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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
As i suspected this will turn into a lets kick Keith in the teeth thread for the haters.
You obviously haven't been watching Keith very closely this tour, he really is playing and moving very well, of course we can't expect Keith to play Sympathy like back in 89' 90, ' just as Mick can't perform like he did 33 years ago, it's impossible, but in the last two shows Keith has really done well on Sympathy plus he's holding the band together, driving the band and helping Ronnie along too.
I love how sympathetic Ronnie and Keith have always been towards each others playing, i actually think Keith has helped Ronnie to get back to a good standard this tour, you see him coaxing Ronnie along, i've really enjoyed this tour and i think the shows have been to a higher standard and possibly that's down to Keith.
Can I agree with both comments?
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Only at the Amsterdam show Keith wasn’t Keith.
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Only at the Amsterdam show Keith wasn’t Keith.
I've seen his CYHMK there so who was he then?
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Only at the Amsterdam show Keith wasn’t Keith.
I've seen his CYHMK there so who was he then?
His playing was not bad, but he didn’t do any walks at the catwalk in Amsterdam. No interactions with the audience. For almost the whole show he stood next to Jordan. It looks like he was not feeling well. It just struck me that he was physically different from other shows.
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Only at the Amsterdam show Keith wasn’t Keith.
I've seen his CYHMK there so who was he then?
His playing was not bad, but he didn’t do any walks at the catwalk in Amsterdam. No interactions with the audience. For almost the whole show he stood next to Jordan. It looks like he was not feeling well. It just struck me that he was physically different from other shows.
It was said that Keith was sick the morning of the Amsterdam show ? and that the gig was almost cancelled.
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
Great to read something objective!
When I read best show ever on that tour... Let's be serious! Keith is not the same since ABB tour and his accident!
It's still great to see them live, and we're lucky fans to have chosen that band!
I saw them in 1995 for the first time and until 2006-2007, i saw them 22 times and each time I took my dose of riffs and solos by keef! It was magic!
Mick is the master of the game now!
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
Great to read something objective!
When I read best show ever on that tour... Let's be serious! Keith is not the same since ABB tour and his accident!
It's still great to see them live, and we're lucky fans to have chosen that band!
I saw them in 1995 for the first time and until 2006-2007, i saw them 22 times and each time I took my dose of riffs and solos by keef! It was magic!
Mick is the master of the game now!
Mick has very much been struggling this tour, Ronnie too, could have been receiving Immunotherapy treatment for all we know.
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
Great to read something objective!
When I read best show ever on that tour... Let's be serious! Keith is not the same since ABB tour and his accident!
It's still great to see them live, and we're lucky fans to have chosen that band!
I saw them in 1995 for the first time and until 2006-2007, i saw them 22 times and each time I took my dose of riffs and solos by keef! It was magic!
Mick is the master of the game now!
Mick has very much been struggling this tour, Ronnie too, could have been receiving Immunotherapy treatment for all we know.
huh
i mean maybe in lyon but come on
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Huh??? Mick has been struggling this tour????
Based on the posts here, other than Lyon and maybe last night, most everyone has said he is doing really well.
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
Great to read something objective!
When I read best show ever on that tour... Let's be serious! Keith is not the same since ABB tour and his accident!
It's still great to see them live, and we're lucky fans to have chosen that band!
I saw them in 1995 for the first time and until 2006-2007, i saw them 22 times and each time I took my dose of riffs and solos by keef! It was magic!
Mick is the master of the game now!
Mick has very much been struggling this tour, Ronnie too, could have been receiving Immunotherapy treatment for all we know.
huh
i mean maybe in lyon but come on
Seriously WTF is he talking about....
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
Great to read something objective!
When I read best show ever on that tour... Let's be serious! Keith is not the same since ABB tour and his accident!
It's still great to see them live, and we're lucky fans to have chosen that band!
I saw them in 1995 for the first time and until 2006-2007, i saw them 22 times and each time I took my dose of riffs and solos by keef! It was magic!
Mick is the master of the game now!
Mick has very much been struggling this tour, Ronnie too, could have been receiving Immunotherapy treatment for all we know.
huh
i mean maybe in lyon but come on
Seriously WTF is he talking about....
