So having read through the whole thread, the most trusted/accurate sources on IORR over the years seem to be suggesting...

Mick appeared keen for studio time...(we have no update as to whether that is happening or is booked in)

The Stones are looking into "the far east" before Europe.

If that is true, it raises a few questions:

1) where in the "far east" would the Stones go?
2) would Australia be included or would it be strictly Asia?
3) should this thread title be updated if Asia comes before Europe (?!)
4) would the Stones have a significant gap between Asia and Europe (see 2014 as the most recent example of something similar?)

If Asia happens before a significant tour in Europe then Feb/March may make sense before Europe in April/May, that would probably mean ticket sales (for the Asia leg at least) this year.

Will be interesting how studio time (if any) interacts with these plans (if at all).



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GJB-

Good summary of this thread! Thanks!

You wrote: "Mick appeared keen for studio time...(we have no update as to whether that is happening or is booked in)"

I'm guessing details on studio time may unfold this fall. Maybe Oct-Nov? I'm only guessing.

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Talking about 2027 for a band whose two leaders are 81 years old (in 3 months for Keith), it's like dreaming!
And in 2030, do you think there'll be a concert in Paris?

Well said! A bit of perspective at last. I read this thread and dates way off into the future are tossed about like confetti. The Stones can tour here in 2025, there in 2026 and somewhere else in 2027. No doubt some are even pushing on into 2028 and even 2029. After all Mick will 'only' be 86 then. Still way off from being 90. The age when we might just consider him retiring.

As for locations, Australia, Asia, South America, Central America, all over North America, back to Europe, ten dates in the UK, etc, etc. Oh yes, and in all the down time they are gonna have, they can, maybe, knock out another new studio album. Or at least piece together the odds and ends lying about after Hackney Diamonds was finalised. And while they are at it, do whatever needs doing to sort out the next anniversary release as well as ready another live album excavated from the vaults.

No I'm not being a spoilsport, or overly negative, or making decisions for the band, or interfering. I'm just keeping my feet on the ground, smelling the coffee and being realistic. Even the truly phenomenal Mick Jagger cannout defy the hands of time forever. And neither can the sadly less robust Keith and Ronnie.

Lets just take things in six month-long steps good people. Not make wild assumptions about 2-3 years ahead. As for another new studio album, yes I know there is supposed to be a mini-stockpile of unused material left over from Hackney Diamonds. Great news of course. But do we not think that whatever is there is maybe not as good as what went into the album? And how much still needs to be added? While I would love another album as much as anyone here, I wonder how much enthusiasm the band themselves have for one? Hackney Diamonds sold poorly in the US where there seems to be little or no wider appetite for new Stones material. It sold much better here in the UK and in Europe. But the sales were still small in comparison to 20-30 years ago. On the other hand Forty Licks has been selling slowly but steadily for over a year now. Proof, as if we needed it, that it is the good old warhorses that the punters get excited about.

i get where you guys are coming from but a lot of us get off on the wild crazy unreasonable predictions that drive you crazy

your right it's unrealistic to seriously talk about any strenuous physical activities a bunch octogenarians might be doing in 3 years time

but we gotta talk about somethig in the meantime while we wait for something to happen

as for the possible album in the works

if mick says multiple times it's two thirds done and adds other details about it being something different from what they've done before

i think it's safe to assume we're probably pretty close to another album being released (at least compared to the previous nearly two decade wait)

could mick be exaggerating how far along they are maybe

as far as sales well who sells anything anymore in large numbers besides taylor swift which i'm sure they were aware of when they released the last album

what little they played from hd this last tour they seemed to enjoy playing and the audience seemed to respond well to it as well (and that's important to mick)

perhaps a major reason for mick wanting to do another album is to be able to play new material to an enthusiastic audience

and as you mentioned hd did sell better in europe perhaps if they plan to tour there they wanna have something new to play and the european audiences seem like they might be more receptive



