point everyone!
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Two questions. Did Mick Taylor ever enjoy being a Rolling Stone? He said in Stones in Exile doc that he found it "fun" but without much conviction and every other interview I read he doesn't seem to give much away, although he does seem to regret leaving. Second question, if he had not left, would he have been kicked out by Mick or Keith at some point, to be replaced by Ron W
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteFP QuoteDandelionPowderman But did he play on the backing track session at all? He's not on the early Gimme Shelter-version. If he played, though, he would most likely have played in standard tuning. Both of Keith's electric tracks are in open G. I have to relisten but I hear a standard tuned guitar doubling the chords at some points. Also I think t
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan Soul Survivor is without a doubt Taylor. Listen to the heavy vibrato during the outro. Yes, I stand corrected. Mathijs A small victory for the Taylor fans
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QuoteTheflyingDutchman QuoteFP Do you think it is KR or MT playing slide on this instrumental of RTJ? To me it sounds like Taylor, I can't imagine Keith playing at this tempo on slide? If this is Taylor then I think he does play a few licks on RTJ. If this is Keith then I will agree RTJ is Keith. Probably some joker who did the overdub at home. Too amateurish to be Taylor unle
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan It's definitely a Leslie speaker, or a Uni-Vibe. No its not -it's the Varitone of the ES-355 on setting 2 or 3. Mathijs I have relistened to this several times and there seems to be a definite "wobble" or "swim" to Mick Taylor's part, it reminds me of the sound on Clapton's guitar on While My Guitar Gently Sleeps. A
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Intersting quote from Glyn Johns book. Johns explains how Jagger asked him to work on the tapes of Exile In Main Street in London after sessions at Nellcôte in France “had run riot and people were allowed to do whatever they wanted”. He describes working on a track at Basing Street Studios on which Taylor had overdubbed backing vocals, drums and a bass. When Taylor asked the famously no-nonsen
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I wish I could source it but I think there is a Rose Taylor quote that MT said to her that what he thought was some of his best playing was removed from Exile. Anyone know the songs he had in mind?
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Btw on our list of Taylor licks, I have to add the harmony to the intro riff on Rock's Off. It has the same Leslie tone as his buried leady parts, also adding a guitar harmony feels more of a Taylor move. I am also leaning towards Travelin Man's idea that the outro lead part is from a different take, or an overdub, than the earlier buried licks as it does not have a Leslie effect an
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BTW I reread John Perry's book about Exile and he has Taylor playing the second rhythm on RO and also the main guitar on Let It Loose! JP is a fine player himself (The Only Ones) so he had the technical knowledge to assess the playing styles but again he says it is more guess work than anything. Bill Janovitz in his book also has Taylor on slide on RTJ and Soul Survivor.
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan I think Let It Loose was pretty old, Olympic. Loving Cup I now believe was from Nellcote after rewatching the Stones in Exile doc. Torn And Frayed I believe is Nellcote because of Jim Price’s story. Turd On The Run is a mystery. It could have been recorded anywhere. Was Stop Breaking Down at Stargroves or Olympic? Loving Cup, T&F and SBD are
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QuoteMathijs QuoteFP I think Travelin Man mentioned somewhere else that on Stones in Exile you can hear a demo of Taylor playing the riff on acoustic briefly. This is why we think Taylor plays the dobro part and also why he gets the writing credit. Keith plays the main electric part but Taylor double it on the dobro. That's Keith playing the slide and the dobro. And all guitars on Ha
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QuoteTaylor1 QuoteFP QuoteTravelinMan FP, I was thinking about this and Star Star is a perfect place for this because I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody told me Taylor or Richards played either guitar on this one. In a sense, it’s a perfect home for this discussion because it shows their skills can cross, like Bye Bye Johnny. I think some players who work together a lot can start taking on the
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QuoteTravelinMan FP, I was thinking about this and Star Star is a perfect place for this because I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody told me Taylor or Richards played either guitar on this one. In a sense, it’s a perfect home for this discussion because it shows their skills can cross, like Bye Bye Johnny. I think some players who work together a lot can start taking on the style of the other.
