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Listening to this I wonder who picked up the rythm guitar of Chuck Berry first, Keith or Brian ? From a historical perspective. Berry mostly played these kind of patterns in a fast way albeit more straight forward i.e. less fills.
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I hope that you will reconsider.
I don't post much here, but I do log in almost daily, and I always check in on your threads.
I'd hate to think you would limit your contributions to this site as a result of anyone else's responses.
I'm sure many others feel similarly.
In any event, thank you for all your contributions.
I respect your position, and I understand the sense of frustration, annoyance, etc., and it of course is not my place to determine your decision.
All I will say is that it is a shame for many of us to have the negativists to appear "victorious." But again I absolutely respect your decision.
Again, my sincere thanks for all you have contributed
Too bad you're playing the victim role. I would never do this here if I were you.
I notice you are using an "odd" guitar fingering type, ring finger and middle finger. Keith or Taylor for example would use the ring finger only in this case ( or I'm suffering from Alzheimer-Lite). Is that your own interpretation or did Brian do this as well?
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I'm not going out on a limb when i say that everyone here (Mathijs included) appreciates your work and this thread.
We can find other threads to discuss how good Brian was.
Don't leave, mate.
I am not sure if you are insinuating I might be one of these persons who respond to your Youtube or FB posts. I don't. I only ever post under my very own name, Mathijs, I have done so for the last 20 years.
There are responses here about 'a haggler' and 'ignorant fukc'. I sincerely believe that I am not either of those. My opinions are fair, educated and well thought, even if you absolutely disagree with it.
One of my opinions is that you act very touchy, something I believe you should not be on an internet message board. My criticism of Brian's guitar skills is in no certain ways criticism to you -the contrary. As I have said before, I admire your great body of work on this to show what Brian actually played and played not. Your replaying of his soprano sax is a great study on what he played on tracks like Citadel. Do I like what he played, and do I wish he never had brought that thing into a studio? Well...
Don't be so touchy, keep up the good work, and just ignore my opinions if you don't like them.
Mathijs
I found George Harrison an absolutely great, highly skilled guitarist. If you try to play Harrison parts it always turns out to be much more technically challenging than it sounds. Great choice of odd chords as well.
Mathijs
You can hear by Brian's soprano sax sound that he practised the clarinet as well.
Most (professional) sax players for some reason play both Soprano and Tenor. Alto sax is difficult to hold in tune as well. Tenor and Baritone are relatively easy, but still you need the talent and practise, regardless what sax register you play.
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Pete Townshend talked about Brian at the HOF induction ceremony. Starts around 4:09:
[youtu.be]
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 10, 2023 13:16
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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TheflyingDutchman
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Date: September 10, 2023 13:18
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Hi-Heel Sneakers - guitar (demonstration): [youtu.be]
A demonstration showing the essentials of what Brian Jones played. Recorded to allow for Brian's guitar idea to be heard without backing.
Listening to this I wonder who picked up the rythm guitar of Chuck Berry first, Keith or Brian ? From a historical perspective. Berry mostly played these kind of patterns in a fast way albeit more straight forward i.e. less fills.
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 10, 2023 15:26
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Keep up your superb work, His Majesty!
Many of us here love it.
Thanks, but I'm done here.
I hope that you will reconsider.
I don't post much here, but I do log in almost daily, and I always check in on your threads.
I'd hate to think you would limit your contributions to this site as a result of anyone else's responses.
I'm sure many others feel similarly.
In any event, thank you for all your contributions.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Rocky Dijon
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Date: September 10, 2023 16:09
Agreed, best ongoing thread on the site. Ignore people you don't agree with and please just continue posting your work.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 10, 2023 17:01
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Ps37
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Date: September 10, 2023 17:16
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His Majesty
I don't like the new single at all. It's just being an arsehole posting that every time people discuss it.
There is a guitarist on YouTube that, aside from about 7 or so songs, dislikes the Brian era Rolling Stones. For what ever reason every few months he feels the need to tell people on my channel how bad he thinks the Stones were then. He'll use things like isolation of Paint It Black as proof of how bad they are rhythmically. He'll use the soloing on various recordings like Off The Hook to show how technically inept Keith was. "A 12 year could play this!!" Or how comical Brian's mellotron playing is.
He is free to think what he thinks. I think he should maybe just move on from something he obviously doesn't like. Thankfully, on YouTube I can moderate the comments. I'm fine with criticism of myself, Brian and the rest of the band, but the same person just saying the same negative things over and over is tedious and pointless.