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i get where you guys are coming from but a lot of us get off on the wild crazy unreasonable predictions that drive you crazy

your right it's unrealistic to seriously talk about any strenuous physical activities a bunch octogenarians might be doing in 3 years time

but we gotta talk about somethig in the meantime while we wait for something to happen

as for the possible album in the works

if mick says multiple times it's two thirds done and adds other details about it being something different from what they've done before

i think it's safe to assume we're probably pretty close to another album being released (at least compared to the previous nearly two decade wait)

could mick be exaggerating how far along they are maybe

as far as sales well who sells anything anymore in large numbers besides taylor swift which i'm sure they were aware of when they released the last album

what little they played from hd this last tour they seemed to enjoy playing and the audience seemed to respond well to it as well (and that's important to mick)

perhaps a major reason for mick wanting to do another album is to be able to play new material to an enthusiastic audience

and as you mentioned hd did sell better in europe perhaps if they plan to tour there they wanna have something new to play and the european audiences seem like they might be more receptive

If it's a bit "dfferent" , what might take the longest is the arguing and finally agreeing about what should be on it

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i get where you guys are coming from but a lot of us get off on the wild crazy unreasonable predictions that drive you crazy

your right it's unrealistic to seriously talk about any strenuous physical activities a bunch octogenarians might be doing in 3 years time

but we gotta talk about somethig in the meantime while we wait for something to happen

as for the possible album in the works

if mick says multiple times it's two thirds done and adds other details about it being something different from what they've done before

i think it's safe to assume we're probably pretty close to another album being released (at least compared to the previous nearly two decade wait)

could mick be exaggerating how far along they are maybe

as far as sales well who sells anything anymore in large numbers besides taylor swift which i'm sure they were aware of when they released the last album

what little they played from hd this last tour they seemed to enjoy playing and the audience seemed to respond well to it as well (and that's important to mick)

perhaps a major reason for mick wanting to do another album is to be able to play new material to an enthusiastic audience

and as you mentioned hd did sell better in europe perhaps if they plan to tour there they wanna have something new to play and the european audiences seem like they might be more receptive

If it's a bit "dfferent" , what might take the longest is the arguing and finally agreeing about what should be on it

Give that man a medal. I really think you have nailed it sir!

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i get where you guys are coming from but a lot of us get off on the wild crazy unreasonable predictions that drive you crazy

your right it's unrealistic to seriously talk about any strenuous physical activities a bunch octogenarians might be doing in 3 years time

but we gotta talk about somethig in the meantime while we wait for something to happen

as for the possible album in the works

if mick says multiple times it's two thirds done and adds other details about it being something different from what they've done before

i think it's safe to assume we're probably pretty close to another album being released (at least compared to the previous nearly two decade wait)

could mick be exaggerating how far along they are maybe

as far as sales well who sells anything anymore in large numbers besides taylor swift which i'm sure they were aware of when they released the last album

what little they played from hd this last tour they seemed to enjoy playing and the audience seemed to respond well to it as well (and that's important to mick)

perhaps a major reason for mick wanting to do another album is to be able to play new material to an enthusiastic audience

and as you mentioned hd did sell better in europe perhaps if they plan to tour there they wanna have something new to play and the european audiences seem like they might be more receptive

A fair, balanced and perfectly argued riposte Mr Professor sir. And I take your well argued point about the wild and crazy predictions. Maybe I'm just getting too old and set in my ways? Maybe I'm also having a 'sense of fun' by-pass? Maybe I'm just a grumpy old b***ard?

In my own defence I will say that my caution comes more from worry about tempting fate, than wanting to spoil anyone's fun. I marvel at the longevity of the band. Or what is left of it. Mick is, of course, a genuine phenomenon. But neither Keith or Ronnie are blessed with great health. And yet, here they are, working harder than many people thirty years younger than them. Maybe they will, somehow, defy all known logic, and live forever...??

Roll on the new album, if one is indeed in the pipeline. Your information is very clearly way more accurate than mine in that regard. I'm still enjoying Hackney Diamonds of course. Then I'm also still enjoying Between The Buttons, Aftermath, Satanic Majesties, and, Heaven help us all, Dirty Work. I always think there is something vaguely improper about enjoying Dirty Work. But then I also thing the same about Gomper. And that is a whole different story for a different strand of IORR.



