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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: September 5, 2020 20:10

The CDs, Stereo-BluRay & Digital Download of GHS 2020 have unfortunately a Dynamic-Range of only DR6 - [iorr.org] .

But the BluRay in 7.1 Multichannel Dolby Atmos has DR12:


foobar2000 1.5.5 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-09-04 17:30:34

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Goats Head Soup (BluRay - Dolby Atmos - 7.1)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -3.44 dB -21.25 dB 4:51 01-Dancing With Mr. D
DR12 -2.89 dB -22.07 dB 3:58 02-100 Years Ago
DR13 -3.32 dB -22.96 dB 5:54 03-Coming Down Again
DR12 -2.40 dB -20.72 dB 3:26 04-Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
DR13 -2.39 dB -22.50 dB 4:32 05-Angie
DR11 -5.33 dB -20.74 dB 4:26 06-Silver Train
DR14 -4.94 dB -21.67 dB 4:12 07-Hide Your Love
DR13 -5.00 dB -23.09 dB 5:29 08-Winter
DR12 -5.12 dB -22.91 dB 5:31 09-Can You Hear The Music
DR11 -4.82 dB -20.60 dB 4:24 10-Star Star
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 8
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3972 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================

Source: [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv] . It could be that the mostly silent Rear-Channels throw off the DR-Measuring-Algorithm - [www.Quadraphonicquad.com] .

Screenshots of the 5.1-Waveforms: [www.Quadraphonicquad.com] + the 7.1-Waveforms: [www.Quadraphonicquad.com] . Angie in 7.1: [www.Quadraphonicquad.com] .



For comparison, a Vinyl-Rip of GHS 2020 - DR8/DR9:


foobar2000 1.4 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-09-05 17:49:54

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Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Goats Head Soup (Vinyl-LP1)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR9 -5.50 dB -16.66 dB 4:51 ?-01 - Dancing With Mr. D.
DR8 -7.31 dB -17.20 dB 3:57 ?-02 - 100 Years Ago
DR9 -7.25 dB -18.84 dB 5:52 ?-03 - Coming Down Again
DR8 -7.41 dB -16.64 dB 3:26 ?-04 - Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
DR10 -5.85 dB -18.28 dB 4:33 ?-05 - Angie
DR7 -6.20 dB -14.85 dB 4:25 ?-06 - Silver Train
DR7 -7.01 dB -16.27 dB 4:10 ?-07 - Hide Your Love
DR8 -7.14 dB -17.69 dB 5:27 ?-08 - Winter
DR9 -7.66 dB -18.40 dB 5:30 ?-09 - Can You Hear The Music
DR7 -7.05 dB -15.97 dB 4:26 ?-10 - Star Star
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR8

Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 4608 kbps
Codec: PCM
================================================================================

Source: [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv]


foobar2000 1.4 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-09-05 20:08:42

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Goats Head Soup (Vinyl-LP2)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR9 -6.47 dB -18.11 dB 3:44 ?-11 - Scarlet
DR8 -6.81 dB -17.01 dB 4:10 ?-12 - All The Rage
DR9 -7.37 dB -17.50 dB 4:31 ?-13 - Criss Cross
DR10 -11.45 dB -23.63 dB 2:42 ?-14 - 100 Years Ago (Piano Demo)
DR9 -7.16 dB -18.73 dB 3:33 ?-15 - Dancing With Mr. D (Instrumental)
DR9 -6.65 dB -19.46 dB 3:17 ?-16 - Heartbreaker (Instrumental)
DR9 -7.46 dB -17.87 dB 5:16 ?-17 - Hide Your Love (Alternative Mix)
DR8 -7.58 dB -17.60 dB 4:32 ?-18 - Dancing With Mr. D (Glyn Johns 1973 Mix)
DR8 -8.39 dB -19.62 dB 3:25 ?-19 - Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) (Glyn Johns 1973 Mix)
DR8 -7.95 dB -18.20 dB 4:32 ?-20 - Silver Train (Glyn Johns 1973 Mix)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR9

Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 4608 kbps
Codec: PCM
================================================================================

Source: [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv]



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2020-09-06 16:45 by Irix.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Date: September 5, 2020 20:23

Quote
Irix
Quote
TravelinMan

I don’t think Hopkins is on 100 Years Ago. Sounds like all Billy Preston to me.

Here're some Credits for CD1 of GHS 2020 from [www.HighResAudio.com] :

Mick Jagger, lead vocals (all but 3), backing vocals (1, 3, 4, 6, 9, 10), electric guitar (6, 8), harmonica (6), piano (7)
Keith Richards, electric guitar & backing vocals (1, 3, 4, 6, 9, 10), bass guitar (2, 4, 6, 7), acoustic guitar (5), lead vocals (3)
Mick Taylor, electric guitar (1, 2, 4, 6–10), backing vocals (1, 4, 6), bass guitar (1, 3, 9), acoustic guitar (5)
Bill Wyman, bass (5, 8, 10)
Charlie Watts, drums (all tracks)

Additional musicians:

