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I am a bit disappointed that 2 remixes of Scarlet are on the album
Where? I can't finnd them on my physical 2 CD version.
They should be on disc 2 (track 11 and 12) on the super deluxe 4 disc set. I didn't receive the physical discs yet, but I've seen, that they are downloadable via Amazon, if you bought the 4 disc set. Also available as a complete download set here: [www.qobuz.com]
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GasLightStreet
I am a bit disappointed that 2 remixes of Scarlet are on the album
Where? I can't finnd them on my physical 2 CD version.
They should be on disc 2 (track 11 and 12) on the super deluxe 4 disc set. I didn't receive the physical discs yet, but I've seen, that they are downloadable via Amazon, if you bought the 4 disc set. Also available as a complete download set here: [www.qobuz.com]
I do not see them listed here: [www.bravado.de] Only 10 tracks on CD 2.
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GasLightStreet
I am a bit disappointed that 2 remixes of Scarlet are on the album
Where? I can't finnd them on my physical 2 CD version.
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So would it be fair to say that DR-wise, it sucks? All three, the original release, the bonus tracks, and the Brussels recording? And by "original download", you mean the original download when the official Brussels was first offered? And that came in 9s and 10s, with one 11, on Angie, which makes sense because it goes from very soft sounds to Jagger nearly screaming into the mike.
What are DR specs for the original LP?
jb
Well... It seems that there is better separation between instruments. They are placed on a spesific positions of stereo stage. Their tonality is also adjusted so one do not interfere with the other. So 'horizontally' (in terms of instruments separations) the stereo stage is OK. On the other hand everything is up to the max. You can hear everything almost on the same level. Sometimes bass guitar is transformed into leading instrument, while in the original mix it was buried somewhere. On the other case drums or harp jump into your face or you hear extra vocal lines. The 'depth' of the stage is vanished. One can find all these modifications nice, the other - unnatural.Quote
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The 2020 remix is Goats Head Soup pumped on air to the max. Not sure to hear where's the improvement...
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Saving the best for last, the '100 Years Ago' piano demo gets the recognition of the standout bonus track. Nicky Hopkins plays a stunningly beautiful piano along with Mick's wistful and wonderfully sung vocals.
Doesn't sound like Nicky's playing. Too many plain chords. In fact it's more than one piano. Maybe Billy preston doing chords and Nicky on top? Four hands playing?
You hear more than one piano? Gonna have to take a harder listen to it. Nicky plays on the album version. Could this be Mick on Piano?
i also hear two pianos
I know these are not always very accurate, but the youtube video list mick and Nicky on piano
Many articles the week prior to the release stated Keith playing on one end while Mick was at the other side.
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maumau
really took by surprise by the "alternate" takes here 100YA, DWMD, Heartbreaker and HYL
wow
was expecting some given away backtracks but
DWMD sounds like an haunting outtake from Performance soundtrack
Heartbreaker would have been the perfect choice for a blaxploitation movie 1973
HYL is a 5 minutes long blues joy, almost a different take more than a mix
and then 100YA that in this form seems the real missing link to exile
good job whoever chose the tracks
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I am a bit disappointed that 2 remixes of Scarlet are on the album
Where? I can't finnd them on my physical 2 CD version.
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ironbelly
Guys,drinkuse the word 'dynamics' responsibly.
For this release there is virtually no dynamics. The record is brickwalled.
Old CBS CD has average DR11 with tracks in 10-12 range
Virgin CD has similar values (DR 10-12) but is a tad louder.
2009 remaster (the hated one) is DR6 with tracks in 5-7 range
2013 Japanese flat transfer DR10 (9-11)
2020 new mix DR6 (Silver Train DR4, Star, Star DR5). In places it is worth in terms of dynamics than 2009 remaster.
The fact that some instruments and/or vocals sound louder or can be heard more clear does not necessarily mean the record has better dynamic range. Punch and loudness, or better to say - brickwall is the proper term for this record, but not dynamics.
