I think they feel that if a CD is less than 50 min. long they'd be acused of ripping people off because of the high price of CDs, so they strech every song out to the point of boredom and repitition. Albums were 30 min. in the 60s Plus LPs had 12 songs [British 14]. If ABB had the 12 best songs, each around 3 min. it would bear up to repeated listenings a lot better.



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sweet neo con Wrote:
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> I stumbled across a bunch of cassettes
> recently...found the band being interviewed in a
> radio station when ABB was released. Track by
> track comments. I'm sure you've heard it. (i'm
> listening to it now)

Haven't heard it. Can you post it?

JumpingKentFlash

ABB no shit!
but...
can't listen stree of love (like out of tears...)
hate it!

Sugar Brown Wrote:
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> ABB no shit!
> but...
> can't listen stree of love (like out of tears...)
> hate it!


Did you see SOL live? Much better, although I must say I liked SOL from the beginning too.

JumpingKentFlash

and if you compared ABB to BtoB, BtoB have some qualities that ABB don't have...
and the same for ABB
the two are great...
its only rock'nroll, you know..

ABB is an album with very good songs,technically, but

I can't feel the fire,
can't feel the sex and soul, there is no mystery at all.

The songs are perfect, but cold, not cool.

I still live in hope, the Stones can do it again, can make some songs and albums with more emotions, with which they will reach my heart, my soul, too,

Songs, which will push me up!



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I like it, its a fun record, still listen to it a lot.

What's great about it is that you have vintage players, playing vintage instruments, but it does not sound vintage at all!

C

liddas Wrote:
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> I like it, its a fun record, still listen to it a
> lot.
>
> What's great about it is that you have vintage
> players, playing vintage instruments, but it does
> not sound vintage at all!
>
> C


And on the LP you can REALLY hear that.

JumpingKentFlash

Still a good album.

However, songs like Rough Justice, Laugh I Nearly Died and Won't Take Long are fading faster than I excepted.

Songs like Let Me Down Slow, Back Of My Hand and This Place Is Empty are still brilliant.

Here is my review of A Bigger Bang...

Rough Justice - You Got Me Rocking II
Let Me Down Slow - Not too bad, forgettable lyrics though.
It Won't Take Long - Lowdown II
Rain Fall Down - The Song On The Disc I Love
Streets Of Love - Likely a Alfie outtake - insipidly lame. Boo!
Back Of My Hand - The Storm II.
She Saw Me Coming - Crackin' Up II (which isn't even their song, so SHAME!)
Biggest Mistake - This HAS to be an Alfie outtake! Grouch drinking on the couch. Party.
This Place Is Empty - Keith... get out of this ballad rut already.
Oh No, Not You Again - Too Tough II
Dangerous Beauty - I Go Wild II
Laugh, I Nearly Died - Already Over Me II
Sweet Neo Con - Mick... stop your politcal posturing already. No one cares.
Look What The Cat Dragged In - Not bad actually.
Driving Too Fast - Not bad either.
Infamy - Sounds good, but feels half-written.
Under the Radar - Why the F--- was THIS not a) on the original b) not the 1st single???
We Don't Wanna Go Home - (yawn).



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If they toured behind this album you might felt differently.

They did Rough Justice, Back Of My Hand, Oh No, Not You Again & Infamy when I saw them. That's about average. And what does that have to do with how I feel about an ablum?

Well if they did tour ABB like SG...the songs would come alive and more folks would dig them.

I still like the whole bunch...outstanding: Rough...It Wont...SOL...TPIE...LWTCBI..LIND...BOMH...I dont really like the sound of the album but i like the songs and its a shame they didnt fight for them!