Why protest so strongly when only today you yourself said you thought Mick hasn't recovered from covid.
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness.
Great to read something objective!
When I read best show ever on that tour... Let's be serious! Keith is not the same since ABB tour and his accident!
It's still great to see them live, and we're lucky fans to have chosen that band!
I saw them in 1995 for the first time and until 2006-2007, i saw them 22 times and each time I took my dose of riffs and solos by keef! It was magic!
Mick is the master of the game now!
Mick has very much been struggling this tour, Ronnie too, could have been receiving Immunotherapy treatment for all we know.
huh
i mean maybe in lyon but come on
Seriously WTF is he talking about....
Why protest so strongly when only today you yourself said you thought Mick hasn't recovered from covid.
You said "Mick has very much been struggling this tour" insinuating every show.
You also claim Ronnie is a weak link in the same breath.
Don't be an idiot.
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looking now at some clips, was Mick alright last night? he looks very tired on some
Yes. I noticed it straight away.
He seemed tired, but made his way through the show like the pro he is.
He moved and danced much less than previous shows. But less doesn’t mean worse. His talking to the audience felt obliged… normally he seems to enjoy that.
It feels like he miscalculated his energy for the tour and has run a little bit out of steam. Pretty sure that’s why we got 18 songs yesterday.
Still… the man is a pro and that’s what he/we can always rely on.
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Mick didn't catch Covid until after liverpool, and was 100% fine until then. He bounced back and was great until Lyon. He then bounced back in Paris at 100%, but then ran out of steam in Gelsenkirchen.
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looking now at some clips, was Mick alright last night? he looks very tired on some
Yes. I noticed it straight away.
He seemed tired, but made his way through the show like the pro he is.
He moved and danced much less than previous shows. But less doesn’t mean worse. His talking to the audience felt obliged… normally he seems to enjoy that.
It feels like he miscalculated his energy for the tour and has run a little bit out of steam. Pretty sure that’s why we got 18 songs yesterday.
Still… the man is a pro and that’s what he/we can always rely on.
I wasn't just blowing hot air like you seem to always be doing.
And now you're speculating on Ronnie's recovery as a reason for him being weak:
"Ronnie too, could have been receiving Immunotherapy treatment for all we know".
Are you a Doctor?
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Mick didn't catch Covid until after liverpool, and was 100% fine until then. He bounced back and was great until Lyon. He then bounced back in Paris at 100%, but then ran out of steam in Gelsenkirchen.
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looking now at some clips, was Mick alright last night? he looks very tired on some
Yes. I noticed it straight away.
He seemed tired, but made his way through the show like the pro he is.
He moved and danced much less than previous shows. But less doesn’t mean worse. His talking to the audience felt obliged… normally he seems to enjoy that.
It feels like he miscalculated his energy for the tour and has run a little bit out of steam. Pretty sure that’s why we got 18 songs yesterday.
Still… the man is a pro and that’s what he/we can always rely on.
I wasn't just blowing hot air like you seem to always be doing.
And now you're speculating on Ronnie's recovery as a reason for him being weak:
"Ronnie too, could have been receiving Immunotherapy treatment for all we know".
Are you a Doctor?
I have a close friend who has had sclc so i know what might be going on, most would agree Ronnie has been weak ( although i'm happy to say he's been much better the last two shows ) and most would agree Mick appears to be running out of steam and has lost a step or two this tour, your words not mine.
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...most would agree Mick appears to be running out of steam and has lost a step or two this tour, your words not mine.
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guitarbastard
lets be honest: all keith adds to the liveshows nowadays is his persona, his charisma and that is very important of course. but when people say keith is playing great or better than ever - well thats just not true. he even makes terrible mistakes on songs he played a million times. he struggles to keep the rhythm and the leads like on sympathy are just awefull to listen to. but then again he is keith richards and when he playes those jumpping jack flash chords or any other riff its still one the best things to witness..
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EasterMan
I think Mick has been struggling this tour, not so much in terms of giving a bad performance, but it definitely has been a challenge for him to perform these shows.
He probably lost his voice before the cancelled Amsterdam show, and during soundcheck he realised it was impossible to put on a great show and had to cancel last minute. (Maybe he also had covid).
In Lyon he was struggling towards the end of the show but managed to recover until Paris.