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stonesman87
Is the Rio documentary in the Japanese deluxe edition the same as the 26:10 one on the Copa DVD in The Biggest Bang?
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stonesman87
Is the Rio documentary in the Japanese deluxe edition the same as the 26:10 one on the Copa DVD in The Biggest Bang?
According to atsu-y from Hot Stuff Japan, the new version is longer than 2007, it runs 50m:11s and the size is 3.35 GB.
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My ears are FINE and the mix is fine too. The sound is fine, the mastering is fine and the all round quality of the audio is - yes you guessed it - fine.
It sounds totally muffled and if I take a look at the frequency spectrum it confirms it: There's not much above 10k. With Voodoo Lounge Uncut it's the same. Every other recent release is fine from a technical stand point (if people find the guitars to quiet that's more about taste) but it's a FACT that on these two the high frequencies are cut off - you can see it with any frequency spectrum analyzer.
If you don't hear that it probably means a lot of the high frequencies are not audible for you anymore. No reason to bash the people who hear it.
When I buy an album I listen to the MUSIC mate. I don't analyse the sound through a frequency spectrum doo-dah thingy. Good God with this kind of audiophile fanaticism I'm glad I don't play music any longer. I can just see a room full of people analysing the audio quality with a lot of hand held kit. Not that I'm any good musically, but at least it was the musical content people used to come to hear, not obsess about the sound spectrum readings.
And by the way, when I say my ears are fine, that is based on medical evidence. My work requires me to have a hearing test every year. I might be getting on age-wise but the old hearing is still 100%. Oh yes, I still say the sound on this album is fine. Not the greatest album The Stones have ever released, but that is down to the same-old, same-old set list. Apart from a couple of tracks we have all heard them a hundred (million?) times before....
Now that I think of it, maybe that is why some many people are so interested in analysing the sound quality? If there was a decent amount of previously unplayed, or only rarely played, material in the set list more people might actually focus on the music and forget about analysing the sound spectrum...
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stonesman87
Is the Rio documentary in the Japanese deluxe edition the same as the 26:10 one on the Copa DVD in The Biggest Bang?
According to atsu-y from Hot Stuff Japan, the new version is longer than 2007, it runs 50m:11s and the size is 3.35 GB.
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stonesman87
Is the Rio documentary in the Japanese deluxe edition the same as the 26:10 one on the Copa DVD in The Biggest Bang?
According to atsu-y from Hot Stuff Japan, the new version is longer than 2007, it runs 50m:11s and the size is 3.35 GB.
That's very interesting to know. Thanks for confirming that.
Well, normally you would expect the 2021 version to have optimized picture and sound. Both not the case. Sound is much worse.Quote
24FPS
Who would buy this? For four 'bonus' songs? Because you can't find The Biggest Bang used for cheap?
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StonedRamblerWell, normally you would expect the 2021 version to have optimized picture and sound. Both not the case. Sound is much worse.Quote
24FPS
Who would buy this? For four 'bonus' songs? Because you can't find The Biggest Bang used for cheap?
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GerardHennessy
My ears are FINE and the mix is fine too. The sound is fine, the mastering is fine and the all round quality of the audio is - yes you guessed it - fine.
It sounds totally muffled and if I take a look at the frequency spectrum it confirms it: There's not much above 10k. With Voodoo Lounge Uncut it's the same. Every other recent release is fine from a technical stand point (if people find the guitars to quiet that's more about taste) but it's a FACT that on these two the high frequencies are cut off - you can see it with any frequency spectrum analyzer.
If you don't hear that it probably means a lot of the high frequencies are not audible for you anymore. No reason to bash the people who hear it.
When I buy an album I listen to the MUSIC mate. I don't analyse the sound through a frequency spectrum doo-dah thingy. Good God with this kind of audiophile fanaticism I'm glad I don't play music any longer. I can just see a room full of people analysing the audio quality with a lot of hand held kit. Not that I'm any good musically, but at least it was the musical content people used to come to hear, not obsess about the sound spectrum readings.
