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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bonddm ()
Date: May 19, 2020 13:21

We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!

The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2020-05-19 13:29 by bonddm.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 19, 2020 14:01

Political campaigns and statements from presidents, prime ministers and political leaders will be deleted. They are usually posted for a political purpose. We do not want politics here.

Bjornulf



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-05-19 14:17 by bv.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 19, 2020 14:08

Quote
artedm
video
Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread
Sports fans are longing to return to the stands, but health experts say stadiums are one of the highest-risk areas for coronavirus transmission. Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist, walks us through how easily the virus could spread among the crowd

Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread (Wall Street Journal)

This is an excellent video explaining exactly how the virus spread through drops, droplets and aerosol particles. This is not just valid for stadium events, but also for any other indoor or outdoor activity.

I would advice anyone to spend the eight minutes it takes to watch the video.

Replace the stadium with a family or friends or work setting, lasting for more than 15 minutes, with several people being close, talking, laughing, doing high five, or touching shared items.

This is how the virus spread. Take care!

Bjornulf

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: May 19, 2020 14:26

Respectfully, did you even read it?

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: CaptainCorella ()
Date: May 19, 2020 15:14

Quote
bonddm
We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!

The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!

There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.

In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.

We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.

Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.

In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.

Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.

The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).

That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!

(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)

--
Captain Corella
50+ Years a Fan

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bonddm ()
Date: May 19, 2020 15:30

Quote
CaptainCorella
Quote
bonddm
We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!

The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!

There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.

In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.

We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.

Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.

In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.

Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.

The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).

That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!

(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)

I’ve mainly having a crack for the media for constantly running with a “second wave” in winter, despite the start of it being less than 2 weeks away! If that was going to be the case, shouldn’t you already be seeing signs of it in colder areas, rather than the complete opposite?! Canberra also has 0 active cases.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2020-05-19 15:36 by bonddm.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 19, 2020 15:58

Quote
Kurt
Respectfully, did you even read it?

You posted links to tweets by Donald Trump. Sure I read everything posted, whenever I moderate. Why do you ask?

I do not want to discuss the IORR posting policy here. Feel free to e-mail me if you have questions. Also, the IORR policy is posted on all forum pages, see the "Help and policies" link on top of the forum pages.

My e-mail address is all over iorr. If you do not understand the IORR policy, then feel free to ask me by e-mail. You know there is a policy of no political posts here. Why don't you respect the policy?

Bjornulf



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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: May 19, 2020 16:33

Quote
bv
Quote
artedm
video
Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread
Sports fans are longing to return to the stands, but health experts say stadiums are one of the highest-risk areas for coronavirus transmission. Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist, walks us through how easily the virus could spread among the crowd

Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread (Wall Street Journal)

This is an excellent video explaining exactly how the virus spread through drops, droplets and aerosol particles. This is not just valid for stadium events, but also for any other indoor or outdoor activity.

I would advice anyone to spend the eight minutes it takes to watch the video.

Replace the stadium with a family or friends or work setting, lasting for more than 15 minutes, with several people being close, talking, laughing, doing high five, or touching shared items.

This is how the virus spread. Take care!

Good video to watch. Easy to think about staying distanced from others with separated seats etc., but handrails, bathrooms and concession visits make contact with the virus impossible to avoid. Some form of quick or instant testing seems like a potential solution if we are to have large gatherings again pre-vaccine.

