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I get why Criss Cross didn't get on GHS. It drags on and doesn't go anywhere after a while just like High Way Child.
I agree. The only real good "Criss Cross" is the one featured in a Japanese movie, can't recall the title - and it last for about 1:50.
It does not go anywhere after that.
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If I may interject I'd like to say Sticky Fingers is in my opinion the bigger masterpiece. However I've always wondered why GHS is not more talked about because I too feel it's a masterpiece. Happy to hear it's getting some attention with a new release. Hope there are some exciting extras.
Perhaps I’m quibbling but up to now I don’t recall anyone referring to BB, LIB, EOMS and SF as the big 4 ‘masterpieces.’ And for good reason – crediting bands with multiple masterpieces begins to get silly and increases the likelihood of getting into even sillier conversations with Lem. It’s the BIG FOUR Period.
Goats is not part of the BIG FOUR Period. However, if you love Goats and are unable to resist the urge to call it a masterpiece I’ll allow it on two conditions: 1. that you qualify it as a ‘minor masterpiece’ and 2. that you don’t start a silly thread about which Stones albums should be classified as ‘minor masterpieces.’
I always thought there were seven masterpieces between Beggars and Some Girls. Sticky Fingers comes in last if you want to have a contest.
Sticky Fingers has some of the very best Stones songs but it's a collection of songs more than an album. Just like Black and Blue. Let It Bleed and most of Goats Head has qualities about them the fit the songs together. It seems easy to see the songs on those albums are from a certain period with style and technique.
I disagree. I think BB through GHS are all thematic, with GHS having the weakest songs, or, rather, the weakest production. (Remember Jimmy Miller was fading at this point). I think all those albums hang together sonically. IORR and Black and Blue don't. They sound like a collection of songs. I think people consider Some Girls their last truly great album because it also hangs together sonically. Whatever strange mix they used, goes through the whole album. (And if Claudine had replaced Lies, it would have been perfect.) I think that's why songs like Don't Be a Stranger, and So Young didn't make they album is that they didn't hang with the other Some Girls songs. (Although both are great cuts). They would never again achieve that.
I love Goats Head Soup. Yum, Yum!
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I’m in the minority here, but I couldn’t see the album with a different opener. I love the song; it’s voodoo, grimy blues, rock, and Jamaican.
very good point. This is true: there really isn't another cut from the GHS sessions that would work as opener.
The thing about "Dancing w/ Mr D" is that it is one of those songs that is always better when you actually hear it. When it is playing I'm always "Man this is pretty good". I love that low keyboard down there; can't quite tell if it s a clavinet or electric piano.
It's the chorus itself that is a little lame.
I like Dancing with Mr. D but I think Star Star or Heartbreaker would have worked as an opener. Star Star would have been a kick right out of the gate.
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I think people consider Some Girls their last truly great album because it also hangs together sonically. Whatever strange mix they used, goes through the whole album. (And if Claudine had replaced Lies, it would have been perfect.) I think that's why songs like Don't Be a Stranger, and So Young didn't make they album is that they didn't hang with the other Some Girls songs. (Although both are great cuts).
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I’m in the minority here, but I couldn’t see the album with a different opener. I love the song; it’s voodoo, grimy blues, rock, and Jamaican.
very good point. This is true: there really isn't another cut from the GHS sessions that would work as opener.
The thing about "Dancing w/ Mr D" is that it is one of those songs that is always better when you actually hear it. When it is playing I'm always "Man this is pretty good". I love that low keyboard down there; can't quite tell if it s a clavinet or electric piano.
It's the chorus itself that is a little lame.
I like Dancing with Mr. D but I think Star Star or Heartbreaker would have worked as an opener. Star Star would have been a kick right out of the gate.
Listening to GHS, 100 years would had worked as an opener...
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I get why Criss Cross didn't get on GHS. It drags on and doesn't go anywhere after a while just like High Way Child.
I agree. The only real good "Criss Cross" is the one featured in a Japanese movie, can't recall the title - and it last for about 1:50.
It does not go anywhere after that
Goats Head Soup is one of my very very favourite RS albums. Silver Train might be the only weak track there - but there exist a better outtake version on bootleg
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I get why Criss Cross didn't get on GHS. It drags on and doesn't go anywhere after a while just like High Way Child.
I agree. The only real good "Criss Cross" is the one featured in a Japanese movie, can't recall the title - and it last for about 1:50.
METAMORPHOSES is the movie.
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In regard to what could've been a better LP opener for GHS, what about Criss Cross?
Probably too slow. But it has a great intro.
Heartbreaker would've been the superior 'faster' opener.
If Jumpin' Jack Flash had been used on BEGGARS it would've definitely opened the album. It should've.
Keep in mind that back in the days of GHS there were LPs with two sides, so the artist probably kept in mind the opener and closer of each side of the album.
I get why Criss Cross didn't get on GHS. It drags on and doesn't go anywhere after a while just like High Way Child. Great stuff but... I did and edit version of Criss Cross which I enjoy much better than the whole song.
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Bet he is embarrassed by that get-up. I would be.
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Bet he is embarrassed by that get-up. I would be.
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That’s because you’re not a musician or a rock and roll star - what’s the embarrassing part of “ I was wearing a funny hat and eye makeup while singing into a microphone with Keith Richards “- and oh by the way I was in the Stones”
Yeah, what a loser.
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I get why Criss Cross didn't get on GHS. It drags on and doesn't go anywhere after a while just like High Way Child.
I agree. The only real good "Criss Cross" is the one featured in a Japanese movie, can't recall the title - and it last for about 1:50.
It does not go anywhere after that.
I cut it down to 3:16 from 4:26. Maybe I'll get it second look to edit some more.
Separately is another song that's great and doesn't go anywhere or don't go anywhere for a while. I cut Separately down to 1:41 and LOVE IT!
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You Should Have See Her Ass is pretty good.
There is I suppose what is a bridge, it has a descending bit to it, starting at 1:30, that seems familiar to the bridge or whatever in Saint Of Me, that bit about "I thought I heard an angel cry".
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You Should Have See Her Ass is pretty good.
There is I suppose what is a bridge, it has a descending bit to it, starting at 1:30, that seems familiar to the bridge or whatever in Saint Of Me, that bit about "I thought I heard an angel cry".
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Yes I agree with myself...
Didn't Keef once complain Mick always wants to play the songs live too fast? Keef probbaly thinks that if you're too fast you have the rock but you miss the roll/the swing.
Can't say he's wrong if you watch a 1988 video of a Mick gig.
He did forget that himself in 1982, though. The merck might have had something to do with it.
Love the extra solos before the third verse, btw
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Wow Jagger drinking JD on stage in '82.......interesting
That performance of Jumpin' Jack Flash is a perfect example of what's been wrong with it since 1972 - they fly through it yet play it way too long, yell and howl, it has no swagger - why bother. Horrible.
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That performance of Jumpin' Jack Flash is a perfect example of what's been wrong with it since 1972 - they fly through it yet play it way too long, yell and howl, it has no swagger - why bother. Horrible.
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Was it "Mr. D" or "Silver Train", which replaced it in the album, I don't know. Had the album been stronger with it, I don't know either. Like "Mr. D" it has novelty in it, pointing to new musical waters, but like it, didn't quite convince. Probably a pure blues rock number "Silver Train" was a safe choice, to see more continuity with EXILE.
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