Rock and Roll Circus was on Public T.V last night. I recorded it so I can watch it again . I think I can see why the Stones didn't really want to release it. It is OK but nothing great. Tull was really good. And Dirty Mac was good. Until that Yoko showed up. Was that the price they had to pay to get John Lennon to play. Because if I was it wasn't worth it. Man she must have had some hold on that guy for him to put up with her nonsense. I have read at times that one of the reasons the Stones didn't want to put this out was because of the Who's performane. I watched it and thought it SUCKED. I mean there is Townsend singing about sleeping with boys . Creeped me out. And they weren't THAT t good. I found it interesting how restrained the Stones seemed to be. Because not to long after that they embarked on there 69 tour which as we all know was nothing short of great . Just some thougts on a dreary winter day .

I think RARC was really good, especially The Stones were excellent. Don't understand why they didn't release it. Lennon was a little nasty, giving his plate to Mick as if Mick was his servant - perhaps silly details like that contributed to the decision to not release it?

Doubtful that Mick and John's playfulness has anything to do with the decision to not release. JJF was alright, No Expectations and Parachute Women were excellent. YCAGWYW was not bad for a debut. Sympathy was probably the reason they didn't want it released. It was awful and Mick trying to be some demon on stage was ridiculous.

They did believe their performance was sub par and that The Who's was great. The rationale, no sleep in 48 hours, but plenty of drinking and other things. The only reason they did release it was out of respect for it being Brian's last performance, in addition to other late performers who had passed on (Lennon, Moon, Mitchell)

For those in North Carolina, it's on UNC-TV this Wednesday night.

I never understand the whole Circus rationale. They were very good IMO. At least as good as they were many other times. Who knows what dynamics went on behind the curtains? It could have come down to private issues, why Jagger thought The Who were better. Or e.g just alone Lennon saying "Man Mick, the Who blew you guys away tonight.." I think would put serious doubts in Jagger.

"...no longer shall you trudge 'cross my peaceful mind."

I thought it was Klein who said to Mick, "The Who stole your show".

I thought the Stones performance was good, especially considering they had been off the road longer then at any point in their career.

The Who, were about as tight as a band can be---their performance smoked. But then again, they had just completed a tour.

....don't know if it's common knowledge that Mick's outfit in the Lennon backstage scene (with the food/plate, right before YER BLUES) was making fun of the way Allen Klein dressed.... if it's common knowledge, sorry for taking up space, if it's not isn't that interesting that he did that? I always thought it was quite funny....BTW, Damn shame their first 2 songs ROUTE 66 / CONFESSIN' THE BLUES don't seem to have been filmed, maybe not even just the sound recorded without visual.... STUPID F*CK UP FOR SURE......

Yeah, I had read that--was unaware and then went and saw him in that turtle neck and funny colored sweater and cracked up. And, they really should have filmed everything--would have been great to see/hear those two songs.

I'm young dumb-ass...who was playing congas/maracas for the stones?...Also what was the band with the African-American frontman with the round sun-glasses?

Thanks,

Clueless

Sounds like you are referring to, Rocky Dijon and Taj Mahal.

Thank you, Glass Slide

Jethro Tull weren't playing live. Ian Anderson's vocals as well as his flute playing were live, but the rest were just faking. You'll notice the guitarist is a young Tony Iommi just before Black Sabbath.

I love Taj Mahal's performance on that DVD.

josh.

there's a pervasive whiff of allen klein on this project,besides obvious royalty hassles.no matter.r+r circus works like crazy.i agree klein possibly played on mick being aware of the revenue stream+beatles rivalry[sic].so what?mick knows-mick jagger sees the big picture.he must appear on the DVD tho it's beyond his control or real profit.it's a hugely historic documentary+rocks like crazy obviously.who isn't glad it's out?i think more highly of each act(including yoko-I Get It Now!)(check keith during whole yoko freak-out -hoss is rocking!)
ps love keith commentary-jabbering with his dog Rasta
"bark bark"
"hallo Rasta"
"bark bark"
"you've come from the circus but not this circus!"