Can you just imagine had they toured behind the album for real; playing 10 songs from ABB every night? Fleshing them out, turning them into seasoned vets? The songs, I mean.
In some thread yesterday I read where Gazza was talking about reading in an interview by Keith and Mick that after 40 Lix for the first time ever he saw them saying that they didn't see the point in recording an album of new material. This saddens me; because it shows that they no longer think of music,songwriting as something that they have to do, regardless of sales, records, demographics etc. I can noit imagine Keitgh saying something like that years ago. I honsetly wonder if Jagger and Keith sit at home and write a song just for the sake of Zen. because I think like most top musicians for most ofm their lifes they did do this.

"...no longer shall you trudge 'cross my peaceful mind."

rooster Wrote:
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> Well if they did tour ABB like SG...the songs
> would come alive and more folks would dig them.

If a song isn't great to being with, trying to drill them into people's minds at shows won't make them good songs. Some Girls' songs were already great. Big difference.

>its a shame they didnt fight for them!

If a song is great, a 'fight' is unecessary.
They should write songs which don't require such an effort for hardcore fans to convince themselves that they're good songs.

They should simply BE good. Then the general audience may like them too.

Hell, that way - even the album that they're promoting might actually make some sales.

What a concept!

Wonder if that worked for Some Girls...
(checks 'net to discover that Some Girls is their highest selling LP).



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True words by Chelsea.

Well James I disagree...You dont like the tunes ...but I know a lot who does...and in 78...they didnot like Lies...or Whip..most fans wanted to hear the oldies back in 78..and because the Stones Didnt do ropey dopey...those tunes grew...the songs from ABB did not get that change...you have to support your album always,,,They did it with Black and blue...wich a lot of people dont like...the band needs to force these songs through the crowds minds...and they will like them I mean look at SOL...everybody hated it..and they did it and suddenly..its a great song??!! ok you dont like it ..but it seems yo dont like ABB at all.Whats the use of makin new songs If one dont play them??Do you wannna forty Licks forever??



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It's definately a good album by anybodies standards.
It's just not exciting as their best stuff.
Having said that it's better than I expected !!!

More exiting than anyone realize(remember EEEE Exile?}.

I agree with the comments that Laugh... is the best song on ABB. The lyrics dont seem to be based on any specific events in Micks life, but the emotion in that song is sincere to me. I buy it.



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rooster Wrote:
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> Well James I disagree...You dont like the tunes
> ...but I know a lot who does...and in 78...they
> didnot like Lies...or Whip..most fans wanted to
> hear the oldies back in 78..and because the Stones
> Didnt do ropey dopey...those tunes grew...the
> songs from ABB did not get that change...you have
> to support your album always,,,They did it with
> Black and blue...wich a lot of people dont
> like...the band needs to force these songs through
> the crowds minds...and they will like them I mean
> look at SOL...everybody hated it..and they did it
> and suddenly..its a great song??!! ok you dont
> like it ..but it seems yo dont like ABB at
> all.Whats the use of makin new songs If one dont
> play them??Do you wannna forty Licks forever??


What about the scores of people who've never seen them play. When did they get a chance to have any songs played to them to change their minds? People like their classic tunes. Why? Because they're good tunes.

What about the people who weren't even born when their best material came out?
20-30 somethings know their peak period was their peak period because they had a crapload of wicked tunes. Then you had their 70's lull... then Some Girls and Tattoo You are latter classics - their full of great tunes!

To illustrate this point, take the 'other' giant band (despite what some think).
U2. They promote the HELL out of every new album for each tour.

Achtung Baby - good songs, sold well - great tour.
Pop - crap songs, didn't sell well, people ached for the good stuff = cancellations.
All That You Can't Leave Behind - good songs, sold well - great tour.

What frustrates me about the Stones is that I don't believe that they've lost the ability to make a great album - but the songwriting has to be really good. ABB, while it is a return to their classic sound, it's not a return to their classic quality level of songwriting. Saint of Me & Out of Control IMO are (funny, those two songs were meant for a follow up to Wandering Spirit originally).

..... basically,, a bigger bang was a flop..

soundcheck Wrote:
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> ..... basically,, a bigger bang was a flop..