There's a really weird person who uses Williard Billmore as user name. For him, Brian is the worst musician. This guy's entire mindset is that anything remotely good can't be Brian or originate from Brian. He gives the occasional kudos for playing such and such, but always in context of 'yeah, but I think he's mostly terrible'.
My experience of Mathis over many years is similar, with some extra bullshit I can't be arsed going in to. In time he turns just about every Brian thread or posting on Facebook etc in to a debate about whether Brian was mediocre or not. No different to the guy that tries to make my YouTube comments in to a debate about how crap the Stones were before Mick Taylor joined.
I have no interest in it because there is little fair minded intent regarding the thing they obviously mostly dislike. It's weird to need to make sure that dislike is voiced. It's a destructive way of going about things.
I can't do anything about it here except remove myself.
I respect your position, and I understand the sense of frustration, annoyance, etc., and it of course is not my place to determine your decision.
All I will say is that it is a shame for many of us to have the negativists to appear "victorious." But again I absolutely respect your decision.
Again, my sincere thanks for all you have contributed
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 10, 2023 17:47
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His Majesty
I can't do anything about it here except remove myself.
Too bad you're playing the victim role. I would never do this here if I were you.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 10, 2023 17:50
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Rocky Dijon
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Date: September 10, 2023 22:18
Our loss if you leave IORR.
It's not just Brian. There are always fans with agendas. Down with Mick. Down with Keith (rare, but it's around all the same). Down with Ronnie because he's not Taylor. Down with Darryl because he's not Bill. Down with Chuck because he plinks. Down with Matt because of the tambourine close-up during "Brown Sugar" (okay, that's just me). Down with Don Was because he's not Rick Rubin. Down with Andrew Watt because he's Flavor of the Month. Down with back-up singers. On it goes.
At the end of the day, if you can't ignore a heckler, it's our loss more than yours.
It's not just Brian. There are always fans with agendas. Down with Mick. Down with Keith (rare, but it's around all the same). Down with Ronnie because he's not Taylor. Down with Darryl because he's not Bill. Down with Chuck because he plinks. Down with Matt because of the tambourine close-up during "Brown Sugar" (okay, that's just me). Down with Don Was because he's not Rick Rubin. Down with Andrew Watt because he's Flavor of the Month. Down with back-up singers. On it goes.
At the end of the day, if you can't ignore a heckler, it's our loss more than yours.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 10, 2023 23:23
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Taylor1
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Date: September 10, 2023 23:23
Diminishing Mick Taylor’s contribution is the most commonQuote
Rocky Dijon
Our loss if you leave IORR.
It's not just Brian. There are always fans with agendas. Down with Mick. Down with Keith (rare, but it's around all the same). Down with Ronnie because he's not Taylor. Down with Darryl because he's not Bill. Down with Chuck because he plinks. Down with Matt because of the tambourine close-up during "Brown Sugar" (okay, that's just me). Down with Don Was because he's not Rick Rubin. Down with Andrew Watt because he's Flavor of the Month. Down with back-up singers. On it goes.
At the end of the day, if you can't ignore a heckler, it's our loss more than yours.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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TheflyingDutchman
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Date: September 10, 2023 23:24
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His Majesty
Demonstration: [youtu.be]
A demonstration showing the essentials of what Brian Jones played. Recorded to allow for Brian's guitar idea to be heard without backing.
I notice you are using an "odd" guitar fingering type, ring finger and middle finger. Keith or Taylor for example would use the ring finger only in this case ( or I'm suffering from Alzheimer-Lite). Is that your own interpretation or did Brian do this as well?
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 11, 2023 00:44
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Rockman
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Date: September 11, 2023 02:45
Stay here His Majesty .....
Like where ya gonna go ?????????
People here lurv ya work ..... STAY ... Do your thing man ...
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Like where ya gonna go ?????????
People here lurv ya work ..... STAY ... Do your thing man ...
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 11, 2023 06:46
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 11, 2023 10:43
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His Majesty
I can't do anything about it here except remove myself.
I'm not going out on a limb when i say that everyone here (Mathijs included) appreciates your work and this thread.
We can find other threads to discuss how good Brian was.
Don't leave, mate.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Mathijs
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Date: September 11, 2023 12:03
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His Majesty
I don't like the new single at all. It's just being an arsehole posting that every time people discuss it.