I like the stones set, I agree that the who's set was good but not THAT good, and the rest had its ups and downs.

But if I look at the film as a whole, well, it's not difficult to understand why it was not released: it's awful!!!

Only fanatics as we are can consider it good. The concept of the circus could have been good, but the whole thing did not have rythm, it drags and drags.

C

Jethro Tull are faking it???? Are you sure? Gazza's bound to know......

"The only reason they did release it was out of respect for it being Brian's last performance, in addition to other late performers who had passed on (Lennon, Moon, Mitchell)"

Seems bloomin unlikely to me!

"Townsend singing about sleeping with boys".... hilarious!!

I love the show. Superb throughout. The Who are on mighty form but I also think Marriane Faithfuls good, Dirty Mac are superb etc.

And ONLY a british band could produce a show like this.....

I thought it was excellent-especially the Stones- JJF and Parachute Woman in particular were very good.

The only down side was Yoko Ono ruining one of the songs with her screeching-how can anyone think that was good!-stupid bint!

I think there's a certain charm to it. I like the violin players look as he's drowned out. I also like the way Lennon is so excited at the end.

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> Jethro Tull are faking it???? Are you sure?
> Gazza's bound to know......

Tull are miming, I think even Ian's vocals(not so sure) and flute(definitely sure) from the original album version are still there, but Ian sings and kinda plays the flute on top of that.



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no expectations on the rock and roll circus is exceptional, but some of the rest of it is not so good.

the stones themeselves didnt think they were at thier best.

the Stones performance was good - not great. They were up for 2 days and looked tired and played tired...check out Salt of The Earth !
The Who were very good.

For what it's worth I think the Stones where great on this film. Yeah ok, the whole format of the film was silly but the band performances where good.

I think SFTD is superb, the best performance availible on official release.

I think I've bust a button on my trousers....

the stones shined....they looked and sounded like the rolling stones...meaner, tougher. no other band of that time looked like rock gods like the stones...
and the older that movie becomes the clearer it is that the stones were ahead of their time with both their look and raw punk/hard rock sound!

just out of curiosity what was the type of amp Keith was using? Outside of the Ampegs he sounded the best tone wise. It was pre-ampeg post vox. His tone his clean yet very low and unusual. I think that is why this performance was so unique because that was a onetime sound for him. Very interesting.

Go Dawgs!

Ringo Wrote:
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> I think RARC was really good, especially The
> Stones were excellent. Don't understand why they
> didn't release it. Lennon was a little nasty,
> giving his plate to Mick as if Mick was his
> servant - perhaps silly details like that
> contributed to the decision to not release it?

Mannnnnn, it was the 60's mannnnn....psychedic 60's...it was the era...
Can you imagine if all the people were alive today and they were going to do something like that how much the concert would cost today? A hefty price.
Let's be happy we have that artifact on film.
Oh, BTW...that was atypical of Lennon's humour...just a wee gag...Mick was smirking too...

1968...Watching it now. Taj Majal, very interesting!
Gotta love Clapton, "of the late, great, Cream" on the stage with
Keith.



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Watched it again tonight on PBS. You gotta hand it to PBS. They may have a reputation for being a bunch of stuffed shirts but in the last week they put on a lot of good rock stuff including Rock And Roll Circus and Jerry Lee Lewis.

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nankerphlege Wrote:
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> just out of curiosity what was the type of amp
> Keith was using? Outside of the Ampegs he sounded
> the best tone wise. It was pre-ampeg post vox.
> His tone his clean yet very low and unusual. I
> think that is why this performance was so unique
> because that was a onetime sound for him. Very
> interesting.

It looks as though Keith is using two amps, a Triumph(possibly a silicon 100) and a Vox Supreme. The supreme is going through a Vox Foundation/Super Foundation bass cab. I notice that it's only the Triumph that's mic'd up though, but the two amps are connected.





I'm not sure if the Triumph was all solid state like the Vox, but most Triumphs in ads from that period were.

I think Keith used this same amp for Gimme Shelter, it appears that it first came in to use during the Beggars Banquet sessions though.

Brian's demise might have had something to do with the decision not to release the circus....