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perfectly reasonable to be cautious given the realities of there ages

truth is its a bizarre miracle that keith and ronnie are still able to do this as well as they can at this age and they don't have many peers to look to about how to do this in your eighties

but they can still surprise us and exceed our expectations

the last tour was the longest in a long time and ended up having the longest sets in years too

and ain't nothing wrong with enjoying dirty work i do myself (especially the outtakes)

more on topic and not jumping to far ahead

i wonder if they do a far east tour first
whether they'll use the gap between that tour and the european tour to promote and release the new album

perhaps with more emphasis on promoting it with european media instead of americsn (no more jimmy fallon please)

then they can go right into a tour of europe with a new album to play to an audience for whom this will be fresh and new instead over a year old like with the last tour

maybe we'll get more songs too if the audience reacts to the new material the way mick want them to



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whether they'll use the gap between that tour and the european tour to promote and release the new album

No, because it was clearly said that the Stones will be touring behind HD - [iorr.org] .

ah i must have missed that

but nothing says they can't do both

its there band there the boss's

In regard to a new Stones album in 2025 and what Mick and Keith have said... if you look back at how they were in 2016-2020, they were vague. Their 'oh didn't know it's been so long' bit, Mick finishing songs from the Living In A Ghost Town sessions (which arguably shows that they were close to having an album completed), and then the usual inconsistencies of 'We've got 7 or 8 tracks' how many times? What, the same 7 or 8? That's weak - to Don Was saying that about 40 songs have been recorded, and then Charlie dying, they did new material with Jordan, it's a new Stones era now, and on and on and on.

They were only commenting on their inability to finish anything because they were admittedly lazy.

And then tossing Was and getting Watt, listening to apparently 100 something songs, mostly finished tracks and some demos, and started completely over, Watt said up to five takes per song and move on, and finished it.

It gives credence to what's been pointed out about artists getting older and 1-5 reasons why their creative period ceased, excluding Mick's statement in 1972, at least in terms of "establishing" themselves ala BEGGARS-EXILE and then another mini-era with SG-TY.

Some fans wish for another EOMS quality album. That hasn't happened and never will happen, same in regard to any other great or loved album - those happened, they never will again.

The Rolling Stones have only had one album, LET IT BLEED, equaled or possibly bettered, with STICKY FINGERS, both of which provided tracks for EXILE - they were locked in on their zeitgeist, which they were most likely unaware of - I doubt any of them sat around saying "We are creating our most defining work ever".

Artists, in whatever capacity, are always creating their finest or defining work of the moment when they're doing it, it just isn't always their "greatest" or "great" work in comparison to previous or, for some, later efforts. It's, as Mick basically said, now.

Reading the timeline involving what became HACKNEY DIAMONDS is, at times, frustrating considering they could've just gotten their shit together, yet revealing in regard to laziness and, eventually, sudden change, eventually leading to it has to be "great".

Given their timeline, I think HD is actually great, considering the quality, overall, of the songs on the album, combined with the fact that they actually got something accomplished - even though they know, deep down, they don't need to - they could just keep churning out basically the same set lists year after year, as they have for the past 12 years, and not bother being creative new work artists.

Are they proving age doesn't matter? Maybe for them but in general? No. Bob Dylan and Willie Nelson have already established that. Where it can matter is, Are you gonna DO something.

Hopefully the HD tour continues and they perform some other songs from the album in 2025 before they

1. go back to a NO FILTER kind of nostalgia set list util - see 3
2. a new album is released and they play 2-4 songs from it
3. retire

[timeisonourside.com]

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Its all very well listing the relatively large number of different venues in London, the band will want to avoid clashing with other big acts performing at the same time. Oasis and Coldplay will attract reasonably significant numbers of punters who might otherwise go to see The Stones.

Oasis are the really big counter attraction given the fact it will be their reunion apprearance. Of course dyed-in-the-wool Stones fans will go to see them regardless of any counter attractions. But the money-people in the Stones business operation will want to maximise attendance to the greatest degree they can. And that means getting as many casual fans to buy tickets as possible.

There is a huge amount of choice available to music fans in the UK each summer. The Stones cannot simply take it for granted they will pull a huge audience regardless. They will need to schedule cleverly. Assuming, of course, that health, personal circumstances, and the tyranny of the ageing process do not intrude upon things before next year comes along...