There is a guitarist on YouTube that, aside from about 7 or so songs, dislikes the Brian era Rolling Stones. For what ever reason every few months he feels the need to tell people on my channel how bad he thinks the Stones were then. He'll use things like isolation of Paint It Black as proof of how bad they are rhythmically. He'll use the soloing on various recordings like Off The Hook to show how technically inept Keith was. "A 12 year could play this!!" Or how comical Brian's mellotron playing is.
He is free to think what he thinks. I think he should maybe just move on from something he obviously doesn't like. Thankfully, on YouTube I can moderate the comments. I'm fine with criticism of myself, Brian and the rest of the band, but the same person just saying the same negative things over and over is tedious and pointless.
There's a really weird person who uses Williard Billmore as user name. For him, Brian is the worst musician. This guy's entire mindset is that anything remotely good can't be Brian or originate from Brian. He gives the occasional kudos for playing such and such, but always in context of 'yeah, but I think he's mostly terrible'.
My experience of Mathijs over many years is similar, with some extra bullshit I can't be arsed going in to. In time he turns just about every Brian thread or posting on Facebook etc in to a debate about whether Brian was mediocre or not. No different to the guy that tries to make my YouTube comments in to a debate about how crap the Stones were before Mick Taylor joined.
I have no interest in it because there is little fair minded intent, just a weird need to make sure that dislike is voiced. It's a destructive way of going about things.
I can't do anything about it here except remove myself.
Ps: I am very aware of the fact I have done similar in the past. But, nothing good comes from repeating a negative opinion for years and years about something as subjective as music and a musician's playing. This thread was not intended as a vehicle for someone who mostly has an extremely negative opinion about Brian's musicianship to once again voice it.
I am not sure if you are insinuating I might be one of these persons who respond to your Youtube or FB posts. I don't. I only ever post under my very own name, Mathijs, I have done so for the last 20 years.
There are responses here about 'a haggler' and 'ignorant fukc'. I sincerely believe that I am not either of those. My opinions are fair, educated and well thought, even if you absolutely disagree with it.
One of my opinions is that you act very touchy, something I believe you should not be on an internet message board. My criticism of Brian's guitar skills is in no certain ways criticism to you -the contrary. As I have said before, I admire your great body of work on this to show what Brian actually played and played not. Your replaying of his soprano sax is a great study on what he played on tracks like Citadel. Do I like what he played, and do I wish he never had brought that thing into a studio? Well...
Don't be so touchy, keep up the good work, and just ignore my opinions if you don't like them.
Mathijs
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Mathijs
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Date: September 11, 2023 12:05
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Taylor1
Mathijs , What is your opinion of George Harrison’s guitar playing on the early Beatles songs, 1963-1965? Like Hard Days Night or She Loves You in terms of simplicity or level of technical prowess.To me as a non musician they are great and perfectly fit the song , but deceptively,sound pretty easy to play .
I found George Harrison an absolutely great, highly skilled guitarist. If you try to play Harrison parts it always turns out to be much more technically challenging than it sounds. Great choice of odd chords as well.
Mathijs
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 11, 2023 13:39
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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TheflyingDutchman
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Date: September 11, 2023 14:23
It's not so easy to play the (soprano) sax getting a good sound and hold it in tune. If someone told me it would be Brian playing it for the first time on this recording I would hardly believe it. After the interview with Brian I do. Seemingly he practised it for several years when he was young.
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His Majesty
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Date: September 11, 2023 14:35
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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TheflyingDutchman
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Date: September 11, 2023 14:52
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His Majesty
Brian was taught clarinet first, then took up alto sax. A good basis to be able to adapt to any of the woodwind instruments.
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I'm finding soprano a frustrating thing to play in tune compared with alto and tenor. It"s in part due to the mouthpiece being so small. Even small changes in mouth position and pressure has a notable affect on pitch and tone.
The even smaller sopranino must be a nightmare.
You can hear by Brian's soprano sax sound that he practised the clarinet as well.
Most (professional) sax players for some reason play both Soprano and Tenor. Alto sax is difficult to hold in tune as well. Tenor and Baritone are relatively easy, but still you need the talent and practise, regardless what sax register you play.
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 11, 2023 15:09
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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TheflyingDutchman
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Date: September 11, 2023 15:38
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His Majesty
Alto is probably easiest to play overall. The size/pitch control/air pressure ratio makes it most suited sax for beginners.
A tenor or baritone is pretty unwieldy if you are new to the instrument and/or are little.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by:
georgie48
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Date: September 11, 2023 17:30
HM,
You took up the admirable task to put the spotlights on Brian Jones. I don't need to tell you after all those years your thread is on IORR, that it triggered loads of opinions. People who see themselves as guitar specialists, blues harp specialists, saxophone specialists, etc. etc. have given there personal views time after time. Not to forget all the facts. Very interesting reads!