The comparison to 9-11 is good in terms of the changes coming our way..
Heard someone refer to this as our 3-11 in how like 9-11 much different our new abnormal has been and will be.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-05-19 16:35 by MisterDDDD.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: May 19, 2020 16:53

Over 100 million in Lockdown in North East China due to second wave-

[www.msn.com]

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: May 19, 2020 17:10

This pic of a Qatar Airways attendant is how I would want to be suited up if I had to fly in the near future.
Even then, not so sure though..
______________________________________________________________________

Qatar Airways cabin crew to wear hazmat suits

CNN) — Flight attendant uniforms have evolved considerably over the years, with styles adapting to reflect fashion trends, along with the changing world.
However, it's unlikely any designer could have predicted its latest incarnation.
Qatar Airways is one of several airlines to introduce Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) suits for its cabin crew in light of the coronavirus pandemic.
From now onwards, all flight attendants for Qatar's flag carrier will wear a hazmat suit over their uniforms, along with safety goggles, gloves and a mask during flights.
[edition.cnn.com]


Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: May 19, 2020 17:41

Quote
bv
Quote
Kurt
Respectfully, did you even read it?

You posted links to tweets by Donald Trump. Sure I read everything posted, whenever I moderate. Why do you ask?

I do not want to discuss the IORR posting policy here. Feel free to e-mail me if you have questions. Also, the IORR policy is posted on all forum pages, see the "Help and policies" link on top of the forum pages.

My e-mail address is all over iorr. If you do not understand the IORR policy, then feel free to ask me by e-mail. You know there is a policy of no political posts here. Why don't you respect the policy?


I did not post links to tweets.

I posted links to a letter written from the President of The United States ...

I asked the question because I do understand your policy and I respect it.
I do not respect automatic censorship of opposing views.

I will email you next time.



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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 19, 2020 18:02

Quote
Kurt
Quote
bv
Quote
Kurt
Respectfully, did you even read it?

You posted links to tweets by Donald Trump. Sure I read everything posted, whenever I moderate. Why do you ask?

I do not want to discuss the IORR posting policy here. Feel free to e-mail me if you have questions. Also, the IORR policy is posted on all forum pages, see the "Help and policies" link on top of the forum pages.

My e-mail address is all over iorr. If you do not understand the IORR policy, then feel free to ask me by e-mail. You know there is a policy of no political posts here. Why don't you respect the policy?


I did not post links to tweets.

I posted links to a letter written from the President of The United States ...

I asked the question because I do understand your policy and I respect it.
I do not respect automatic censorship of opposing views.

I will email you next time.

Donald Trump is the US president. Just like Putin, Xi, Kim, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau, Bolsonaro and all other presidents, prime ministers and so on, whether they are the political leaders of Russia, China, North Korea, Germany, France, Canada, Brazil or any other country, they are all political leaders. There is a CLEAR AND SIMPLE rule on IORR saying you can not post politics on IORR. Simple as that. Even if you do love Trump, may be half of USA do love him, then the other half does not share that love. So I don't want those political discussions here. I say this almost every single day now.

It does not matter if you find a copy of political tweets on another site, it is still the very same tweet, and the very same political statement. They are not allowed here, I just have to say that again and again and again and again.

Mind you, there are so many political tweets and messages out there, just Trump alone is flooding the net with many many tweets every day. I don't want politics here on IORR.

Trump sets record for most tweets in a single day since he took office (USA Today Jan 23, 2020)

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump reached a milestone Wednesday, posting the most tweets and retweets from his Twitter account in a single day since taking office, according to a site that monitors the president's online presence.

Trump shattered his record of 123 Twitter posts in a day – which was set Dec. 12 as the House Judiciary Committee debated two articles of impeachment against him – with 142 tweets and retweets, according to data compiled by Factbas.se.

Bjornulf



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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: stickyfingers101 ()
Date: May 19, 2020 18:04

Quote
Kurt
At this point, we should focus on what actually went wrong from the very beginning...

mixed messages....at least that's how I saw the problem in the US:

"it's not a big threat"...."oh wait...it is"

"don't ban travel"...."oh wait....ban travel"

"masks don't work"...."masks make it worse"....."oh wait, masks work"

"only "essential" businesses are open....but we get to define what that is in the most willy-nilly nonsensical fashion possible...liquor stores are essential, but the dentist is closed"

It's still going on:

"wear your mask...even though I'm not wearing one as I speak to you....and neither do any of the "on the street-beat" newscasters as they talk about the mandatory-mask ordinance"

"Houses of Worship can open...but, not barbers and hair-salons" (at least in Phase One in my state).



the "masks don't work" was the biggest mistake of them all.....IMO

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 19, 2020 18:12

Norway issue travel ban until August 20.

