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TheflyingDutchman
If I remember it correctly I read that Brian could have suffered from an asthma attack, something he suffered from anyway. Since he was good swimmer it seems unlikely that the combinaton of taking barbiturates and alcohol only could have been the cause his drowning. If you feel you're passing out in a swimming pool the body generates enough adrenaline to make it to the save spot. If you cannot breath properly then you have bad luck, even in a swimming pool. Just my two cents.
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TheflyingDutchman
If I remember it correctly I read that Brian could have suffered from an asthma attack, something he suffered from anyway. Since he was good swimmer it seems unlikely that the combinaton of taking barbiturates and alcohol only could have been the cause his drowning. If you feel you're passing out in a swimming pool the body generates enough adrenaline to make it to the save spot. If you cannot breath properly then you have bad luck, even in a swimming pool. Just my two cents.
The article His Majesty posted is very interesting -apperently it is quite easy to get a black out during a swim, to which the body reacts by pressung the lungs for a gasp of air. It states that this can happen to experienced swimmers.
Anyone who has ever been quite drunk and mixed it with drugs knows there is this very fine line between feeling fine and passing out. Here in Amsterdam 20 tourists a year die falling over in a canal while taking a pee -they are all so drunk they drown within 30 seconds.
If a nurse says Brian was too drunk to speak normally, if Brian says he had taken his sleepers, and if the coroner states there were no visible marks on him the debate whether he was killed should have ended by July 5 1969.
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Tseverin
“Dr Albert Sachs, a pathologist, said he found no evidence in the lung to suggest Jones had had a recent attack of asthma...”
“His blood contained 140 milligrams per cent of alcohol, but there was no evidence of barbiturates.”
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Mathijs
but there was no evidence of barbiturates. It was obvious, on examining his blood, that Jones had consumed a large quantity of drugs."
[www.theguardian.com]
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but there was no evidence of barbiturates. It was obvious, on examining his blood, that Jones had consumed a large quantity of drugs."
[www.theguardian.com]
Mathijs
Huh ?!
Weren't barbiturates the drugs he was mostly using, making a lot of his problems?
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Mathijs
Ps you know how much alcohol you must drink for your liver to be twice the size at age 27? Frigging hell he must have really over indulged for a long, long time.
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Mathijs
Ps you know how much alcohol you must drink for your liver to be twice the size at age 27? Frigging hell he must have really over indulged for a long, long time.
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I recall reading in some Brian Jones bio ages ago that already during some 1965 American tour it was normal that he drank a bottle of whisky in a day. The guy seemingly lived like there is no tomorrow from quite early on. However, alcohol(ism) is traditionally kept as a lesser vice among Stones circles and folklore, almost not worth mentioning...
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but there was no evidence of barbiturates. It was obvious, on examining his blood, that Jones had consumed a large quantity of drugs."
[www.theguardian.com]
Mathijs
Huh ?!
Weren't barbiturates the drugs he was mostly using, making a lot of his problems?
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His Majesty
@#$%&.
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jlowe
In his final years Brian was an in patient at The Priory, a high cost Clinic.
At his trials reference was made to Psychiatric evaluations and support.
Wether by 1969 he was actually under any Care arrangements is not clear; however its not true to say that help was not available.
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paulspendel
The Hotchner version of events is correct.
There was a party. He wrote ‘three guys’ had it in for Brian’. They were Frank, Johnny Betsworth and Maurice Tucker. They kept pushing Brian under water, also grabbing him from behind. Hotchner’s witness apprentice Marty was in fact Martin S, who died in Poole in 2005. The blame was on Frank because Tucker and Betsworth were Chichester Police informants.
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mickschix
Mathijs, that is way too simplistic, not widely accepted.( that the cause of death was due to intoxication alone) If you've been a Stones fan for many years, it IS widely accepted that Brian & frank were at odds over $$ and the renovating of Brians' home....not made up, not a stretch..many interviewed witnesses over the years said so..not MY OPINION, just basic facts of the case. Too bad all of the folks at that scene that night are dead....I still find this tragically fascinating, if you don't, FINE!
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jlowe
Keylock became an ex Stones employee within a year.