And unfortunately, it's the same for Brussels Affair :
foobar2000 1.5.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-09-04 17:26:27
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Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Goats Head Soup (2020 Deluxe)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR7 -0.20 dB -8.21 dB 3:56 01-Brown Sugar (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.76 dB 5:33 02-Gimme Shelter (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -7.98 dB 3:14 03-Happy (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.51 dB 5:04 04-Tumbling Dice (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -7.62 dB 4:16 05-Star Star (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.14 dB 4:38 06-Dancing With Mr D (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.10 dB 5:03 07-Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR8 -0.20 dB -10.23 dB 5:15 08-Angie (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.21 dB 11:01 09-You Can't Always Get What You Want (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR6 -0.20 dB -7.80 dB 12:53 10-Midnight Rambler (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR6 -0.20 dB -7.27 dB 3:12 11-Honky Tonk Women (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR6 -0.20 dB -7.12 dB 4:21 12-All Down The Line (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR6 -0.20 dB -7.39 dB 2:25 13-Rip This Joint (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR5 -0.20 dB -6.29 dB 3:27 14-Jumpin' Jack Flash (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR5 -0.20 dB -6.13 dB 5:15 15-Street Fighting Man (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
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Number of tracks: 15
Official DR value: DR6
Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3245 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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What a bummer...
This are the old download files:
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Analyzed folder: E:\RS 1973-10-17 - The Brussels Affair\
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DR Peak RMS Filename
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DR10 -0.17 dB -11.70 dB D1_01_Brown Sugar.wav
DR10 -0.00 dB -11.76 dB D1_02_Gimme Shelter.wav
DR10 over -11.12 dB D1_03_Happy.wav
DR10 over -11.45 dB D1_04_Tumbling Dice.wav
DR10 over -10.34 dB D1_05_Star Star.wav
DR10 over -11.20 dB D1_06_Dancing With Mr D.wav
DR9 over -10.42 dB D1_07_Doo Doo Doo Doo Dooo (Heartbreaker).wav
DR11 -0.00 dB -13.17 dB D1_08_Angie.wav
DR10 over -11.19 dB D1_09_You Cant Always Get What You Want.wav
DR10 over -11.12 dB D1_10_Midnight Rambler.wav
DR9 over -10.18 dB D1_11_Honky Tonk Women.wav
DR9 -0.00 dB -10.22 dB D1_12_All Down The Line.wav
DR9 -0.00 dB -10.24 dB D1_13_Rip This Joint.wav
DR9 over -9.69 dB D1_14_Jumping Jack Flash.wav
DR9 over -9.64 dB D1_15_Street Fighting Man.wav
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Number of files: 15
Official DR value: DR10
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No. Vinyls are not that compressed and loud. There are certain technical limitations that do not allow to put volume at the max as on CDs.Quote
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ironbelly
Guys,drinkuse the word 'dynamics' responsibly.
For this release there is virtually no dynamics. The record is brickwalled.
Old CBS CD has average DR11 with tracks in 10-12 range
Virgin CD has similar values (DR 10-12) but is a tad louder.
2009 remaster (the hated one) is DR6 with tracks in 5-7 range
2013 Japanese flat transfer DR10 (9-11)
2020 new mix DR6 (Silver Train DR4, Star, Star DR5). In places it is worth in terms of dynamics than 2009 remaster.
The fact that some instruments and/or vocals sound louder or can be heard more clear does not necessarily mean the record has better dynamic range. Punch and loudness, or better to say - brickwall is the proper term for this record, but not dynamics.
And unfortunately, it's the same for Brussels Affair :
foobar2000 1.5.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-09-04 17:26:27
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Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Goats Head Soup (2020 Deluxe)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR7 -0.20 dB -8.21 dB 3:56 01-Brown Sugar (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.76 dB 5:33 02-Gimme Shelter (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -7.98 dB 3:14 03-Happy (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.51 dB 5:04 04-Tumbling Dice (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -7.62 dB 4:16 05-Star Star (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.14 dB 4:38 06-Dancing With Mr D (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.10 dB 5:03 07-Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR8 -0.20 dB -10.23 dB 5:15 08-Angie (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR7 -0.20 dB -8.21 dB 11:01 09-You Can't Always Get What You Want (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR6 -0.20 dB -7.80 dB 12:53 10-Midnight Rambler (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR6 -0.20 dB -7.27 dB 3:12 11-Honky Tonk Women (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR6 -0.20 dB -7.12 dB 4:21 12-All Down The Line (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR6 -0.20 dB -7.39 dB 2:25 13-Rip This Joint (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR5 -0.20 dB -6.29 dB 3:27 14-Jumpin' Jack Flash (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
DR5 -0.20 dB -6.13 dB 5:15 15-Street Fighting Man (Live - Forest National Arena, Brussels - 17-10-73)
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Number of tracks: 15
Official DR value: DR6
Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3245 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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What a bummer...