A bit passive aggressive of you there mate! Crossed wires but I was simply listing stadiums that could cater for such a big event. Not to demonise your point about cash and fans but slow down buddy, it’s just a gas gas gas

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In regard to a new Stones album in 2025 and what Mick and Keith have said... if you look back at how they were in 2016-2020, they were vague. Their 'oh didn't know it's been so long' bit, Mick finishing songs from the Living In A Ghost Town sessions (which arguably shows that they were close to having an album completed), and then the usual inconsistencies of 'We've got 7 or 8 tracks' how many times? What, the same 7 or 8? That's weak - to Don Was saying that about 40 songs have been recorded, and then Charlie dying, they did new material with Jordan, it's a new Stones era now, and on and on and on.

They were only commenting on their inability to finish anything because they were admittedly lazy.

And then tossing Was and getting Watt, listening to apparently 100 something songs, mostly finished tracks and some demos, and started completely over, Watt said up to five takes per song and move on, and finished it.

It gives credence to what's been pointed out about artists getting older and 1-5 reasons why their creative period ceased, excluding Mick's statement in 1972, at least in terms of "establishing" themselves ala BEGGARS-EXILE and then another mini-era with SG-TY.

Some fans wish for another EOMS quality album. That hasn't happened and never will happen, same in regard to any other great or loved album - those happened, they never will again.

The Rolling Stones have only had one album, LET IT BLEED, equaled or possibly bettered, with STICKY FINGERS, both of which provided tracks for EXILE - they were locked in on their zeitgeist, which they were most likely unaware of - I doubt any of them sat around saying "We are creating our most defining work ever".

Artists, in whatever capacity, are always creating their finest or defining work of the moment when they're doing it, it just isn't always their "greatest" or "great" work in comparison to previous or, for some, later efforts. It's, as Mick basically said, now.

Reading the timeline involving what became HACKNEY DIAMONDS is, at times, frustrating considering they could've just gotten their shit together, yet revealing in regard to laziness and, eventually, sudden change, eventually leading to it has to be "great".

Given their timeline, I think HD is actually great, considering the quality, overall, of the songs on the album, combined with the fact that they actually got something accomplished - even though they know, deep down, they don't need to - they could just keep churning out basically the same set lists year after year, as they have for the past 12 years, and not bother being creative new work artists.

Are they proving age doesn't matter? Maybe for them but in general? No. Bob Dylan and Willie Nelson have already established that. Where it can matter is, Are you gonna DO something.

Hopefully the HD tour continues and they perform some other songs from the album in 2025 before they

1. go back to a NO FILTER kind of nostalgia set list util - see 3
2. a new album is released and they play 2-4 songs from it
3. retire

[timeisonourside.com]

I pick number 2, and not just for selfish reasons. Number 3 will never happen, it'll end when they are medically unable. Number 1 they've done to death, at some point must get boring, which leads to number 2, which is the most plausible give they we're 75% complete the "next" album a year ago.

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In regard to a new Stones album in 2025 and what Mick and Keith have said... if you look back at how they were in 2016-2020, they were vague. Their 'oh didn't know it's been so long' bit, Mick finishing songs from the Living In A Ghost Town sessions (which arguably shows that they were close to having an album completed), and then the usual inconsistencies of 'We've got 7 or 8 tracks' how many times? What, the same 7 or 8? That's weak - to Don Was saying that about 40 songs have been recorded, and then Charlie dying, they did new material with Jordan, it's a new Stones era now, and on and on and on.

They were only commenting on their inability to finish anything because they were admittedly lazy.

And then tossing Was and getting Watt, listening to apparently 100 something songs, mostly finished tracks and some demos, and started completely over, Watt said up to five takes per song and move on, and finished it.

It gives credence to what's been pointed out about artists getting older and 1-5 reasons why their creative period ceased, excluding Mick's statement in 1972, at least in terms of "establishing" themselves ala BEGGARS-EXILE and then another mini-era with SG-TY.

