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farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 25, 2007 00:21

i'm trying to help someone with a piece of writing about early Stones history,
and i'm looking for documentation of a couple of events in march/april/may 1963.
one of them is Norman Jopling's visit to the Crawdaddy Club, which resulted in .. well, in a lot of things.

Mark Paytress's book Off the Record includes excerpts from an article Jopling wrote about the Stones
that appeared in the may 11th 1963 Record Mirror. does anyone here happen to have the full article,
and/or know where one might be able to have a look at issues of Record Mirror from april through may 4th 1963?
better yet: does anyone know if Norman Jopling is still around & contactable?

thanks & thanks & thanks for any assistance, insights, etc!

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: December 25, 2007 00:50

I don't have that particular issue, but I'll contact my regular 'supplier' to see if he does. In the mean time this rather infamous piece might be of use!?


Richmond and Twickenham Times - April 13th 1963

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: December 25, 2007 01:04

Thanks for posting His Majesty

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Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: stonesrule ()
Date: December 25, 2007 01:29

His..Your Majesty,
At your convenience would you ask your "regular supplier" if he knows where I can buy reasonably a copy of the September 23, 1966 programme for the Stones' first concert at Royal Albert Hall. Thanks very much.

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: Sohoe ()
Date: December 25, 2007 01:44

Thanks His Majesty...nice read

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: john r ()
Date: December 25, 2007 01:55

Does anybody know if the Jopling piece was used in Roy Car's late 70s illustrated chronology? Mine was stolen around 5 years ago by one of my very good and loyal friends.

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 25, 2007 02:18

smile smile smile: thanks HM! and say hello to your supplier for me :E

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: ghostryder13 ()
Date: December 25, 2007 02:38

i've seen alot of old pics of the stones but it still amazes me when i see how young the looked in those days . they look like teenagers

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: December 25, 2007 02:44

THanks Majesty, interesting..!

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: December 25, 2007 03:38

ghostryder13 Wrote:
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> i've seen alot of old pics of the stones but it
> still amazes me when i see how young the looked in
> those days . they look like teenagers


well..in Mick and Keith's case, they still were!

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: straycat58 ()
Date: December 25, 2007 21:01

Hi with sssoul, write me at elmolewis69@libero.it and I send you the scan of the article of N.Jopling. It's not high quality but it's readable; if in the meantime you get a better resolution, I'm interested to receive it.
Sorry I've to send it by mail but I'm not able to post my pix on IORR (or'I'm too old and lazy to learn).

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: December 26, 2007 00:10

The guy I usually buy from has sold all of his 1963 Record Mirror's. :-(

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: parislocksmith ()
Date: December 26, 2007 01:55

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Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 26, 2007 18:26

wow thank you straycat58 - you have email!
and thank you for asking your supplier, HM.
if anyone has any idea where one might look for the april 1963 issues of Record Mirror,
i would love to hear from you, and the historical record would be deeply grateful too.
is there any chance they might be on microfilm in some library or something?
(LoFL: that sounds so archaic. does anyone else remember microfilm?)

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: December 26, 2007 18:31

architect Brian Jones

Maybe Brian told them he was in the erection business!

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: Rank Stranger ()
Date: December 26, 2007 18:49

>>Does anybody know if the Jopling piece was used in Roy Car's late 70s illustrated chronology? Mine was stolen around 5 years ago by one of my very good and loyal friends.

Yes, the article as it appears above is also in Roy Carr's book,page 10 to be precise!

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 26, 2007 19:03

>> the article as it appears above <<

the article above isn't the Jopling piece, though - it's by Barry May.
the may 11th Jopling article was in Record Mirror.

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: Rank Stranger ()
Date: December 26, 2007 19:19

Oops, sorry I was in a hurry when I wrote this; so the Jopling article does not seem to be in Roy Carr's book, only the one by Barry May.

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: December 26, 2007 19:56

Elmo Lewis Wrote:
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> architect Brian Jones
>
> Maybe Brian told them he was in the erection
> business!

Why do you think he came up with the name Rolling Stones?

But he actually used to have an odd job at an architect firm.



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Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: Christian ()
Date: December 28, 2007 19:32

Is that the one you're searching for, with ssoul ?
Not complete but that's a start
From "The Stones" (Philip C. Luce)

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 28, 2007 19:41

thank you Christian - that is indeed the Jopling article from may 11th.
straycat58 already sent me the whole piece, but thank you!
ALO recalls Peter Jones telling him about Jopling's article *before* Jones had seen the Stones;
the version you've provided seems to follow Jones's recollections of it.

if you're intrigued we've sort of moved the discussion to this thread: [www.iorr.org]



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Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: January 8, 2008 13:37

a related question i'm hoping someone here may be able to help with, or know who to ask:
thanks to an amazingly intrepid and glamourous researcher, i now know that the dateline
on 1963 issues of Record Mirror read: "week ending [saturday date, eg 11 may]" and also "thursday".
our best guess right now is that thursday was probably the distribution day - the day it hit the newsstands -
but which thursday would that be, relative to the saturday mentioned in the "week ending" part?
that is: would the Record Mirror for the week ending saturday 11 may have come out on thursday 09 may?
or on thursday 16 may? (the latter idea seems tres weird to me - but a lot of things in this world seem tres weird to me,
so i'd rather ask if someone remembers how it was, or knows someone who would remember.)