And by the way, when I say my ears are fine, that is based on medical evidence. My work requires me to have a hearing test every year. I might be getting on age-wise but the old hearing is still 100%. Oh yes, I still say the sound on this album is fine. Not the greatest album The Stones have ever released, but that is down to the same-old, same-old set list. Apart from a couple of tracks we have all heard them a hundred (million?) times before....
Now that I think of it, maybe that is why some many people are so interested in analysing the sound quality? If there was a decent amount of previously unplayed, or only rarely played, material in the set list more people might actually focus on the music and forget about analysing the sound spectrum...
I’m with you. I use MY frequency spectrum thingy,,, my EARS.
But gee, this does sound a bit off. The beginning of Rain Fall Down…god are they off key, off tempo and…just off! A mess!! Night Time is the Right Time. Awful. Happy, wrong key too, surely, when it comes in. Something amiss. Start me up and Brown Sugar,too, both just sound wrong. I don’t know. I think the Bigger Bang DVD sounds a WHOLE HEAP better than the this. It’s woeful.
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Who would buy this? For four 'bonus' songs? Because you can't find The Biggest Bang used for cheap?
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24FPS
Who would buy this? For four 'bonus' songs? Because you can't find The Biggest Bang used for cheap?
Depends on what you're buying...the deluxe set includes Salt Lake City
show,which is good and got much better sound...
You may say completists are buying this release...
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My ears are FINE and the mix is fine too. The sound is fine, the mastering is fine and the all round quality of the audio is - yes you guessed it - fine.
It sounds totally muffled and if I take a look at the frequency spectrum it confirms it: There's not much above 10k. With Voodoo Lounge Uncut it's the same. Every other recent release is fine from a technical stand point (if people find the guitars to quiet that's more about taste) but it's a FACT that on these two the high frequencies are cut off - you can see it with any frequency spectrum analyzer.
If you don't hear that it probably means a lot of the high frequencies are not audible for you anymore. No reason to bash the people who hear it.
When I buy an album I listen to the MUSIC mate. I don't analyse the sound through a frequency spectrum doo-dah thingy. Good God with this kind of audiophile fanaticism I'm glad I don't play music any longer. I can just see a room full of people analysing the audio quality with a lot of hand held kit. Not that I'm any good musically, but at least it was the musical content people used to come to hear, not obsess about the sound spectrum readings.
And by the way, when I say my ears are fine, that is based on medical evidence. My work requires me to have a hearing test every year. I might be getting on age-wise but the old hearing is still 100%. Oh yes, I still say the sound on this album is fine. Not the greatest album The Stones have ever released, but that is down to the same-old, same-old set list. Apart from a couple of tracks we have all heard them a hundred (million?) times before....
Now that I think of it, maybe that is why some many people are so interested in analysing the sound quality? If there was a decent amount of previously unplayed, or only rarely played, material in the set list more people might actually focus on the music and forget about analysing the sound spectrum...
I’m with you. I use MY frequency spectrum thingy,,, my EARS.
But gee, this does sound a bit off. The beginning of Rain Fall Down…god are they off key, off tempo and…just off! A mess!! Night Time is the Right Time. Awful. Happy, wrong key too, surely, when it comes in. Something amiss. Start me up and Brown Sugar,too, both just sound wrong. I don’t know. I think the Bigger Bang DVD sounds a WHOLE HEAP better than the this. It’s woeful.
Happy is in proper key. Entirely.
Rain Fall Down isn't bad except for the one droning note that Keith apparently keeps playing.
Night Time is fine.
Can't find anything wrong with Brown Sugar or Start Me Up other than it's the post-LICKS Rolling Stones playing it. I'm not a fan of this tour but it seems that we're not hearing anything similar in regard to this show, which is quite confusing.
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24FPS
Who would buy this? For four 'bonus' songs? Because you can't find The Biggest Bang used for cheap?
