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Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread
Sports fans are longing to return to the stands, but health experts say stadiums are one of the highest-risk areas for coronavirus transmission. Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist, walks us through how easily the virus could spread among the crowd
Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread (Wall Street Journal)
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bonddm
We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!
The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!
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bonddm
We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!
The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!
There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.
In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.
We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.
Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.
In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.
Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.
The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).
That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!
(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)
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Respectfully, did you even read it?
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artedm
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Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread
Sports fans are longing to return to the stands, but health experts say stadiums are one of the highest-risk areas for coronavirus transmission. Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist, walks us through how easily the virus could spread among the crowd
Why Stadiums Are Incubators for Coronavirus Spread (Wall Street Journal)
This is an excellent video explaining exactly how the virus spread through drops, droplets and aerosol particles. This is not just valid for stadium events, but also for any other indoor or outdoor activity.
I would advice anyone to spend the eight minutes it takes to watch the video.
Replace the stadium with a family or friends or work setting, lasting for more than 15 minutes, with several people being close, talking, laughing, doing high five, or touching shared items.
This is how the virus spread. Take care!
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Kurt
Respectfully, did you even read it?
You posted links to tweets by Donald Trump. Sure I read everything posted, whenever I moderate. Why do you ask?
I do not want to discuss the IORR posting policy here. Feel free to e-mail me if you have questions. Also, the IORR policy is posted on all forum pages, see the "Help and policies" link on top of the forum pages.
My e-mail address is all over iorr. If you do not understand the IORR policy, then feel free to ask me by e-mail. You know there is a policy of no political posts here. Why don't you respect the policy?
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Kurt
Respectfully, did you even read it?
You posted links to tweets by Donald Trump. Sure I read everything posted, whenever I moderate. Why do you ask?
I do not want to discuss the IORR posting policy here. Feel free to e-mail me if you have questions. Also, the IORR policy is posted on all forum pages, see the "Help and policies" link on top of the forum pages.
My e-mail address is all over iorr. If you do not understand the IORR policy, then feel free to ask me by e-mail. You know there is a policy of no political posts here. Why don't you respect the policy?
I did not post links to tweets.
I posted links to a letter written from the President of The United States ...
I asked the question because I do understand your policy and I respect it.
I do not respect automatic censorship of opposing views.
I will email you next time.
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Kurt
At this point, we should focus on what actually went wrong from the very beginning...
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We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!
The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!
There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.
In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.
We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.
Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.
In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.
Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.
The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).
That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!
(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)
I’ve mainly having a crack for the media for constantly running with a “second wave” in winter, despite the start of it being less than 2 weeks away! If that was going to be the case, shouldn’t you already be seeing signs of it in colder areas, rather than the complete opposite?! Canberra also has 0 active cases.
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This pic of a Qatar Airways attendant is how I would want to be suited up if I had to fly in the near future.
Even then, not so sure though..
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Qatar Airways cabin crew to wear hazmat suits
CNN) — Flight attendant uniforms have evolved considerably over the years, with styles adapting to reflect fashion trends, along with the changing world.
However, it's unlikely any designer could have predicted its latest incarnation.
Qatar Airways is one of several airlines to introduce Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) suits for its cabin crew in light of the coronavirus pandemic.
From now onwards, all flight attendants for Qatar's flag carrier will wear a hazmat suit over their uniforms, along with safety goggles, gloves and a mask during flights.
[edition.cnn.com]
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bonddm
We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!
The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!
There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.
In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.
We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.
Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.
In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.
Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.
The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).
That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!
(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)
I’ve mainly having a crack for the media for constantly running with a “second wave” in winter, despite the start of it being less than 2 weeks away! If that was going to be the case, shouldn’t you already be seeing signs of it in colder areas, rather than the complete opposite?! Canberra also has 0 active cases.
All it takes is one infected person to start the spread. That there are no cases means you should be saying we have been successful rather than we have overreacted IMHO
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Nate
Good luck wearing that on a ten hour flight.
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Chris Fountain
Please keep in mind that comparing Norway to USA is comparing apples to oranges. We cannot isolate ourselves such as islandic type countries (yes, I know Sweden is next to Norway) but there are no immigration issues between the two countries.
Not new information, but we have more or less open borders and have more issues in securing our borders to keep out travelers or illegal immigrants that may be hosting COVID-19. Gov't will not approve funding to provide border security equal to Norway
This is an underreported problem - but Mexico and Latin America all the way to South America have spikes in virus cases.
I am married to a Peruvian but even folks that came here legally, are not happy with influx of immigrants that may be entering the U.S. spreading the disease even further. No offense.