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QuoteTheflyingDutchman I don't care that much who said it. Fact is that the musical interaction between Keith and Taylor was limited, and at the same time brilliant from both sides. Jagger more or less the referee. Did Jagger take sides? Yes, because Taylor was unreliable and too young given the circumstances. Talented as hell though. Did Taylor use his potential? No.Too much time and too
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OK so to sum up I think we are all agreed on the following: Most of the Stones were in LA at some point for the Sunset Sound sessions, but the amount of time they spent in the studio and for how long we don't really know. It seems untrue most of the Nellcote tracks were unusable, many of the basic tracks recorded in France were brought over and used. It looks likely both overdubbing
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Another good Andy John's article. About IORR but has a lot of good stuff about Taylor.
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan They weren’t supposed to be recording (including overdubs) so I believe Stu was keeping it confidential. They obviously did overdubs, but there were no band sessions laying down new songs from scratch. They were supposed to be recording, they booked the small studio B for 6 weeks to record vocals and do overdubs, and booked many musicians for the sessions which y
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteTaylor1 QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteTaylor1 QuoteDandelionPowderman <.It seems strange that Keith in the next 50 years from when Exile was recorded he never played slide again except for Till the Next Goodbye? His slide playing is only on Let it Bleed and Beggars> Very strange indeed, because it's not true. Listen to his solo on Fight, for instance.
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QuoteTaylor1 QuoteDandelionPowderman <.It seems strange that Keith in the next 50 years from when Exile was recorded he never played slide again except for Till the Next Goodbye? His slide playing is only on Let it Bleed and Beggars> Very strange indeed, because it's not true. Listen to his solo on Fight, for instance. And Hoodoo Blues. He continued to play slide on Happy in c
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Quoteautomaticchanger QuoteFP Quoteautomaticchanger QuoteFPYes that's what I'm saying,there is no evidence of a Taylor rhythm guitar on Rock's Off. Mathijs was suggesting that rhythm parts were wiped from RO and RTJ but I don't hear evidence on any source that MT ever played a rhythm part on either. The Exhibitionism show had multitracks of a few songs available at a listeni
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteTravelinMan QuoteDandelionPowderman All guitars are slide on Ventilator Blues. There is an acoustic which just comps chords as well as the main electric slide, what sounds like a resonator slide, and then the lead that comes in about halfway. Isn't it also doubling the riff with slide at times? I think Travelin Man mentioned somewhere else that on Stones in
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Quoteautomaticchanger QuoteFPYes that's what I'm saying,there is no evidence of a Taylor rhythm guitar on Rock's Off. Mathijs was suggesting that rhythm parts were wiped from RO and RTJ but I don't hear evidence on any source that MT ever played a rhythm part on either. The Exhibitionism show had multitracks of a few songs available at a listening station - IORR member mrpau
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QuoteDandelionPowderman All guitars are slide on Ventilator Blues. Good point! But I think MT is on one of them!
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QuoteMathijs Nothing is presented as fact, but if you add everything up there is quite a clear picture to be seen. I do not want to downplay Taylor's role in the Stones, but it is my opinion that he was far less important than what many people state: that he made the golden Stones period great. Now this may be true for the 1972/1973 tours (where I agree), but not for the previous tours, and
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QuoteMathijs Nothing is presented as fact, but if you add everything up there is quite a clear picture to be seen. I do not want to downplay Taylor's role in the Stones, but it is my opinion that he was far less important than what many people state: that he made the golden Stones period great. Now this may be true for the 1972/1973 tours (where I agree), but not for the previous tours, and
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QuoteMathijs QuoteDandelionPowderman No, Taylor plays the rhythm throughout. His right hand gives him away (playing style). Keith would never play a boogie this way all through a song. Totally agree. When Taylor plays a Berry style boogie rhythm his right hand often plays an 'and-one', an upstroke right before the '1'. On Star Star you hear this as a full muted upstroke ov
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTaylor1 QuoteMathijs Nothing is presented as fact, but if you add everything up there is quite a clear picture to be seen. I do not want to downplay Taylor's role in the Stones, but it is my opinion that he was far less important than what many people state: that he made the golden Stones period great. Now this may be true for the 1972/1973 tours (where I agree), but not fo
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