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MartinB
I thought this thread was about Keith in 2022?

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Lady Jayne

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Lady Jayne
Some of this debate is ridiculous. I was at the UK shows and Mick was in good voice, very energetic and looked as if he was enjoying himself. Since then he's had Covid and I am astonished, given the extreme weather conditions at the time of the Lyons show, that they could perform at all. But to say he can't cope with the workload of a tour on the basis of cutting a song from the set list and some voice adjustments at a couple of shows is bizarre. Mick is and always has been the most professional of the Stones, and, frankly, much as I love Keith and Ronnie, it is Mick that keeps this show on the road and has done for decades. He's in his eightieth year - anything could happen and it can't go on forever, but instead of seeing doom and gloom with every missed note or set list gripe, I wish we could forgo the dismal predictions and enjoy them for what they are.

Well you are saying Mick is above criticism, we wouldn't have anything to say if we just said well they are old so we can't say anything other than praise upon praise. This place would drop off with virtually no posters if that were the case, we are passionate about all aspects of this band and the Stones are still in the game, still charging top dollar.

Most of us discussing are full on Stones nerds, we pick up on everything, if i was going to talk about professionalism and the limits that you can go to and giving it all for your paying customers it's worthy of a mention my experience with The Who, i've seen them a bunch of times. One time Pete did his windmill and put the tremolo bar through his right hand and he ran off stage not to return and the band played the last few songs without him.

Another time Roger lost his voice at Wembley and walked off stage not to return with a few songs left to sing and Pete took to the mic stand and sang them for him instead.

That was amazing i thought, i couldn't believe my eyes, it was an instant decision and they finished the gigs. Just saying that you don't necessarily have to drop songs when you don't feel 100%.

That's not what I'm saying at all. No one is above criticism and performers are going to get good, bad and indifferent reviews throughout their career. But it's one thing to say Mick's vocals weren't up to standard on any given night, in Germany or wherever or you are disappointed that a set list contained 18 and not 19 numbers, but quite another to catastrophise on the basis of inevitable fluctuations in vocal strength (or Keith having a little sit down half way through 2 hours) and say the Stones aren't up to stadium tours any more. That's patently nonsense. There have been some brilliant shows on this tour, not simply good for their ages, but really excellent, exemplified by great professional reviews in the media and from very experienced fans on here. At Liverpool and particularly in Hyde Park and saw and heard youngsters who were seeing them for the first time and were blown away.
Your Who illustrations are interesting but I'm not sure if you really believe its an option for an understudy to fill in for Mick on vocals and that would cause less disatisfaction with the paying public than hearing one less song (the majority of the crowd probably had no idea). I can't picture Keith taking over the vocals on Gimme Shelter to fill in for Mick, for a variety of reasons. He hasn't got the voice, he probably doesn't know the words, he can barely sing secondary chorus and play at the same time, he's not a front-man and never has been.

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Keith singing Gimme Shelter in the 90's was better and more authentic than any version with Mick since 2012 at least. Steve's drumming was much cooler back then also when he didn't play like he was afraid of stepping on someone's toes.

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AntoineParis
This topic smells the end of tour. No sense. Classical

See you in London july 2023, if everything's ok for US

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Well, it’s not always the case I have to say.

At HP2, he was off, more or less, for instance.

And he also disappeared for a while during miss you

Exactly. I pointed it out on the HP2 thread.

He disappears for Miss You at mainly every show! In Paris he was backstage until the "walking central park" part. It's a rest for him! he deserves it!

Even so, I felt his non-existence during MY at HP2 exceptionally long.

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RaiseTheKnife
Keith singing Gimme Shelter in the 90's was better and more authentic than any version with Mick since 2012 at least. Steve's drumming was much cooler back then also when he didn't play like he was afraid of stepping on someone's toes.

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AntoineParis
This topic smells the end of tour. No sense. Classical

See you in London july 2023, if everything's ok for US

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AntoineParis
A gig between hyde park gigs ? Sure

RAH ? Sure no, another place in London

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Lady Jayne
Some of this debate is ridiculous. I was at the UK shows and Mick was in good voice, very energetic and looked as if he was enjoying himself. Since then he's had Covid and I am astonished, given the extreme weather conditions at the time of the Lyons show, that they could perform at all. But to say he can't cope with the workload of a tour on the basis of cutting a song from the set list and some voice adjustments at a couple of shows is bizarre. Mick is and always has been the most professional of the Stones, and, frankly, much as I love Keith and Ronnie, it is Mick that keeps this show on the road and has done for decades. He's in his eightieth year - anything could happen and it can't go on forever, but instead of seeing doom and gloom with every missed note or set list gripe, I wish we could forgo the dismal predictions and enjoy them for what they are.

Well you are saying Mick is above criticism, we wouldn't have anything to say if we just said well they are old so we can't say anything other than praise upon praise. This place would drop off with virtually no posters if that were the case, we are passionate about all aspects of this band and the Stones are still in the game, still charging top dollar.

Most of us discussing are full on Stones nerds, we pick up on everything, if i was going to talk about professionalism and the limits that you can go to and giving it all for your paying customers it's worthy of a mention my experience with The Who, i've seen them a bunch of times. One time Pete did his windmill and put the tremolo bar through his right hand and he ran off stage not to return and the band played the last few songs without him.

Another time Roger lost his voice at Wembley and walked off stage not to return with a few songs left to sing and Pete took to the mic stand and sang them for him instead.

That was amazing i thought, i couldn't believe my eyes, it was an instant decision and they finished the gigs. Just saying that you don't necessarily have to drop songs when you don't feel 100%.

