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dcba
Rule 101 :
never release something that puts your band in an unfavorable light.
In that respect CS BLUES will remain in vault limbo forever.
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dcba
Rule 101 :
never release something that puts your band in an unfavorable light.
In that respect CS BLUES will remain in vault limbo forever.
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jbwelda
You don't think they let the film be made because they were afraid of being shown in an unfavorable light, do you?
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Erik_Snow
The only scenes worth re-watching, for me, in CS blues, is the concert footage. Even thhough they're not that professionally filmed, it's terrific, like when Jagger comes jumping out of that tongue in Los Angeles, when they launch into Brown Sugar.
It's a bit like Dylan's Renaldo & Clara; some terrific scenes, but 80% of it is a drag getting though.
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Erik_Snow
The only scenes worth re-watching, for me, in CS blues, is the concert footage. Even thhough they're not that professionally filmed, it's terrific, like when Jagger comes jumping out of that tongue in Los Angeles, when they launch into Brown Sugar.
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dcba
Rule 101 :
never release something that puts your band in an unfavorable light.
In that respect CS BLUES will remain in vault limbo forever.
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Eleanor Rigby
All Down The Line is my best moment...that music snippet is incredible...if only...
The rest is extremely boring
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Eleanor Rigby
All Down The Line is my best moment...that music snippet is incredible...if only...
The rest is extremely boring
Yes, that snippet, it could had been the whole movie, I'd still go to the cinema just for that 1 minute
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Erik_Snow
I meant a cinema-screening that lasted for 1 minute, Eleanor !
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jbwelda
The Rolling Stones have made a career out of releasing stuff that put them "in an unfavorable light". It's what they do, or at least what they did.
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jbwelda
You don't think they let the film be made because they were afraid of being shown in an unfavorable light, do you?
jb
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Erik_Snow
No problem, but bring a funnel, it's gonna be a rush
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dcba
CS BLUES was perceived as a gigantic breach of trust by the band. First it was delivered with a long delay (3 years) which was enough to be considered as non-pro behaviour by Frank from the band.
econd it showed Keith injecting heroin which was more than a "no-no".
Third it included staged material like the airplane orgy.
Can you imagine Jagger's disappointment and wrath? Around 71 he saw "The Americans" he liked the book very much.
In 72 he hired Frank who was perceived as the equivalent of Jack Kerouak with a camera. And 3 years later (!) all that Kerouak could come up with was gutter journalism. Geraldo Rivera on 16mm film stock.
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Taylor1
The weird thing about the All Down the Line snippet is that it was filmed behind Charley.There are no camera angles like that in the crappy Ladies and Gentlemen.So I guess Frank’s people filmed it.I wonder if Bill Wyman has any complete co certain from the tot.
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jbwelda
The thing is, they participated in the staged parts and they let cameras roll when they were being indiscrete with the drugs. I do not think they viewed it as a breach of trust at all, it was what was to be expected, and I think they changed their collective minds (as if there were such a thing) when faced with drug charges and the movie showed them in an unfavorable light, something they previously traded on. They were "bad boys" until the consequences of that became too real and then they nixed the movie in a move to sanitize their past.
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jbwelda
The thing is, they participated in the staged parts and they let cameras roll when they were being indiscrete with the drugs. I do not think they viewed it as a breach of trust at all, it was what was to be expected, and I think they changed their collective minds (as if there were such a thing) when faced with drug charges and the movie showed them in an unfavorable light, something they previously traded on. They were "bad boys" until the consequences of that became too real and then they nixed the movie in a move to sanitize their past.
jb
The film was finalized in 75 just around the time Mick had a hard time getting a working visa for Keith for the upcoming tour. And Frank was about to present hard evidence that the guitarist was a junkie.
Can you imagine the red light flashing in Mick's head?
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dcba
CS BLUES was perceived as a gigantic breach of trust by the band. First it was delivered with a long delay (3 years) which was enough to be considered as non-pro behaviour by Frank from the band.
econd it showed Keith injecting heroin which was more than a "no-no".
Third it included staged material like the airplane orgy.
Can you imagine Jagger's disappointment and wrath? Around 71 he saw "The Americans" he liked the book very much.
In 72 he hired Frank who was perceived as the equivalent of Jack Kerouak with a camera. And 3 years later (!) all that Kerouak could come up with was gutter journalism. Geraldo Rivera on 16mm film stock.
The thing is, they participated in the staged parts and they let cameras roll when they were being indiscrete with the drugs. I do not think they viewed it as a breach of trust at all, it was what was to be expected, and I think they changed their collective minds (as if there were such a thing) when faced with drug charges and the movie showed them in an unfavorable light, something they previously traded on. They were "bad boys" until the consequences of that became too real and then they nixed the movie in a move to sanitize their past.
I think what you are saying is historical revision. Where did you get these ideas anyhow, any specific book or magazine article you can cite?
For jagger to claim disappointment is kind of like what they imply by the phrase "I think you doth protest too much", I think it was Shakespere who wrote that.
Personally I don't think they should have ever played Midnite Rambler after Altamont, that should have been enough of a wake up call that they would worry about their karma coming back to them with violent content and all that satanic stuff. That only happened years later and only in selective ways as you point out.
Release of the CS Blues movie would not have tarnished their rep anymore than it had been by their very blatant actions ever since the days of ALO management and the attendant publicity machine.
jb