The travel ban has been in place since the lockdown. This week the travel ban was extended until August 20. All charter travel companies in Norway have now canceled trips from Norway to any locations across the world until Aug 20. As per now, no tourists from outside Norway will be allowed into the country. There will, however, be looked into travels from within the Nordic countries by June 15.

Norway have had just one - 1 - new covid-19 death during the past six days. The average number of covid-19 cases is now down to 10-20 new cases per day.

Norske charterselskaper innstiller alle reiser til og med 20. august
Charterselskapene Ving, Tui og Apollo har innstilt alle reiser etter nye reiseråd.
(E24.no 19. mai 2020)

Bjornulf

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: May 19, 2020 18:35

Quote
bonddm
Quote
CaptainCorella
Quote
bonddm
We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!

The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!

There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.

In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.

We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.

Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.

In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.

Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.

The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).

That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!

(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)

I’ve mainly having a crack for the media for constantly running with a “second wave” in winter, despite the start of it being less than 2 weeks away! If that was going to be the case, shouldn’t you already be seeing signs of it in colder areas, rather than the complete opposite?! Canberra also has 0 active cases.

All it takes is one infected person to start the spread. That there are no cases means you should be saying we have been successful rather than we have overreacted IMHO

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 19, 2020 18:47

If you are upset with the corona virus status in your own country, then you should start looking at what your leaders did back in Jan, Feb, Mar this year. For three months, all 200+ countries across the world had the very same information.

Then these 200+ countries all had different ways of dealing with this information. In Norway, where I live, we do now have zero deaths per day and 15 or so new cases per day. We are just done with two months of lockdown, and three weeks of opening up, all very controlled by science and data. I would not dream about complaining about our government and our heath authorities messing it up. They had the very same information everybody else had back in Jan/Feb, and they acted upon it.

Same with many other countries. Taiwan. South Korea. China. Singapore. Japan. Germany. Denmark. Finland. Greece. Argentina. New Zealand. Australia. And many others. Just check the numbers. Sort by population. Follow the data. Please end the blame game trying to blame others, when in fact the responsibility for the corona virus state in any country is the responsibility of the leaders, the leadership in the country, and nobody else.

[www.worldometers.info]

Bjornulf

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: May 19, 2020 18:49

With certain places reopening, a big factor in avoiding infection that I haven't paid that much attention to as its not been very necessary, is time spent in places.
Putting it higher on my list of things to be conscious of along with masks, gloves, etc.
_________________________________________________________________________________

Coronavirus infection isn't just about hygiene and distance. It's about time, too.
By now, you've likely heard the main pieces of advice to avoid the coronavirus.

Wear a mask. Wash your hands with soap. Stay at least 6 feet from others. If you do gather with others, go outside rather than inside.

Still, there's one more aspect to infection that has received less attention. Growing evidence suggests that Covid-19 infection, like with other illnesses, is related to prolonged time exposed to the virus. The longer you stay in an environment that may contain the virus, the higher the risk of getting sick.

Dr. Erin Bromage, a comparative immunologist and professor of biology at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, summed it up with a short and sweet equation:
"Successful Infection = Exposure to Virus x Time."
[www.msn.com]

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Nate ()
Date: May 19, 2020 19:12

Quote
MisterDDDD
This pic of a Qatar Airways attendant is how I would want to be suited up if I had to fly in the near future.
Even then, not so sure though..
______________________________________________________________________

Qatar Airways cabin crew to wear hazmat suits

CNN) — Flight attendant uniforms have evolved considerably over the years, with styles adapting to reflect fashion trends, along with the changing world.
However, it's unlikely any designer could have predicted its latest incarnation.
Qatar Airways is one of several airlines to introduce Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) suits for its cabin crew in light of the coronavirus pandemic.
From now onwards, all flight attendants for Qatar's flag carrier will wear a hazmat suit over their uniforms, along with safety goggles, gloves and a mask during flights.
[edition.cnn.com]


Good luck wearing that on a ten hour flight.