Some fans wish for another EOMS quality album. That hasn't happened and never will happen, same in regard to any other great or loved album - those happened, they never will again.

The Rolling Stones have only had one album, LET IT BLEED, equaled or possibly bettered, with STICKY FINGERS, both of which provided tracks for EXILE - they were locked in on their zeitgeist, which they were most likely unaware of - I doubt any of them sat around saying "We are creating our most defining work ever".

Artists, in whatever capacity, are always creating their finest or defining work of the moment when they're doing it, it just isn't always their "greatest" or "great" work in comparison to previous or, for some, later efforts. It's, as Mick basically said, now.

Reading the timeline involving what became HACKNEY DIAMONDS is, at times, frustrating considering they could've just gotten their shit together, yet revealing in regard to laziness and, eventually, sudden change, eventually leading to it has to be "great".

Given their timeline, I think HD is actually great, considering the quality, overall, of the songs on the album, combined with the fact that they actually got something accomplished - even though they know, deep down, they don't need to - they could just keep churning out basically the same set lists year after year, as they have for the past 12 years, and not bother being creative new work artists.

Are they proving age doesn't matter? Maybe for them but in general? No. Bob Dylan and Willie Nelson have already established that. Where it can matter is, Are you gonna DO something.

Hopefully the HD tour continues and they perform some other songs from the album in 2025 before they

1. go back to a NO FILTER kind of nostalgia set list util - see 3
2. a new album is released and they play 2-4 songs from it
3. retire

[timeisonourside.com]

I pick number 2, and not just for selfish reasons. Number 3 will never happen, it'll end when they are medically unable. Number 1 they've done to death, at some point must get boring, which leads to number 2, which is the most plausible give they we're 75% complete the "next" album a year ago.

They could do #2 without a new album, and play different songs off HD

The issues described here [www.theguardian.com] will most surely make any European Tour more complicated in many ways. (That goes for all bands, not just The Rolling Stones).

Captain Corella

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The issues described here [www.theguardian.com]

In short: "The UK’s exit from the EU has created significant barriers that have made live music touring more expensive, bureaucratic and confusing for musicians, artists and crew”.

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(That goes for all bands, not just The Rolling Stones)

UK already left the EU customs union and single market in 2021 while the Stones successfully toured EU and UK in 2022.

Maybe the Stones are a special case: Mick lives anywhere in the world, Keith in the US, Ronnie partly in the EU (Barcelona), most members of the touring band are US-citizens, the stage company (Stageco) is from Belgium and the whole Promo-Group (Stones company) is also located in the EU (Netherlands).

The Stones machine has decades of experience dealing with bureaucracy.

...and I suspect that brexit would not figure amongst the biggest hurdles they've had to deal with.

There have been times when half the band should not have been allowed off the plane in half the countries they played in.

Not sure why Brexit would affect the tour. They are not a UK based band.

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Not sure why Brexit would affect the tour. They are not a UK based band.

In the worst case they'll leave UK off like in 1998, 2014 and 2017

There have been no large mainstream tours that have been affected by Brexit.

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Not sure why Brexit would affect the tour. They are not a UK based band.

In the worst case they'll leave UK off like in 1998, 2014 and 2017

In 1998, that was to do with the ‘Super-Tax’ bracket, I think. It was Mick who felt he’d be affected. Some aren’t bothered and will pay, of course. Keith, a U.S. resident, was unaffected.

They’ll never ‘leave the UK off’

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Talking about 2027 for a band whose two leaders are 81 years old (in 3 months for Keith), it's like dreaming!
And in 2030, do you think there'll be a concert in Paris?

Well said! A bit of perspective at last. I read this thread and dates way off into the future are tossed about like confetti. The Stones can tour here in 2025, there in 2026 and somewhere else in 2027. No doubt some are even pushing on into 2028 and even 2029. After all Mick will 'only' be 86 then. Still way off from being 90. The age when we might just consider him retiring.

As for locations, Australia, Asia, South America, Central America, all over North America, back to Europe, ten dates in the UK, etc, etc. Oh yes, and in all the down time they are gonna have, they can, maybe, knock out another new studio album. Or at least piece together the odds and ends lying about after Hackney Diamonds was finalised. And while they are at it, do whatever needs doing to sort out the next anniversary release as well as ready another live album excavated from the vaults.