(Record Mirror doesn't exist anymore so i can't ask them; i have asked the current copyright owners but they don't know.)

yet another question is what sort of lead time a weekly normally had in 1963 -
how long before distribution was an issue sent to the printers?
monthlies in those days had pretty long lead times - the december issue for example
would tell you what had been going on in october - and it probably came out in early december or late november,
not weeks ahead of the stated date like monthlies now do. but i don't know what the situation was
with UK weeklies in 1963 - any insights would be very very gratefully received!



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Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: gladiolazy ()
Date: June 17, 2008 15:23

I remember it (reasonably) well. In fact I'm currently penning my Record Mirror memoirs and have now documented that episode. But it IS confusing. Is anybody out there still interested?

Best to all from Norman Jopling, Record Mirror reporter from 61-68.

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: June 17, 2008 15:31

>> Is anybody out there still interested? <<

~*YEAH!*~

deeply, even - how cool of you to appear here, Norman Jopling!

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: June 17, 2008 15:41

smile: sorry for being all incoherent but you caused me to fall off my chair here -
welcome to the forum, and i do hope you'll enjoy hanging out here.

and yes i am indeed deeply interested in your recollections of that historic event -
as noted above, in the published accounts Peter Jones and Andrew Oldham recall it differently,
so your input would help hugely in de-confusing the historical record. was it you who persuaded Peter Jones
that that handful of skinny r&b'ers was worth writing about, even though they hadn't made a record yet?
and when/where did you first see them, and when did you do the interview(s) for the article?

and so on! whatever you feel like relating will be very very gratefully received



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Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: June 17, 2008 15:46

Wow, welcome aboard Mr Jopling! cool smiley

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: June 17, 2008 15:49

ps: i'm also still real interested in related details like when Record Mirror came out -
did it appear on the newsstands on the Thursday prior to "the week ending Saturday May 11th" (or whatever Saturday)?
and what day did a given issue normally go to the printers? and so on.

pps: if you're on line now, Mr Jopling: both of us have our email addresses hidden,
but if you'd be willing to field a few more questions by email, i'd be wonderfully grateful,
and i could post my email address here briefly for you, and/or note down yours if you're willing to post it
(we can both edit our posts afterwards to avoid having our addresses hanging out in public)

ppps: i'm so happy you've appeared here, Mr Jopling! [throwing historical-research confetti all over the damn place]

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: gladiolazy ()
Date: June 17, 2008 16:12

Wow! Quick response. I was taking some time out from a big writing job with an ASAP deadline, idly checking out myself on Yahoo! (which I'd never actually done before), when I came across this post - which interests me too, a lot, for reasons I'll explain when I get time to (a) read all the posts (b) collate my info - which I hope will help. Sorry not to be able to do it straightaway, but I might as well do it properly. But here's a couple of background things: New Record Mirror (as it was then; it changed back to Record Mirror that November) was printed in High Wycombe. I used to go up on the Monday night, or Tuesday morning, put the paper to bed, and it was delivered to Shaftesbury Avenue and distributed on the Wednesday before publication date - so we were first on the streets, especially the West End. Our circulation was rocketing at that time. Editor was Jimmy Watson, Peter Jones was an in-demand freelance based at Record Mirror. I was 19! What a job! Talk soon...

Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: June 17, 2008 16:35

ahhh thank you thank you Norman Jopling! for those very-cool details.
so the New Record Mirror in which your historic piece on the Stones appeared was put to bed
on May 6th or 7th - a very eventful week for the fledgling Stones! (it was May 6th that they signed with ALO,
and the 10th that they recorded their first single). so was it on Sunday May 5th that you took Dezo Hoffman
down to the Crawdaddy to take the photo for the article, or had that been done earlier?
i mean: had your article been waiting a bit before it ran? it reads partly as if it had been written
before ALO arrived on the scene - but then again, you mention that they were hoping to record Come On,
so ... so maybe i should shut up, stop speculating and let you tell it!
i shall be looking forward hugely to your next posts, whenever you're ready -
and i'll be preparing more of the finest r&b historical-research confetti in the world to fling around in celebration smoking smiley

thank you thank you for stopping by and for all this clarity!



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Re: farfetched historical research: april/may 63 Record Mirror?
Posted by: scottkeef ()
Date: June 17, 2008 17:17

Is that the Harmony guitar that Keith is playing?

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