Nate

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: May 19, 2020 19:24

Please keep in mind that comparing Norway to USA is comparing apples to oranges. We cannot isolate ourselves such as islandic type countries (yes, I know Sweden is next to Norway) but there are no immigration issues between the two countries.

Not new information, but we have more or less open borders and have more issues in securing our borders to keep out travelers or illegal immigrants that may be hosting COVID-19. Gov't will not approve funding to provide border security equal to Norway

This is an underreported problem - but Mexico and Latin America all the way to South America have spikes in virus cases.

I am married to a Peruvian but even folks that came here legally, are not happy with influx of immigrants that may be entering the U.S. spreading the disease even further. No offense.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bonddm ()
Date: May 19, 2020 19:24

Quote
daspyknows
Quote
bonddm
Quote
CaptainCorella
Quote
bonddm
We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!

The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!

There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.

In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.

We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.

Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.

In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.

Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.

The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).

That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!

(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)

I’ve mainly having a crack for the media for constantly running with a “second wave” in winter, despite the start of it being less than 2 weeks away! If that was going to be the case, shouldn’t you already be seeing signs of it in colder areas, rather than the complete opposite?! Canberra also has 0 active cases.

All it takes is one infected person to start the spread. That there are no cases means you should be saying we have been successful rather than we have overreacted IMHO

Please alert me to where I said we overreacted?! I am having a crack at the media for constantly publishing stories about “a second wave in winter” containing about as much evidence as there is for the existence of Bigfoot!

Am I just supposed to take as gospel articles by our media that don’t even provide a skerrick of evidence to back them up, despite the fact nearly all cooler locales here have 0 active cases, a whopping 10 days away from winter?! They are unnecessarily panicking people with 100% unsubstantiated stories.

By the way, I voted for our current state government in the last election and every election before that, so don’t bother trying to put a political spin on my comments!



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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: May 19, 2020 19:31

Quote
Nate

Good luck wearing that on a ten hour flight.

Nate

Yup. My first thought as well.
Won't be taking any, but would consider for a two hour flight cool smiley

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: May 19, 2020 20:03

Some stink about carbon emissions being the lowest in decades (and of course clean water in Venice) - all temporary. It will quickly go back to being polluted. Humanity will go back to the very same ways before COVID-19.

Pathetic.

Waiting for the resurgence - mainly because of United States American arrogance combined with willful ignorance and idiotic flag waving "liberty" defiance.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 19, 2020 20:19

Quote
Chris Fountain
Please keep in mind that comparing Norway to USA is comparing apples to oranges. We cannot isolate ourselves such as islandic type countries (yes, I know Sweden is next to Norway) but there are no immigration issues between the two countries.

Not new information, but we have more or less open borders and have more issues in securing our borders to keep out travelers or illegal immigrants that may be hosting COVID-19. Gov't will not approve funding to provide border security equal to Norway

This is an underreported problem - but Mexico and Latin America all the way to South America have spikes in virus cases.

I am married to a Peruvian but even folks that came here legally, are not happy with influx of immigrants that may be entering the U.S. spreading the disease even further. No offense.

I don't think we are able to discuss who is bad and who is good at managing the corona crisis here. Large countries like India, China, Nigeria have populations similar to USA or larger. Germany is a large country. All of these have different approaches, but few blame others. Everybody had, and still have, the same information, since January.