No I'm not being a spoilsport, or overly negative, or making decisions for the band, or interfering. I'm just keeping my feet on the ground, smelling the coffee and being realistic. Even the truly phenomenal Mick Jagger cannout defy the hands of time forever. And neither can the sadly less robust Keith and Ronnie.

Lets just take things in six month-long steps good people. Not make wild assumptions about 2-3 years ahead. As for another new studio album, yes I know there is supposed to be a mini-stockpile of unused material left over from Hackney Diamonds. Great news of course. But do we not think that whatever is there is maybe not as good as what went into the album? And how much still needs to be added? While I would love another album as much as anyone here, I wonder how much enthusiasm the band themselves have for one? Hackney Diamonds sold poorly in the US where there seems to be little or no wider appetite for new Stones material. It sold much better here in the UK and in Europe. But the sales were still small in comparison to 20-30 years ago. On the other hand Forty Licks has been selling slowly but steadily for over a year now. Proof, as if we needed it, that it is the good old warhorses that the punters get excited about.

Indeed. There’s a sense of complete unreality around here sometimes.

While I’m thankful that a version of the band is still active in 2024, I’m also acutely aware that we are in the late evening of their career. It could all end very suddenly and unexpectedly. No one goes on forever.

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There’s a sense of complete unreality around here sometimes.

Ringo is 84 years old and still on tour. Paul McCartney will be 83 years old in 2025 and probably still active. Other artists were still active in their 80s. Seen in this light, it seems not completely unrealistic for the Stones.

On 6-Sep-2023, outside the Hackney Empire Theatre, a journalist asked Keith: "How long will you be doing this?" And Keith replied: "As long as we can".



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Some people have claimed forever that they are too old. Been hearing that for 20+ years. Cmon, get creative and find a new problem...

I remember in 2012/2013 people claimed that their 50th anniversary shows would be the last opportunity to see them. Lol. Now we're here in 2024 and talking about shows in 2025. It wouldn't suprise me at all to see the Stones still rolling in their 90s. Of course bad things can happen and therefore you should see them while you can. But also with the Stones lots of "unrealistic" things are totally possible as they have shown us over the last years and decades

If this lot tour until they're 101 , it'll still be unexpected and a shock when it ends

Treat every day like a gift...

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There have been no large mainstream tours that have been affected by Brexit.

To our eyes.

"There are a lot of supply-chain problems," Mick said. "A lot of shortages, a lot of problems because of Brexit.

..."from personal experience and talking to friends who are in other businesses, it's not a success, it's a nightmare."

..the Society of Musicians warned of many tours being “unviable” for artists post-Brexit.

Their survey revealed 42 per cent of artists would consider quitting the UK in order to rescue their careers.

[www.express.co.uk]

Obviously all the bands/artists that have toured in the UK since have made it work. No idea if the 42% came true, etc. Maybe things improved?

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London is a big city and the Stones are a big draw. What's more when the Stones play London people come from all over the world. London always has multiple stadium touring bands visit each and every year. Of course the Stones can sell out 2 nights or more in a London stadium next year or any other year for that matter.

Exactly. If they play London, I wanna come over and see them on the home turf.

By the way, I got inside info a few weeks ago that they're coming back to Prague (my home turf, for a change) and playing the Letnany Airport just like back in 2018.

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London is a big city and the Stones are a big draw. What's more when the Stones play London people come from all over the world. London always has multiple stadium touring bands visit each and every year. Of course the Stones can sell out 2 nights or more in a London stadium next year or any other year for that matter.

Exactly. If they play London, I wanna come over and see them on the home turf.

By the way, I got inside info a few weeks ago that they're coming back to Prague (my home turf, for a change) and playing the Letnany Airport just like back in 2018.

Prague is a beautiful city. I am going back in a couple of years. I was at that show and in the pit on Keiths side. The worst overcrowding of any of the 60 plus shows I have been to. The pit was literally body to body on that side. It was almost a dangerous situation. So bad I left early. Then you had to walk all the way around the GA in the back to exit to the other side.