Depends on what you're buying...the deluxe set includes Salt Lake City
show,which is good and got much better sound...
You may say completists are buying this release...
No, it is not. Concert from Rio contains a lot of something that can be called 'stereo surround'. In places it sounds almost like fake stereo with echo, delay between channels and similar effects. Some people find this rather disturbing.Quote
BOBM
Not sure what some of you are listing to but the sound of the audio CDs of the Rio show is fantastically good. It is way better than the audio tracks of either of the shows on DVD, although those are fine too.
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StonedRambler
As already mentioned, the main problem with the sound is that the high frequency content above 10k is mostly cut off.
Therefore if the record sounds okay to you or not may depend on your hearing. If you still hear a lot above 10k it will certainly bother you, if you don't you can't notice it of course. The same is the case with VL Uncut. I'm concined that there was a technical issue somewhere in the mixing or mastering chain that has to do with sampling rate. It really sounds like at one point it was downsampled to a sample rate below 44.1Khz. Which cuts of all the high frequencies above half of the sampling rate. Its most obvious on Micks vocals since Mick's voice contains a lot of overtones and on the cymbals and high percussion elements.
I'm sure the actual mix isn't that bad and kind of similar to Salt Lake if it didn't have that technical problem.
So - if you don't here it for the reasons above - please accept that the problem exists. Thanks.
Saying it isn't there only because you don't hear it is like getting a low resolution blue ray and stating it has "excellent picture quality" only because your eyes aren't good anymore to see the pixels.
I understand this is a highly personal topic and nobody likes to admit to themselves that they can't hear a lot of high frequencies anymore.
Now, if you find the guitars to quiet or the keyboards too loud that is more a matter of taste and while I also agree with that it has nothing to do with the technical problem on this release.
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StonedRambler
As already mentioned, the main problem with the sound is that the high frequency content above 10k is mostly cut off.
Therefore if the record sounds okay to you or not may depend on your hearing. If you still hear a lot above 10k it will certainly bother you, if you don't you can't notice it of course. The same is the case with VL Uncut. I'm concined that there was a technical issue somewhere in the mixing or mastering chain that has to do with sampling rate. It really sounds like at one point it was downsampled to a sample rate below 44.1Khz. Which cuts of all the high frequencies above half of the sampling rate. Its most obvious on Micks vocals since Mick's voice contains a lot of overtones and on the cymbals and high percussion elements.
I'm sure the actual mix isn't that bad and kind of similar to Salt Lake if it didn't have that technical problem.
So - if you don't here it for the reasons above - please accept that the problem exists. Thanks.
Saying it isn't there only because you don't hear it is like getting a low resolution blue ray and stating it has "excellent picture quality" only because your eyes aren't good anymore to see the pixels.
I understand this is a highly personal topic and nobody likes to admit to themselves that they can't hear a lot of high frequencies anymore.
Now, if you find the guitars to quiet or the keyboards too loud that is more a matter of taste and while I also agree with that it has nothing to do with the technical problem on this release.
I don't hear all the imperfections you hear because I don't sit right in front of the speakers with some sort of technical device measuring all kinds of stuff. I actually listen to the music mate. I'm not listening out for some imperfection. And its a LIVE event. Of course it has imperfections.
You are making all kinds of subjective - not to mention impertinent - statements about the hearing and eyesight of a whole lot of people you have never even met. There is a kind of fascism in statements like 'your eyes are not good anymore to see the pixels' as well as 'no one likes to admit to themselves that they can't hear a lot of high frequencies anymore' That's incredibly intrusive, subjective, judgemental and condescending.
Stop trying to establish some kind of international standard for being allowed to listen to live concert recordings by The Stones. Otherwise I can see something like the following stickered on all future live releases. 'Not for sale to anyone whose ears cannot hear a sufficient number of high frequencies...'
Now I'm gonna go back and play my CD again before the Listening Police come round and take it away because my hearing may not meet the new international standard...