As for Norway, we have a very long border, which in distance is equal to the distance from Oslo in the north of Europe, to Italy in the south of Europe. We have a very large border with Sweden, Finland, Russia, UK, Iceland, Denmark, including a coastline of the same size.

Fact is the virus did not hop on a bus from Mexico or Honduras. It went by hundreds and thousands of airplanes, right into the big cities like NYC, Chicago, Boston, Seattle, LA, London, Madrid, Oslo, Stockholm and so on. It came from any city in the world like Bergamo or Milan Italy, Madrid Spain, does not matter. People fly, and immigration did not check anyone any place until mid March many places.

In Norway we had in place testing, tracing and quarantine orders in late February. It is lots of hard work, but it saved us a lot of deaths and money. Any other country could do the very same thing. Test, trace, isolate. Same thing we have to do now. No magic, just hard work.

Bjornulf

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Rokyfan ()
Date: May 19, 2020 20:26

Quote
bv
If you are upset with the corona virus status in your own country, then you should start looking at what your leaders did back in Jan, Feb, Mar this year. For three months, all 200+ countries across the world had the very same information.

Then these 200+ countries all had different ways of dealing with this information. In Norway, where I live, we do now have zero deaths per day and 15 or so new cases per day. We are just done with two months of lockdown, and three weeks of opening up, all very controlled by science and data. I would not dream about complaining about our government and our heath authorities messing it up. They had the very same information everybody else had back in Jan/Feb, and they acted upon it.

Same with many other countries. Taiwan. South Korea. China. Singapore. Japan. Germany. Denmark. Finland. Greece. Argentina. New Zealand. Australia. And many others. Just check the numbers. Sort by population. Follow the data. Please end the blame game trying to blame others, when in fact the responsibility for the corona virus state in any country is the responsibility of the leaders, the leadership in the country, and nobody else.

[www.worldometers.info]

You say no politics and then post this blatantly political post. See Chris fountain's response.

You say don't play the blame game, which is your whole point... fixing the blame.

It's your site but it seems like the definition of political is something you don't agree with

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 19, 2020 20:37

Of course the corona crisis is a lot about politics. That does not mean we may discuss politics here. This thread is here for everyone to post about the situation in their own home place, about issues, challenges, ups and downs. Progress, challenges, good and bad things related to the virus.

The virus took away out Stones Tour 2020. That was the original reason for this thread. Then this thread is here now as a service, as long as I have time for it, to allow people from all over the world to talk about the virus and the issues with lockdown.

Bjornulf

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: May 19, 2020 20:47

This article from 2016 (prior to last presidential election) is interesting as well as frustrating.

Reports say we sold most of these PPE supplies (to China) in February.
Not sure how accurate that is, but they sure weren't here and implemented when needed. Our current government issued their first purchase order for these supplies, which we still don't have plenty of, in March.

U.S. sent millions of face masks to China early this year, ignoring pandemic warning signs
[www.washingtonpost.com]
_______________________________________________________________________
Inside A Secret Government Warehouse Prepped For Health Catastrophes
June 27, 2016 4:56 AM ET

"We have the capability, if something bad happens, that we can intervene in a positive way, but then we don't ever want to have to do that. So it's kind of a strange place," says Burel. "But we would be foolish not to prepare for those events that we could predict might happen."
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When Greg Burel tells people he's in charge of some secret government warehouses, he often gets asked if they're like the one at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, where the Ark of the Covenant gets packed away in a crate and hidden forever.

"Well, no, not really," says Burel, director of a program called the Strategic National Stockpile at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Thousands of lives might someday depend on this stockpile, which holds all kinds of medical supplies that the officials would need in the wake of a terrorist attack with a chemical, biological or nuclear weapon.

The location of these warehouses is secret. How many there are is secret. (Although a former government official recently said at a public meeting that there are six.) And exactly what's in them is secret.

"If everybody knows exactly what we have, then you know exactly what you can do to us that we can't fix," says Burel. "And we just don't want that to happen."

