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grzegorz67
I’m hearing many stories that pretty much every pub from London to Inverness and all points in between were packed out tonight with said pubs selling off all their drinks at a huge discount knowing that it would otherwise go bad and they’ll now be closed for 3-6 months. Utterly selfish madness.
This and the ridiculous panic buying in supermarkets makes me despair of this country. There are long queues outside supermarkets at the crack of dawn of people with trollies ready to charge in and clear the place out. Selfish tossers.
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grzegorz67
I’m hearing many stories that pretty much every pub from London to Inverness and all points in between were packed out tonight with said pubs selling off all their drinks at a huge discount knowing that it would otherwise go bad and they’ll now be closed for 3-6 months. Utterly selfish madness.
This and the ridiculous panic buying in supermarkets makes me despair of this country. There are long queues outside supermarkets at the crack of dawn of people with trollies ready to charge in and clear the place out. Selfish tossers.
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MileHigh
It's not pleasant to think about the levels of psychological stress out there. It will surely be causing a lot of suffering for a lot of people. In most of North America we are not used to that happening on a mass scale. I think the next time I go shopping for food I will wear my mask, gloves, and protective goggles.
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GasLightStreet
Along the Gulf Coast and up the East Coast, basically the hurricane zone, people are saying they're not sure what to do without a cone of uncertainty or a projected path...
Which I find hilarious.
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grzegorz67
I’m hearing many stories that pretty much every pub from London to Inverness and all points in between were packed out tonight with said pubs selling off all their drinks at a huge discount knowing that it would otherwise go bad and they’ll now be closed for 3-6 months. Utterly selfish madness.
This and the ridiculous panic buying in supermarkets makes me despair of this country. There are long queues outside supermarkets at the crack of dawn of people with trollies ready to charge in and clear the place out. Selfish tossers.
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keefriff99
Singapore is basically a police state with fancy malls. They have a compliant citizenry, which isn't possible in a country like America.
I'm not saying that we couldn't be doing MUCH more in America, but it's not a good comparison.
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grzegorz67
I’m hearing many stories that pretty much every pub from London to Inverness and all points in between were packed out tonight with said pubs selling off all their drinks at a huge discount knowing that it would otherwise go bad and they’ll now be closed for 3-6 months. Utterly selfish madness.
This and the ridiculous panic buying in supermarkets makes me despair of this country. There are long queues outside supermarkets at the crack of dawn of people with trollies ready to charge in and clear the place out. Selfish tossers.
The early shopping hour for the elderly in the UK isn't only to prevent them from coming into contact with the virus: it's to give them a chance of buying necessities before the daily hoarders clear the shelves. Most supermarkets are now limiting the number of items that you can buy in one visit. Smaller shops are doing better than supermarkets, but the infuriating thing is that there are no real shortages of food: just the difficulty of restocking fast enough to keep up with the panic buyers.
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Nate
I read this evening that Iran is not being allowed to buy medical supplies due to sanctions imposed.
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keefriff99Heh. You just go on believing that one.Quote
Chris Fountain
I actually think this pandemic has brought people together.
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daspyknows
So far only China, a few neighboring Asian countries, Western Europe and US have gotten attention. One this takes off in Africa it will make ebola look like a diaper rash. Don't forget the Syrian refugee camps, Venezuela, 3rd World mega cities like Manila, Mumbai, Delhi, Calcutta, Dhaka and Lagos. This is going to get really bad really fast.
Maybe I was being too glib, but their style of governance and policing absolutely makes a difference in a situation like this. The populace is more conditioned to follow authority. Is that not part of it?Quote
jlowe
I was in Singapore from 29 Feb to 5 March. I wasnt aware of any medical checks at the Airport in/out), maybe they were happening for some travellers and I wasnt aware. Other than a cancelled fireworks and light show event in Manley Bay life appeard to be going on as normal for tourists and I assumed residents. Certainly not a lockdown situation. However, nobody from China was being allowed into the country (usual visitor rate 10,000 daily). This made the city quieter than expected but as a first time visitor I had no experience to make comparisons.
I have seen on You Tube their Prime Minister address the nation re the virus.Very statesmanlike and it is a pity that neither the US or UK for some time seem to be able to attract people of that calibre to the 'top job '.
Their statistics imply a situation that is far more in control of the pandemic than others and of course things may well have changed since the 5th. They clearly adopted measures from the outset and are continuing to do so and other countries should learn from that. But to describe their Government as 'authoritarian ' and the people 'compliant' is disingenuous to put it mildly. Applied common sense and good planning would be better descriptions.