Nicky Hopkins, piano (1, 3, 5, 8, 9)
Billy Preston, clavinet (2, 4), piano (4)
Ian Stewart, piano (6, 10)
Bobby Keys, tenor saxophone (4), baritone saxophone (3, 7, 10)
Jim Horn, alto saxophone (3, 4), flute (9)
Chuck Findley, trumpet (4)
Jim Price, horn arrangement (4)
Nicky Harrison, string arrangement (5, 8)
Anthony "Rebop" Kwaku Baah, percussion (1, 9)
Pascal (Nicholas Pascal Raicevic), percussion (1, 9)
Jimmy Miller, percussion (9)


Numbers in Brackets vs. Tracklist:

1 Dancing With Mr. D
2 100 Years Ago
3 Coming Down Again
4 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
5 Angie
6 Silver Train
7 Hide Your Love
8 Winter
9 Can You Hear The Music
10 Star Star


Dunno if these Credits are any better than the ones from Universal Music (Box-set, YouTube, Qobuz) which should always be taken with a grain of salt.

They are much better, but there is a third, Keith-sounding guitar on Silver Train (the one that's center/right). And Preston is on wah clavinet in the right channel on Can You Hear The Music.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: usetobesampeg ()
Date: September 5, 2020 21:50

Is 8. Dancing With Mr D (Glyn Johns 1973 Mix) the one w/ more of Mick Taylor's Guitar?

[www.youtube.com]

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: OpenG ()
Date: September 5, 2020 23:43

Wyman only played bass on 3 songs on GHS and he had limited work on Exile due to him not being around when songs were done.Yes Mick Taylor and Keith are capable replacements.Taylor probably did his most work on GHS with the stones playing bass on 3 songs in addition to his guitar work.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: September 6, 2020 00:29

Wow Irex thats a solid endorsement for the blu-ray then. What exactly is on the blu-ray, the original LP plus the new versions disk?

Re: the bass, I find those credits for bass especially to be pretty hard to believe. They have you believe there are three bass parts on some songs as they list three personnel on bass guitar. I don't think so. Looks like a cut and paste job to me.

I take liner notes and attributions, especially from the Rolling Stones, with a large grain of salt.

jb

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: September 6, 2020 00:53

WHO THE HECK IS "L. RICHARD" ???


[www.youtube.com]

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: September 6, 2020 01:04

That's his cousin Larry, they brought him in spur of the moment.

I rest my case.

jb

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: wupperstein ()
Date: September 6, 2020 01:15

L.Richard is the cousin Lou from "Dear Doctor".tongue sticking out smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: September 6, 2020 01:27

Little Richard ?

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: September 6, 2020 01:50

Hmm, the zoom in seems sharper than the original. And what happened to the dot above the M ?

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: September 6, 2020 02:18

Seems like the zoom shot is very fuzzy to me. Like it were a screen grab off of youtube. Made to illustrate a point.

But I have never seen that label before. Is it from the new release somehow?

jb



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-09-06 02:19 by jbwelda.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 6, 2020 03:02

It's on their official youtube channel and they're using that label for several of the newly released GHS "2020" videos.
Watching Angie now in full screen mode on laptop, and the same credit - "M.Jagger & L.Richard"...Dancing with Mr. D, Hide Your Love, and Can You Hear the Music all say the same...
Strange...L.Richard...hmmm, that's a head scratcher...maybe it's the famous Ludwig van Richard best known for his 5th Symphony...

_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: JMARKO ()
Date: September 6, 2020 03:08

Does anyone have a physical release with liner notes?

I heard a snippet of the alternate Heartbreaker years ago from a high level collector. He had attributed it to the Jan/Feb Village Recorders session in L.A.

Any indication of this in the reissue credits?

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: September 6, 2020 03:15

Quote
Koen
the zoom in seems sharper than the original. And what happened to the dot above the M ?

Zoom in was just from another frame of the video ...

The dot over the M was a random speckle effect ... The After Effects animator apparently knew how to apply "film & grain filters" better than he spelled Mr. Richards' name.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: September 6, 2020 03:42





ROCKMAN

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: September 6, 2020 04:49



GOATS HEAD SOUP (CARNABY STREET EXCLUSIVE STONES RED VINYL) (HALF SPEED MASTER 180G VINYL)
US $33.00

Release Date 04 September 2020
Sorry Sold Out

Product code 0742498

Polydor
Exclusive Stones Red Vinyl pressing of Goats Head Soup. Limited to 1000 copies. RS No9 Carnaby Store opens 9th September
Another prized jewel in the Rolling Stones' unmatched catalogue is restored to its full glory. Features the new stereo album mix, sourced from the original session files.
Mastered at half speed by Miles Showell at Abbey Road Studios, London.

2020 Stereo Mix

SIDE A
1. Dancing With Mr D
2. 100 Years Ago
3. Coming Down Again
4. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
5. Angie

SIDE B
6. Silver Train
7. Hide Your Love
8. Winter
9. Can You Hear The Music
10. Star Star

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: September 6, 2020 05:37

Wow disc 2 songs 8-10 have 3 bass players!! I thought only Big Bottom from Spinal Tap had 3 bass players, Derek and Nigel both on bass with Derek playing the double neck bass! smiling smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: September 6, 2020 06:06

Quote
schillid
Quote
Koen
the zoom in seems sharper than the original. And what happened to the dot above the M ?