What he will reveal is how much the stockpile is worth: "We currently value the inventory at a little over $7 billion."

But some public health specialists worry about how all this would actually be deployed in an emergency.

"The warehouse is fine in terms of the management of stuff in there. What gets in the warehouse and where does it go after the warehouse, and how fast does it go to people, is where we have questions," says Dr. Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University.
[www.npr.org]



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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Nate ()
Date: May 19, 2020 20:54

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Good luck wearing that on a ten hour flight.

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Yup. My first thought as well.
Won't be taking any, but would consider for a two hour flight cool smiley

I think the risk of picking up this virus when flying will be pretty low.Soon you won’t even be permitted to enter the airport if you have a high temperature let alone board a plane.Yes of course someone could have the virus and not be showing symptoms but with all the new safety measures that will be introduced and the fact that modern planes are already fitted with HEPA filters the same air filters that are used in operating theatres that remove 99.97% of impurities I think the risk will be low.
Personally I’m not worried about flying and will do so as soon as borders open again.There has never been a vaccine produced for any Coronavirus so this virus may be here to stay.I completely understand the need to shut things down and not let health systems get overwhelmed but in some places it is now time to seriously start looking at safely opening up again.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: May 19, 2020 21:11

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Please keep in mind that comparing Norway to USA is comparing apples to oranges. We cannot isolate ourselves such as islandic type countries (yes, I know Sweden is next to Norway) but there are no immigration issues between the two countries.

Not new information, but we have more or less open borders and have more issues in securing our borders to keep out travelers or illegal immigrants that may be hosting COVID-19. Gov't will not approve funding to provide border security equal to Norway

This is an underreported problem - but Mexico and Latin America all the way to South America have spikes in virus cases.

I am married to a Peruvian but even folks that came here legally, are not happy with influx of immigrants that may be entering the U.S. spreading the disease even further. No offense.

The Covid19 problem in the US is not a result of travelers from Mexico, a wall would not have kept the virus out. The US and Norway both had cases coming from Europe via air travel.

If anything, Mexico's Covid19 problem came from the US, not vice versa.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: May 19, 2020 21:15

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We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!

The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!

There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.

In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.

We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.

Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.

In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.

Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.

The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).

That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!

(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)

I’ve mainly having a crack for the media for constantly running with a “second wave” in winter, despite the start of it being less than 2 weeks away! If that was going to be the case, shouldn’t you already be seeing signs of it in colder areas, rather than the complete opposite?! Canberra also has 0 active cases.

All it takes is one infected person to start the spread. That there are no cases means you should be saying we have been successful rather than we have overreacted IMHO

Please alert me to where I said we overreacted?! I am having a crack at the media for constantly publishing stories about “a second wave in winter” containing about as much evidence as there is for the existence of Bigfoot!

Am I just supposed to take as gospel articles by our media that don’t even provide a skerrick of evidence to back them up, despite the fact nearly all cooler locales here have 0 active cases, a whopping 10 days away from winter?! They are unnecessarily panicking people with 100% unsubstantiated stories.

By the way, I voted for our current state government in the last election and every election before that, so don’t bother trying to put a political spin on my comments!

Not putting any kind of political spin on it. Success is a policy where there are no cases I would assume. Congrats to your region for being successful. That was my point.

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 status around the world
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: May 19, 2020 21:16

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Some stink about carbon emissions being the lowest in decades (and of course clean water in Venice) - all temporary. It will quickly go back to being polluted. Humanity will go back to the very same ways before COVID-19.

Pathetic.

Waiting for the resurgence - mainly because of United States American arrogance combined with willful ignorance and idiotic flag waving "liberty" defiance.


I agree with this assessment. Seems like greenery is thick and and very nice for a change. Unfortunately, once the engines or roaring over the landscape the ecology benefits will be a shot lived. At least we got to see that glimpse of the world as should be. This is why I live in a rural area -

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