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Rockman
Really? I didn’t know she could think!
Paris Hilton rang and told her …..
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peoplewitheyes
erudite analysis, LazarusSmith
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nick
If the climate is a political issue and you delete political posts then how do these topics continue? I was actually trying to get other people to tell us how to help in our own daily lives vs just preaching about it...
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SomeGuy
I don't think that there are many people here who think that the climate isn't changing.
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SomeGuy
I don't think that there are many people here who think that the climate isn't changing.
If it didn’t I would panic.
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Jimi Hendrix, 1967
Is this true?
Please let me talk to you, let me talk to you
I have lived here before the days of ice
And of course this is why I'm so concerned
And I come back to find the stars misplaced
And the smell of a world that has burned
A smell of the world that has burned
Yeah well maybe, maybe it's just a change of climate, mmm mm
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bv
I will be more precise:
The Climate Changes are a scientificly proven fact, not a politically constructed problem. However, to solve this problem, we need solutions made by politicians. That is why it is a political case.
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waterrats
And this is very much precicely that, what Greta communicates.
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waterrats
And this is very much precicely that, what Greta communicates.
Actually she doesn't tell anything new. Does anyone remember this one?
19th Century: Cree Indian Prophecy
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Chris Fountain
At most parks there are Wastebaskets paid by our tax money. Yet there is trash allover the park. Cause is not related to stupidity or laziness but indifference.
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Chris Fountain
At most parks there are Wastebaskets paid by our tax money. Yet there is trash allover the park. Cause is not related to stupidity or laziness but indifference.
Is this in the US?......
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waterrats
And this is very much precicely that, what Greta communicates.
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JimmyShelter
I keep seeing the same arguments about the climate changing naturally, as if that makes it ok to do nothing.
When I worked as a counselor/advocate I always told people that if you have a valid argument, then let it stand up on it's own. Don't try to embellish it or leave bits out because you think it will make your argument better, it won't. All it does is allow people who don't want to believe it to invalidate it if they find a flaw in it. A flaw doesn't necessarily invalidate a whole argument, but it will in the mind of those who don't want to believe it.
If I have a criticism of many climate change scientists and experts it is that I have too often seen them try to ignore or even deny the earth's natural cooling/warming cycle. It exists and can be clearly seen in historical data from ice cores etc. In fact we are in the upward phase of the cycle.
So if that is your argument, then yes, you have a valid argument in that it exists, but you still don't have a valid argument that it invalidates the whole climate change argument, it doesn't. And after all, it doesn't really matter what proportion of the blame we should take, it only really matters that the Earth is getting hotter (and there is no argument against that) and that we are, at the very least, exacerbating the problem. It makes no sense to make a bad situation worse.
The other argument I see a lot is that "they said there would be an ice age, then they said global warming, that never happened so now they say climate change."
The ice age idea came about around 40 years or so ago, and it shouldn't be seen as a completely different idea that they gave up on, but more like an early predictive model that has come a long way since then. The basic theory is that rising ocean temperatures means more evaporation, which means more moisture in the air, more precipitation, more snow at the ice caps which get bigger, reflect more sunlight and cool things down.
But in the last 40 years our models have got better. They are like the predictive models that we have seen a lot recently predicting where tropical storms and hurricanes will go around the Bahamas, etc. We are quite good at it now.
Global Warming was also not an idea that never happened, it is still happening, the name change to Climate Change was, I think, an attempt to give the phenomenon a more descriptive name, not a change of theory. Global Warming seems to imply that nothing else is changing, just the planet getting warmer, but that is not the case. There are many effects of increasing global temperatures. Higher temperatures still means more evaporation, more rain, more moisture in the atmosphere to build stronger storms, etc. Higher temperatures also mean higher temperature differentials, which means stronger winds. Etc. etc.
So this whole argument doesn't stack up, they are not all separate theories that we keep replacing one with another, they are all one evolving theory that we come to understand better as we go along.
And none of this is the whole problem anyway, there is still the problem of unprecedented extinctions, poisoning of the water tables, plastic in the oceans ... do you know that male sperm count has gone down 60% in recent decades, largely because of pesticides and other pollutants?
You can carry on chipping little bits off the argument, but you have still said nothing to invalidate it.
This is real and this is dangerous, pull your head out of your xxxx and wake up to it, it affects you as well as me.
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waterrats
And this is very much precicely that, what Greta communicates.
Actually she doesn't tell anything new. Another two examples:
Year 1972 - The Club of Rome (Massachusetts Institute of Technology):
Year 2004 - Update:
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Chris Fountain
At most parks there are Wastebaskets paid by our tax money. Yet there is trash allover the park. Cause is not related to stupidity or laziness but indifference.
Is this in the US?......
Yep take a drive round town this morning. - Better thoughts - Drive around with "No Particular Place to Go" and don't hold a grudge against the safety belt that wouldn't budge"
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SomeGuy
"We can no longer save the planet by playing by the rules", says Greta.
Personally I find this Greta idolizing phenomenon quite scary. (And her parents should be reprimanded for child abuse of this poor girl.)
We get fear mongering, then the notion that anything should be allowed to avert the "catastrophe." Freedom, self determination, democracy and the ability to think for yourself are being sacrificed. That, in history, has never ended well before.