Zoom in was just from another frame of the video ...

The dot over the M was a random speckle effect ... The After Effects animator apparently knew how to apply "film & grain filters" better than he spelled Mr. Richards' name.

Thanks for sorting that out!

But who played bass on All The Rage (see liner notes in Rockman's post above) ?

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 6, 2020 06:09

Quote
Koen
Quote
schillid
Quote
Koen
the zoom in seems sharper than the original. And what happened to the dot above the M ?

Zoom in was just from another frame of the video ...

The dot over the M was a random speckle effect ... The After Effects animator apparently knew how to apply "film & grain filters" better than he spelled Mr. Richards' name.

Thanks for sorting that out!

But who played bass on All The Rage (see liner notes in Rockman's post above) ?

Might have been an uncredited L.Richard playing bass on All the Rage ha...

These credit listings are quite a mess!

_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Date: September 6, 2020 08:59

Quote
Rockman

Love the "flute and harp" on Heartbreaker winking smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: September 6, 2020 10:00

I’m really enjoying this release. Goats Hear Soup has never been my favourite album, but this is, I think, the finest of their deluxe releases.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 6, 2020 12:54

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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: September 6, 2020 12:55

Quote
jbwelda

What exactly is on the blu-ray, the original LP plus the new versions disk?

CD4 (BLU-RAY)

Dolby Atmos and 96kHz/24bit Hi-Res PCM Stereo

1. Dancing With Mr. D.
2. 100 Years Ago
3. Coming Down Again
4. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
5. Angie
6. Silver Train
7. Hide Your Love
8. Winter
9. Can You Hear The Music
10. Star Star

+ Original Videos: Dancing With Mr. D., Angie, Silver Train (Stereo only)

[TheRollingStonesShop.co.uk]


+ Bonus-Tracks: All The Rage, Criss Cross, Scarlet (not listed as being on the BluRay, but they're there in Dolby Atmos) - [www.Quadraphonicquad.com] .


The dedicated 96kHz/24bit DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 was obviously cancelled: [www.Universal-Music.co.jp] , [www.Quadraphonicquad.com] , [www.Quadraphonicquad.com] .



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2020-09-06 17:35 by Irix.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 6, 2020 12:57

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2020-09-06 13:00 by Doxa.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 6, 2020 12:58

Lots of happening in the Stones world right now, so much that no to time to write... But some quick remarks about the extra cuts.

"Heartbreaker" and "Mr. D": always thought that (a) they will never release instrumental version of songs, and that (b) it wouldn't be such a good idea personally, but it is always nice to be proven wrong. These two gives us a great perspective to the songs. So strong musicality at present, and makes one wonder did they did right decisions for the released versions. There is such an unique feel in that acoustic beginning of "Heartbreaker" and how the song delicately builds up that some of that potentiality is not fully actualized in the final version. Even some sort of "Gimme Shelter" sublimity there. "Mr. D" has funkier character here, and some of the 'oddness' and artificiality of the final version is yet missing. Wonderful guitars on both songs.

"100 Years Ago": oh what a beauty, a true gem! Interesting to hear how finished the demo version of the song is here, all the words, chords and musical phases are there. Wonderfully crafted song.

"Hide Your Love": great to hear a different take, but I need to say that I miss the driving piano part that I think is essential to the magic of the song. Same with Mick's vocals: the original version contains some of Mick's best blues phrasings ever, and here he is somehow more lame. Altogether, despite the great guitars, this sounds more traditional and ordinary blues track than the hypnotic and unique-sounding GHS one. But still great to listen!

- Doxa



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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: mick64 ()
Date: September 6, 2020 15:53

The website of the stones is sold out the versions of box cd, vinyl box will be able to be more for sale you know

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: September 6, 2020 16:05

Quote
mick64

The website of the stones is sold out

Still available: GHS 2020 2LP - Clear-Vinyl (Alternate Cover): [Platenzaak.nl] , [www.Merchbar.com] .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-09-07 20:10 by Irix.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: September 6, 2020 16:16

"100 Years Ago": oh what a beauty, a true gem! Interesting to hear how finished the demo version of the song is here, all the words, chords and musical phases are there. Wonderfully crafted song."

The piano version is outstanding and length is correct. In other words, the more simplistic the more superior this song rings. May be the Gem of the collection.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: September 6, 2020 16:34

Quote
Irix
Quote
mick64

The website of the stones is sold out

GHS 2020 2LP - Clear-Vinyl (Alternate Cover): [Platenzaak.nl] .

The alternate cover is amazing

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: slewan ()
Date: September 6, 2020 16:38

I just bought the GHS 2CD edition at amazon Germany and – guess what? – Brussels is included in the audio rip (plus the war on drugs as well as the Killers remix of Scarlett) – all for 17.99 Euros…

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