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If you are upset with the corona virus status in your own country, then you should start looking at what your leaders did back in Jan, Feb, Mar this year. For three months, all 200+ countries across the world had the very same information.
Then these 200+ countries all had different ways of dealing with this information. In Norway, where I live, we do now have zero deaths per day and 15 or so new cases per day. We are just done with two months of lockdown, and three weeks of opening up, all very controlled by science and data. I would not dream about complaining about our government and our heath authorities messing it up. They had the very same information everybody else had back in Jan/Feb, and they acted upon it.
Same with many other countries. Taiwan. South Korea. China. Singapore. Japan. Germany. Denmark. Finland. Greece. Argentina. New Zealand. Australia. And many others. Just check the numbers. Sort by population. Follow the data. Please end the blame game trying to blame others, when in fact the responsibility for the corona virus state in any country is the responsibility of the leaders, the leadership in the country, and nobody else.
[www.worldometers.info]
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Nate
Good luck wearing that on a ten hour flight.
Nate
Yup. My first thought as well.
Won't be taking any, but would consider for a two hour flight
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Please keep in mind that comparing Norway to USA is comparing apples to oranges. We cannot isolate ourselves such as islandic type countries (yes, I know Sweden is next to Norway) but there are no immigration issues between the two countries.
Not new information, but we have more or less open borders and have more issues in securing our borders to keep out travelers or illegal immigrants that may be hosting COVID-19. Gov't will not approve funding to provide border security equal to Norway
This is an underreported problem - but Mexico and Latin America all the way to South America have spikes in virus cases.
I am married to a Peruvian but even folks that came here legally, are not happy with influx of immigrants that may be entering the U.S. spreading the disease even further. No offense.
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bonddm
We currently have a total of 100 deaths in Australia from a population of 25+ million, but our media still insists that the apocalypse is nigh!
The media insist a “second wave“ is coming in the winter. I live in one of the coldest municipalities on the mainland (Surf Coast) and winter is less than 2 weeks away.
We have a population here of 33,000+, but currently have 0 active cases!
The closest city (Geelong) has 0 active cases from a population of nearly 270,000!
There's an old saying along the lines of ... You pay your money and you make your choice. That's what Australia did - thanks to the firm stand taken by two State Premiers from opposing political parties.
In mid-March we were at almost the exact same position at the time as the UK and we had the choice either to clamp down hard on our way of life and hope that we had few deaths, but some hardship on the way. Or we could carry on regardless and expect many tens of thousands of deaths.
We chose to save lives. We can work our way out of recession, but we can't bring back the dead.
Of course that very low death count means that paradoxically to most of us it seems as if it's all been a big fizzer. A huge fuss about nothing. I get that.
In Australia the News today leads with details about the death of the 100th person since the start of the Pandemic- in many countries around the world they tell each day of the deaths of hundreds each day.
Look at the numbers elsewhere in the world. This, John Hopkins University site [www.arcgis.com] is a good place to start.
The UK acted only slightly slower (a matter of days) and only a bit less harshly - and they have had over 30,000 deaths. (That's the entire population of where you tell us you live).
That's why you live somewhere where there's a case count of Zero. Be thankful for that, don't curse it!
(And as for being cold.... up here in the Macedon Ranges we've been close to zero in the mornings - other than today - for the last 4 days. That's cold.)
I’ve mainly having a crack for the media for constantly running with a “second wave” in winter, despite the start of it being less than 2 weeks away! If that was going to be the case, shouldn’t you already be seeing signs of it in colder areas, rather than the complete opposite?! Canberra also has 0 active cases.
All it takes is one infected person to start the spread. That there are no cases means you should be saying we have been successful rather than we have overreacted IMHO
Please alert me to where I said we overreacted?! I am having a crack at the media for constantly publishing stories about “a second wave in winter” containing about as much evidence as there is for the existence of Bigfoot!
Am I just supposed to take as gospel articles by our media that don’t even provide a skerrick of evidence to back them up, despite the fact nearly all cooler locales here have 0 active cases, a whopping 10 days away from winter?! They are unnecessarily panicking people with 100% unsubstantiated stories.
By the way, I voted for our current state government in the last election and every election before that, so don’t bother trying to put a political spin on my comments!
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Some stink about carbon emissions being the lowest in decades (and of course clean water in Venice) - all temporary. It will quickly go back to being polluted. Humanity will go back to the very same ways before COVID-19.
Pathetic.
Waiting for the resurgence - mainly because of United States American arrogance combined with willful ignorance and idiotic flag waving "liberty" defiance.