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daspyknows
^ There is an idiot Covid denier on another site I am on who views the above picture as showing the US is flattening the curve and winning. Not sure I see that.
Things are bad in the US and in about 3 weeks it will be far worse as millions are traveling for Thanksgiving despite the warnings. I know many smart people who are traveling and justifying it in various ways. Unfortunately, some (many?) will regret their decision.
With vaccines coming soon there is no need to take the extra risk IMHO.
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kovach
Adding to the mask debate even more (not to take sides, as I'm still pro-mask, but interesting reading):
Masks in lab vs. community
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daspyknows
Wearing a mask to save lives is like wearing a seatbelt in a car or a helmet while riding a motorcycle. When the laws were implemented people complained about personal liberty. Examples of the science didn't matter to some. Once there were penalties, the adherence to the rules changed and now only a small subset complains and fights it. These people also are some refusing to wear masks. Common thread in this is stupidity and lack of self preservation.
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Hairball
I could be reading it wrong, but I don't think that article is saying the vaccine will start exclusively in Washington.
It's from a Washington based news source, so it's just stating the vaccines will start there next month, among other states.
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yorkshirestone
I work nationally for the NHS in England - the scale of the vaccination plans here is staggering, looking to have 120,000 vaccinators recruited or redeployed and ready to vaccinate in early 2021.
Also interesting the cost of these things. Pfizer and Moderna about 20gbp per dose, Oxford/Zeneca is 3gbp.
England wise NHS is obviously free at the point of access but thought worth sharing the Oxford one is ‘not for profit’
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Hairball
I could be reading it wrong, but I don't think that article is saying the vaccine will start exclusively in Washington.
It's from a Washington based news source, so it's just stating the vaccines will start there next month, among other states.
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Chris Fountain
Recovered infected Doctor says from experience that Covid-19 wants you to stop breathing!
Source: [www.msn.com]
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Hairball
I could be reading it wrong, but I don't think that article is saying the vaccine will start exclusively in Washington.
It's from a Washington based news source, so it's just stating the vaccines will start there next month, among other states.
Ah. I hear all this stuff on the radio and it's gotten so diluted - oh it will be by the end of the year, oh the third week of December, oh it will be first responders in January, it won't be until March... but I haven't heard anything about where, so maybe that's why I read it that way, apparently nobody really knows yet and there's nothing but speculation with all kinds of possibilities, maybe just to take up air time and have it sound busy to get spirits up? I suppose that's realistic to figure.
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Green Lady
Various UK musicians (not Stones, so far) have donated guitars and memorabilia to an auction to help roadies and other staff thrown out if work by Covid restrictions:
[www.theguardian.com]
We all learned yesterday which English areas will be in which tier of restrictions for (probably) the rest of the winter, once the month's "firebreak" lockdown is over on 2nd December. Although the steep rise in cases is slowing down a bit, most places are still in the higher tiers, with a very few exceptions for remote or isolated areas.
The government has decided to allow a five day break to allow up to three households to get together for Christmas ( which is the big time for families to get together here, as we don't do Thanksgiving). Expect a big spike in infections three weeks down the line...
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georgie48
I checked the current status of the USA (330 million) (325 million) with that of the five biggest West European countries (around about the same number of people in total).
The USA (wordometers) 270 thousand deaths, EU-5 225 thousand deaths (wordometers). The difference is mostly because Germany is doing relatively very well in comparison with the U.K. (1), Italy (2), France (3) and Spain (4). So basically it's disaster on both sides of the Atlantic.
Latin America is in a dreadful state as well with Brazil and Mexico way on top (together 280 thousands deaths on a total of 340 million people).
Asia (Japan, S-Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaisia, Filipines and Indonesia (around 640 million people or around twice as many as the above cases) have had a total of ..... 30 thousand casualties.
Facemasks, discipline, genes? Whatever, the difference with Europe and the Americas is shocking!
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georgie48
I checked the current status of the USA (330 million) (325 million) with that of the five biggest West European countries (around about the same number of people in total).
The USA (wordometers) 270 thousand deaths, EU-5 225 thousand deaths (wordometers). The difference is mostly because Germany is doing relatively very well in comparison with the U.K. (1), Italy (2), France (3) and Spain (4). So basically it's disaster on both sides of the Atlantic.
Latin America is in a dreadful state as well with Brazil and Mexico way on top (together 280 thousands deaths on a total of 340 million people).
Asia (Japan, S-Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaisia, Filipines and Indonesia (around 640 million people or around twice as many as the above cases) have had a total of ..... 30 thousand casualties.
Facemasks, discipline, genes? Whatever, the difference with Europe and the Americas is shocking!
Not genetics as Asian people dying like other races over here in the US. Masks, precautions and a lower percentage of stupid people crying about their liberty to be stupid. Death rates lower in Australia and New Zealand too.
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georgie48
I checked the current status of the USA (330 million) (325 million) with that of the five biggest West European countries (around about the same number of people in total).
The USA (wordometers) 270 thousand deaths, EU-5 225 thousand deaths (wordometers). The difference is mostly because Germany is doing relatively very well in comparison with the U.K. (1), Italy (2), France (3) and Spain (4). So basically it's disaster on both sides of the Atlantic.
Latin America is in a dreadful state as well with Brazil and Mexico way on top (together 280 thousands deaths on a total of 340 million people).
Asia (Japan, S-Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaisia, Filipines and Indonesia (around 640 million people or around twice as many as the above cases) have had a total of ..... 30 thousand casualties.
Facemasks, discipline, genes? Whatever, the difference with Europe and the Americas is shocking!
Not genetics as Asian people dying like other races over here in the US. Masks, precautions and a lower percentage of stupid people crying about their liberty to be stupid. Death rates lower in Australia and New Zealand too.
I'm with you there all the way. In the past two decades I visited different Asian countries many time (during SARS in 2003 I was even in Beijing). The "western" individualism is the basis for lots of stupid thinking and acting indeed. It's tough to live in the middle of it ...