Well, I wouldn't call an album that went platinum and hit #2 and #3 on the UK and US charts respectively a flop.

...... i do

soundcheck Wrote:
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> ...... i do


Why?

jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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> Here is my review of A Bigger Bang...
>
> Rough Justice - You Got Me Rocking II
> Let Me Down Slow - Not too bad, forgettable lyrics
> though.
> It Won't Take Long - Lowdown II
> Rain Fall Down - The Song On The Disc I Love
> Streets Of Love - Likely a Alfie outtake -
> insipidly lame. Boo!
> Back Of My Hand - The Storm II.
> She Saw Me Coming - Crackin' Up II (which isn't
> even their song, so SHAME!)
> Biggest Mistake - This HAS to be an Alfie outtake!
> Grouch drinking on the couch. Party.
> This Place Is Empty - Keith... get out of this
> ballad rut already.
> Oh No, Not You Again - Too Tough II
> Dangerous Beauty - I Go Wild II
> Laugh, I Nearly Died - Already Over Me II
> Sweet Neo Con - Mick... stop your politcal
> posturing already. No one cares.
> Look What The Cat Dragged In - Not bad actually.
> Driving Too Fast - Not bad either.
> Infamy - Sounds good, but feels half-written.
> Under the Radar - Why the F--- was THIS not a) on
> the original b) not the 1st single???
> We Don't Wanna Go Home - (yawn).


I really don't think so many songs sound like something they did before. OK it isn't exactly new, but it's still great.

JumpingKentFlash

it's_all_wrong Wrote:
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> soundcheck Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...... i do
>
>
> Why?

_______ chart positioning/sale numbers mean absolutely nothing,, with any anticapated major music entity's work, your going to see hugh numbers cause thats what 'they ship' and that bleeds into promotion... not just from the band, but the music industry as a whole...

out of 16 or so songs, there is not one that holds up, thats infectious, for any long term endurance,, and that is not a good percentage..
most leave feeling hungry for what is not on the table..

, ,, rough justice was postured to be 'the rocker', and some would not give that even a passing grade, a very contrived number that borders on obnoxious,,

notice, the band didnt even play the album, some shows completely omitted any abb tunes or just tokenly carried one.. i suspect we didnt hear what many of us requested , ie: nearly died, let me down slow, she saw me coming, etc etc (actually anything new) cause they didnt bother to learn them for they had no interest in handling what they thought was subpar, inferior.... actually, one camp wanted to remix the whole dam thing and re release it with those extra numbers..
it is a frisbee that few can throw and listen from one end to the other completey thru.. it wobbles in the air causing kenitic eyeball movement,, like other recent attempts, they seem to want to hit every demographic area for sales, and that causes a very uneven flight,, any air traffic controller would ground a bigger bang.... its as though they have lost confidense... age is definitely a factor..

i would bet the band never has listened all the way thru either... except bill wyman...

....... these are just 'some' observations, much generally speaking, not just some nego ramblin on,, i am always pulling for the stones,, i have been with them since 64, wittnessed there entirely and assume some of there motivations for mortality is a big factor,, but this last album and there constant saturating shows leave me with a hope that they release a fresh dis with in a year to rectify themselfs,, but that is a hugh gamble, they have more to lose than win ..

its a strange deal.. think ill crank up ya yas right now.. get on with the day.

I thought it was crap when it first came out. And it still is.

When it first came out I listened to it 24-7. However, now I hardly ever play it. That isn't necessarily a bad thing because that nearly always happens with me. Only time will tell whether in 10 years time it stands up as well as B2B does for me.

The best bits are:
Rough Justice
Biggest Mistake
This Pace is Empty
Look What the Cat Dragged In

Worst parts for me are
Sweet Neocon - I hate the chorus
Infamy - why is this even on the album? It's nothing but a repeated riff and not the best riff in the world either!