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StonedRambler
As already mentioned, the main problem with the sound is that the high frequency content above 10k is mostly cut off.
Therefore if the record sounds okay to you or not may depend on your hearing. If you still hear a lot above 10k it will certainly bother you, if you don't you can't notice it of course. The same is the case with VL Uncut. I'm concined that there was a technical issue somewhere in the mixing or mastering chain that has to do with sampling rate. It really sounds like at one point it was downsampled to a sample rate below 44.1Khz. Which cuts of all the high frequencies above half of the sampling rate. Its most obvious on Micks vocals since Mick's voice contains a lot of overtones and on the cymbals and high percussion elements.
I'm sure the actual mix isn't that bad and kind of similar to Salt Lake if it didn't have that technical problem.
So - if you don't here it for the reasons above - please accept that the problem exists. Thanks.
Saying it isn't there only because you don't hear it is like getting a low resolution blue ray and stating it has "excellent picture quality" only because your eyes aren't good anymore to see the pixels.
I understand this is a highly personal topic and nobody likes to admit to themselves that they can't hear a lot of high frequencies anymore.
Now, if you find the guitars to quiet or the keyboards too loud that is more a matter of taste and while I also agree with that it has nothing to do with the technical problem on this release.
I don't hear all the imperfections you hear because I don't sit right in front of the speakers with some sort of technical device measuring all kinds of stuff. I actually listen to the music mate. I'm not listening out for some imperfection. And its a LIVE event. Of course it has imperfections.
You are making all kinds of subjective - not to mention impertinent - statements about the hearing and eyesight of a whole lot of people you have never even met. There is a kind of fascism in statements like 'your eyes are not good anymore to see the pixels' as well as 'no one likes to admit to themselves that they can't hear a lot of high frequencies anymore' That's incredibly intrusive, subjective, judgemental and condescending.
Stop trying to establish some kind of international standard for being allowed to listen to live concert recordings by The Stones. Otherwise I can see something like the following stickered on all future live releases. 'Not for sale to anyone whose ears cannot hear a sufficient number of high frequencies...'
Now I'm gonna go back and play my CD again before the Listening Police come round and take it away because my hearing may not meet the new international standard...
The problem lies in the high frequencies above 10k and is not subtle at all, everyone who still hears much above 10k will hear it and be bothered by it. It's really so obvious that it's even audible on smartphone speakers - IF you can still hear the frequency range. If you can't then it might all seem fine - and to you it is - but to others it isn't.Quote
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Love it mate! These pompous muso bores are a dime a dozen here. Every single release fails to meet one of the idiot’s arbitrary expectations. They’re so far up their own audiophile backsides, they forgot about the music. Can you imagine being married to one of them as constantly grump and fuss about their speakers?
The music plays second fiddle to waffling about obscure technicalities no one cares about.
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StonedRamblerThe problem lies in the high frequencies above 10k and is not subtle at all, everyone who still hears much above 10k will hear it and be bothered by it. It's really so obvious that it's even audible on smartphone speakers - IF you can still hear the frequency range. If you can't then it might all seem fine - and to you it is - but to others it isn't.Quote
Father Ted
Love it mate! These pompous muso bores are a dime a dozen here. Every single release fails to meet one of the idiot’s arbitrary expectations. They’re so far up their own audiophile backsides, they forgot about the music. Can you imagine being married to one of them as constantly grump and fuss about their speakers?
The music plays second fiddle to waffling about obscure technicalities no one cares about.
Ask any young person in their 20s about the mix and they will tell you that the whole treble is cut off.
The frequency spectrum analyzer is the only way to show to people who don't hear that high anymore that the problem exists.. All the guys still hear that high won't need the spectrum analyzer, they just hear it.
I can totally imagine that the mix is totally fine up until 10k and if you cannot hear much above and so enjoy the mix and product, good for you.
It's like stating that dog whistles or bats don't make a sound just because it's out of your audible range.