But ... let's not forget that when The Rolling Stones surfaced internationally in 1964 (after a solid year and half proving themselves in the UK) they surfaced as a unity. I dare to say that virtually nobody in those early days was interested in who did what on any of the songs. Some info was given on early albums, but ... who cared? ...
It was, and I still believe it is, the song as an entity that touches the soul of each individual listening to it. Result: I love (like) it, or I dislike (hate) it or anything in between.
Since this thread is about Brian Jones, I only wonder why some absolutely great misicians (Hendrikx, Townshend, Clapton, Beck, etc., etc. in the history of R&B and R&R spoke/speak so highly of Brian's contribution to the Stones? Do/did they miss something or is it that the above mentioned specialists are/were missing something?
My motto is: put on the record, set your mind on blanc, and enjoy it as ... another enjoyable Rolling Stones (or any other artist for that matter) song.
Right Hairball?
Okay, a challange for those who love to disagree with me: Get Off Of My Cloud has this, modestly on the background, guitar jingle by Brian (I don't mean the mid 80s skr*wed up DECCA CD version, on which that jingle is way to load on the foreground). It's a very subtle (easy to play by any guitar player) addition to a great song, giving it just that extra bit of taste. Simplicity in its finest form.
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
You took up the admirable task to put the spotlights on Brian Jones. I don't need to tell you after all those years your thread is on IORR, that it triggered loads of opinions. People who see themselves as guitar specialists, blues harp specialists, saxophone specialists, etc. etc. have given there personal views time after time. Not to forget all the facts. Very interesting reads!
But ... let's not forget that when The Rolling Stones surfaced internationally in 1964 (after a solid year and half proving themselves in the UK) they surfaced as a unity. I dare to say that virtually nobody in those early days was interested in who did what on any of the songs. Some info was given on early albums, but ... who cared? ...
It was, and I still believe it is, the song as an entity that touches the soul of each individual listening to it. Result: I love (like) it, or I dislike (hate) it or anything in between.
Since this thread is about Brian Jones, I only wonder why some absolutely great misicians (Hendrikx, Townshend, Clapton, Beck, etc., etc. in the history of R&B and R&R spoke/speak so highly of Brian's contribution to the Stones? Do/did they miss something or is it that the above mentioned specialists are/were missing something?
My motto is: put on the record, set your mind on blanc, and enjoy it as ... another enjoyable Rolling Stones (or any other artist for that matter) song.
Right Hairball?
Okay, a challange for those who love to disagree with me: Get Off Of My Cloud has this, modestly on the background, guitar jingle by Brian (I don't mean the mid 80s skr*wed up DECCA CD version, on which that jingle is way to load on the foreground). It's a very subtle (easy to play by any guitar player) addition to a great song, giving it just that extra bit of taste. Simplicity in its finest form.
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 11, 2023 17:54
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georgie48
I only wonder why some absolutely great misicians (Hendrikx, Townshend, Clapton, Beck, etc., etc. in the history of R&B and R&R spoke/speak so highly of Brian's contribution to the Stones? Do/did they miss something or is it that the above mentioned specialists are/were missing something?
Pete Townshend talked about Brian at the HOF induction ceremony. Starts around 4:09:
[youtu.be]
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 11, 2023 19:20
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Taylor1
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Date: September 11, 2023 20:46
His mellotron work on Satanic Majesties and Beggars Banquet are great.Too bad he didn’t live long enough to play more advanced keyboard instruments
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Witness
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Date: September 11, 2023 21:31
Me as a non-musician poster, fully aware of that deficiency, I myself also sometimes challenged by some of your posts, still have almost always found your posts most stimulating to read, His Majesty! Also when in disagreement! I would most sincerely want you to stay and continue to post!
Maybe your interchanges with Mathijs about Brian's skills on guitar, lack another term, I wonder. That word would be taste!
Edit: Correction in spelling of name.
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Maybe your interchanges with Mathijs about Brian's skills on guitar, lack another term, I wonder. That word would be taste!
Edit: Correction in spelling of name.
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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TheflyingDutchman
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Date: September 11, 2023 22:58
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Taylor1
His mellotron work on Satanic Majesties and Beggars Banquet are great.Too bad he didn’t live long enough to play more advanced keyboard instruments
Many fans despise synthesizers in Rolling Stones music.
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