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grzegorz67
I’m hearing many stories that pretty much every pub from London to Inverness and all points in between were packed out tonight with said pubs selling off all their drinks at a huge discount knowing that it would otherwise go bad and they’ll now be closed for 3-6 months. Utterly selfish madness.
This and the ridiculous panic buying in supermarkets makes me despair of this country. There are long queues outside supermarkets at the crack of dawn of people with trollies ready to charge in and clear the place out. Selfish tossers.
The early shopping hour for the elderly in the UK isn't only to prevent them from coming into contact with the virus: it's to give them a chance of buying necessities before the daily hoarders clear the shelves. Most supermarkets are now limiting the number of items that you can buy in one visit. Smaller shops are doing better than supermarkets, but the infuriating thing is that there are no real shortages of food: just the difficulty of restocking fast enough to keep up with the panic buyers.
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bv
I have been watching several news channels lately, like Norwegian TV stations, of course, but also BBC, CNN, Rai (Italian) etc. This week, and especially today, the news are ONLY from our own country. It is like the entire outside world does not exist.
The main channel NRK had their main news 7pm-8pm, all about Norway coronavirus issues and emergency economy packages, except 5 minutes about German border control, the first Norwegian coronacase in Firenze Italy now free of the virus, and another European news entry. The main commercial channel in Norway TV2 did only have Norway Corona cases, nothing at all from other countries.
Rai News24 is mostly coronacases news, but I get sad from it because the situation is so serious there, so I can't watch much.
CNN and BBC are great news channels, they do also have info from other countries, not just USA and UK.
Sweden might be one of the few "open" countries in Europe, they even have the kindergartens open still.
Boris is now talking about closing down something later on in the week may be.
It is interesting to watch the news from other countries, but it seems they are now concentrating mostly on their own domestic coronavirus news.
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keefriff99
Singapore is basically a police state with fancy malls. They have a compliant citizenry, which isn't possible in a country like America.
I'm not saying that we couldn't be doing MUCH more in America, but it's not a good comparison.
Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong and China are all doing extensive testing, and tracing back every positive person, their moving around, then contacting every person they have been near for quarantine procedures and protection of the rest of their population.
I think that is smart and important actions if you want to contain this virus, or any other diseases. To claim some of these countries might have a different political system vs your own preferences is a total side track at a time when thousands of people are infected and now dead, also in USA, UK, Europe and so on.
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Happy24
How come 68.000 dead people in Italy during four flu seasons (25.000 in one year!) was no global problem and 4.000 dead people by the end of March this year stop the World turning?
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keefriff99Heh. You just go on believing that one.Quote
Chris Fountain
I actually think this pandemic has brought people together.
Wait till there's a real shortage of food : spring is coming, the fields are full of fruits and veggies but there might be a lack of workforce to pick them and pack them.
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bv
It takes approx four - 4 - weeks from lockdown until the number of deaths change, if the lockdown is late, like in Italy.
First lockdown. If the lockdown is 100% like in China, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, then all new tested cases will go to zero within 14 days, or some more time if the area is as large as they were in China, and also for North Italy, a large area.
Then all people who got the virus up to the point of the lockdown, will be sick and in intensive care during the next few weeks.
This is why it does not make sense to look into day-by-day numbers, unless you know all data, all dates, and you are skilled in statistics.
The weekly statistics will be the most accurate way of monitoring how a lockdown is working. I will update my own weekly statistics every Monday, like I did earlier this week.
There is no quick fix for this virus. People who say so are presenting lies, or they do not understand. We will not see any good numbers from Italy, France, Spain, UK, USA until April. The curve will flatten some four weeks after the complete lockdown is in place, if everyone do respect the lockdown.
Yes, and the other advantage of reviewing data weekly is that it cuts down on daily anxiety. We won't see daily shifts in numbers that signal change anyway.
And once again, I owe BV a few beers for bringing sanity to daily life.
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Happy24
How come 68.000 dead people in Italy during four flu seasons (25.000 in one year!) was no global problem and 4.000 dead people by the end of March this year stop the World turning?
This kind of talk infuriates me...Cornovirus is much more contagious than the common flu, mutates more rapidly than the common flu, has a much higher death rate than the common flu and it is an ANIMAL virus. It's the future consequences that has the world in a panic.