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RisingStone
High school punks, carry the news!
Silly young morons, I want to hear you!

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Lady Jayne
Some of this debate is ridiculous. I was at the UK shows and Mick was in good voice, very energetic and looked as if he was enjoying himself. Since then he's had Covid and I am astonished, given the extreme weather conditions at the time of the Lyons show, that they could perform at all. But to say he can't cope with the workload of a tour on the basis of cutting a song from the set list and some voice adjustments at a couple of shows is bizarre. Mick is and always has been the most professional of the Stones, and, frankly, much as I love Keith and Ronnie, it is Mick that keeps this show on the road and has done for decades. He's in his eightieth year - anything could happen and it can't go on forever, but instead of seeing doom and gloom with every missed note or set list gripe, I wish we could forgo the dismal predictions and enjoy them for what they are.

Well you are saying Mick is above criticism, we wouldn't have anything to say if we just said well they are old so we can't say anything other than praise upon praise. This place would drop off with virtually no posters if that were the case, we are passionate about all aspects of this band and the Stones are still in the game, still charging top dollar.

Most of us discussing are full on Stones nerds, we pick up on everything, if i was going to talk about professionalism and the limits that you can go to and giving it all for your paying customers it's worthy of a mention my experience with The Who, i've seen them a bunch of times. One time Pete did his windmill and put the tremolo bar through his right hand and he ran off stage not to return and the band played the last few songs without him.

Another time Roger lost his voice at Wembley and walked off stage not to return with a few songs left to sing and Pete took to the mic stand and sang them for him instead.

That was amazing i thought, i couldn't believe my eyes, it was an instant decision and they finished the gigs. Just saying that you don't necessarily have to drop songs when you don't feel 100%.

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Virgin Priest
I started this topic in praise of Keith.

And then... such a meandering thread. Analyzing their level of performance. What a foolish discussion!!

The Stones are almost 80. Still performing with amazing quality and energy.

We should be glad, to have them still around. Period.

Have a nice day and best wishes from Cologne!

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When i watch this With Babi Floyd and Sarah Dash on backing vocals it comes home to me why the Wino's were so good, the song slowly builds to a crescendo of passion and power, i think this is how the song was intended to be delivered live when KEITH WROTE IT, it kind of gets showbiz cheesy and lost when Mick and Sasha perform it, it deviates from the guitars where it should shine, i'm not even sure a solo spot on GS works properly when you compare it to how Keith worked it when he sang it, it's pure genius.

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When i watch this With Babi Floyd and Sarah Dash on backing vocals it comes home to me why the Wino's were so good, the song slowly builds to a crescendo of passion and power, i think this is how the song was intended to be delivered live when KEITH WROTE IT, it kind of gets showbiz cheesy and lost when Mick and Sasha perform it, it deviates from the guitars where it should shine, i'm not even sure a solo spot on GS works properly when you compare it to how Keith worked it when he sang it, it's pure genius.

It is an interesting alternative interpretation and you are right I was surprised to watch it, so thanks to you and ProfessorWolf and RaiseTheKnife for the clips.

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Virgin Priest
I started this topic in praise of Keith.

And then... such a meandering thread. Analyzing their level of performance. What a foolish discussion!!

The Stones are almost 80. Still performing with amazing quality and energy.

We should be glad, to have them still around. Period.

Have a nice day and best wishes from Cologne!

Priest

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RaiseTheKnife
Keith singing Gimme Shelter in the 90's was better and more authentic than any version with Mick since 2012 at least. Steve's drumming was much cooler back then also when he didn't play like he was afraid of stepping on someone's toes.

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ProfessorWolf

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keefriffhards

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Lady Jayne
Some of this debate is ridiculous. I was at the UK shows and Mick was in good voice, very energetic and looked as if he was enjoying himself. Since then he's had Covid and I am astonished, given the extreme weather conditions at the time of the Lyons show, that they could perform at all. But to say he can't cope with the workload of a tour on the basis of cutting a song from the set list and some voice adjustments at a couple of shows is bizarre. Mick is and always has been the most professional of the Stones, and, frankly, much as I love Keith and Ronnie, it is Mick that keeps this show on the road and has done for decades. He's in his eightieth year - anything could happen and it can't go on forever, but instead of seeing doom and gloom with every missed note or set list gripe, I wish we could forgo the dismal predictions and enjoy them for what they are.

Well you are saying Mick is above criticism, we wouldn't have anything to say if we just said well they are old so we can't say anything other than praise upon praise. This place would drop off with virtually no posters if that were the case, we are passionate about all aspects of this band and the Stones are still in the game, still charging top dollar.

Most of us discussing are full on Stones nerds, we pick up on everything, if i was going to talk about professionalism and the limits that you can go to and giving it all for your paying customers it's worthy of a mention my experience with The Who, i've seen them a bunch of times. One time Pete did his windmill and put the tremolo bar through his right hand and he ran off stage not to return and the band played the last few songs without him.

Another time Roger lost his voice at Wembley and walked off stage not to return with a few songs left to sing and Pete took to the mic stand and sang them for him instead.

That was amazing i thought, i couldn't believe my eyes, it was an instant decision and they finished the gigs. Just saying that you don't necessarily have to drop songs when you don't feel 100%.

are you talking about the incident at the tacoma dome in 89





and then rodger finished the show with hey joe and born on the bayou









my mom was at this show and remembers this well

i've wonder what the stones would have done if keith broke his hand or something in the middle of a show in 89