This are the old download files:
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Analyzed folder: E:\RS 1973-10-17 - The Brussels Affair\
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DR Peak RMS Filename
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DR10 -0.17 dB -11.70 dB D1_01_Brown Sugar.wav
DR10 -0.00 dB -11.76 dB D1_02_Gimme Shelter.wav
DR10 over -11.12 dB D1_03_Happy.wav
DR10 over -11.45 dB D1_04_Tumbling Dice.wav
DR10 over -10.34 dB D1_05_Star Star.wav
DR10 over -11.20 dB D1_06_Dancing With Mr D.wav
DR9 over -10.42 dB D1_07_Doo Doo Doo Doo Dooo (Heartbreaker).wav
DR11 -0.00 dB -13.17 dB D1_08_Angie.wav
DR10 over -11.19 dB D1_09_You Cant Always Get What You Want.wav
DR10 over -11.12 dB D1_10_Midnight Rambler.wav
DR9 over -10.18 dB D1_11_Honky Tonk Women.wav
DR9 -0.00 dB -10.22 dB D1_12_All Down The Line.wav
DR9 -0.00 dB -10.24 dB D1_13_Rip This Joint.wav
DR9 over -9.69 dB D1_14_Jumping Jack Flash.wav
DR9 over -9.64 dB D1_15_Street Fighting Man.wav
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Number of files: 15
Official DR value: DR10
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does this 'brick walling' also apply to the new Vinyl version of GHS? Just listening to it and I don't really recognize the 'loudness' you are talking about. Instruments are clearer and more separation, I hear that, which is a good thing. But I don't hear the effect that every instrument is now louder or harsher. Could be me, not able to hear these kind of details. Would like to hear some of your technical insights on the vinyl version though! Interesting stuff.
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I'm surprised out differently Dancing with Mr. D sounds-
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jackflash27
Few questions (sorry if they have been discussed before):
1) Did Mick do an overdub on the piano demo of 100 years ago and the alternate mix of Hide your love? I think I'm not listening to his 1973 voice.
2) I like the lead guitar on Hide your live (alternate remix). Again, it has a very 'fresh' approach to it. Could it be possible that Mick Taylor added his guitar part this year for this mix of the track?
I really like the bonus LP, really great stuff on there.
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Few questions (sorry if they have been discussed before):
1) Did Mick do an overdub on the piano demo of 100 years ago and the alternate mix of Hide your love? I think I'm not listening to his 1973 voice.
2) I like the lead guitar on Hide your live (alternate remix). Again, it has a very 'fresh' approach to it. Could it be possible that Mick Taylor added his guitar part this year for this mix of the track?
I really like the bonus LP, really great stuff on there.
It's not a remix, but a totally different version of Hide Your Love. Nicky on piano.
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jackflash27
Few questions (sorry if they have been discussed before):
1) Did Mick do an overdub on the piano demo of 100 years ago and the alternate mix of Hide your love? I think I'm not listening to his 1973 voice.
2) I like the lead guitar on Hide your live (alternate remix). Again, it has a very 'fresh' approach to it. Could it be possible that Mick Taylor added his guitar part this year for this mix of the track?
I really like the bonus LP, really great stuff on there.
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I am a bit disappointed that 2 remixes of Scarlet are on the album
Where? I can't finnd them on my physical 2 CD version.
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I don’t think Hopkins is on 100 Years Ago. Sounds like all Billy Preston to me.
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JordyLicks96
So according to the credits, nobody plays piano on 100 Years Ago even though there's a piano being played?
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So according to the credits, nobody plays piano on 100 Years Ago even though there's a piano being played?
Are you sure? Clavinet - [en.Wikipedia.org] .
1 Tuning, 2 Damper, 3 Tangent, 4 Anvil, 5 Key, 6 String, 7 Pickup, 8 Tailpiece - [Commons.Wikimedia.org] .