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Meise
Unlike Mick Taylor, Ronnie is able to play various instruments. Moreover, whereby MT has always stuck to his playing and sound style, RW supports several styles using a multitude of guitars.
But he's far more than a supporting guitarist to Keith on stage. During the Bigger Bang tour concert in Frankfurt, Keith was partly unable to play the guitar at all. There were several moments where he just stood there doing nothing but holding his guitar. In these cases, Ronnie took over Keith's parts which convinced me about his importance to the band.
Of course, Ronnie's personality have been the glue between Keith and Mick particularly in the 1980s[/quote
meise, are you the guy i met in Edinburgh , Golden circle???
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His Majesty
The Rolling Stones, ie Brian, Mick and Keith in a band together, ended on 8th June 1969.
According to Taylor, he felt his 'joining' was effectivley the beginning of a new band. He was right.
Thus, those are not really Rolling Stones albums.
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TheflyingDutchman
Why do you guys always leave Richards and Jones out in such cases ? Peaches and Apples are fruit as well.
Because as people and as musicians they, along with Mick, defined The Rolling Stones.
Comparing replacements, who could essentially be anyone, to the people who defined the thing is all kinds of wonky.
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TheflyingDutchman
That's a rather conservative point of view.
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Meise
Unlike Mick Taylor, Ronnie is able to play various instruments. Moreover, whereby MT has always stuck to his playing and sound style, RW supports several styles using a multitude of guitars.
But he's far more than a supporting guitarist to Keith on stage. During the Bigger Bang tour concert in Frankfurt, Keith was partly unable to play the guitar at all. There were several moments where he just stood there doing nothing but holding his guitar. In these cases, Ronnie took over Keith's parts which convinced me about his importance to the band.
Of course, Ronnie's personality have been the glue between Keith and Mick particularly in the 1980s
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TheflyingDutchman
That's a rather conservative point of view.
Kind of , but also not really.
It's just acknowledging that The Rolling Stones is about more than just music.
Thousands of guitarists could and do play technically far better than Brian or Keith. Many musicians could supposedly join and kick off creative peaks beyond anything they would ever be able to do before... but, all that is doing is just making it a different band.
It's like comparing other singers to Mick Jagger. In context, it's all meaningless because, along with Brian and Keith, he is The Rolling Stones.
Replace him with a different singer, even if he is obviously 'better', and it ceases to be The Rolling Stones.
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TheflyingDutchman
I don't understand your opinion that the Rolling Stones are more than just music??
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TheflyingDutchman
I would go as far as saying that in the end, Jagger is the only Rolling Stone that
is irreplaceable, cause he's the Roliing Stones' voice, literally.No instrument is as personal as the human voice.
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TheflyingDutchman
I would go as far as saying that in the end, Jagger is the only Rolling Stone that
is irreplaceable, cause he's the Roliing Stones' voice, literally.No instrument is as personal as the human voice.
This is amazing, but it's not The Rolling Stones.
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TheflyingDutchman
That's a rather conservative point of view.
Kind of , but also not really.
It's just acknowledging that The Rolling Stones is about more than just music.
Thousands of guitarists could and do play technically far better than Brian or Keith. Many musicians could supposedly join and kick off creative peaks beyond anything they would ever be able to do before... but, all that is doing is just making it a different band.
It's like comparing other singers to Mick Jagger. In context, it's all meaningless because, along with Brian and Keith, he is The Rolling Stones.
Replace him with a different singer, even if he is obviously 'better', and it ceases to be The Rolling Stones.
I don't understand your opinion that the Rolling Stones are more than just music??
Of course we cannot change the first version of the stones-jagger-Richatds-Wyman Watts. Jones. Compare this to a live version of say "Essen 1970" a completely different sound and band. What is original is not better per se, it'a matter of taste.
I would go as far as saying that in the end, Jagger is the only Rolling Stone that
is irreplaceable, cause he's the Roliing Stones' voice, literally.No instrument is as personal as the human voice. But hey, is it really important? Just enjoy the music.
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... I personally enjoy all the different versions of "The Rolling Stones".
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TheflyingDutchman
I know. Perfect Example. It isn't the Rolling Stones, it's Mick Jagger & company, actually when I listen to this, I forget the about the Stones, or strangely enough, I believe it is the Stones at their Musical best. On this very piece of music the Stones are overruled. I don't mean this out of disrespect or taking sides.
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His Majesty
But, with no Brian and Keith, it's not The Rolling Stones... just as Sticky, Exile, GHS, IORR etc aren't really.
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TheflyingDutchman
I would go as far as saying that in the end, Jagger is the only Rolling Stone that
is irreplaceable, cause he's the Roliing Stones' voice, literally.No instrument is as personal as the human voice.
This is amazing, but it's not The Rolling Stones.
[www.youtube.com]
I know. Perfect Example. It isn't the Rolling Stones, it's Mick Jagger & company, actually when I listen to this, I forget about the Stones, or strangely enough, I believe it is the Stones at their Musical best. On this very piece of music the Stones are overruled. I don't mean this out of disrespect or taking sides. It's my perception.
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TheflyingDutchman
I would go as far as saying that in the end, Jagger is the only Rolling Stone that
is irreplaceable, cause he's the Roliing Stones' voice, literally.No instrument is as personal as the human voice.
This is amazing, but it's not The Rolling Stones.
[www.youtube.com]
I know. Perfect Example. It isn't the Rolling Stones, it's Mick Jagger & company, actually when I listen to this, I forget about the Stones, or strangely enough, I believe it is the Stones at their Musical best. On this very piece of music the Stones are overruled. I don't mean this out of disrespect or taking sides. It's my perception.
I first heard "Memo From Turner" in some Rolling Stones Decca rarities collection, was it called COLLECTORS ONLY or something like that, and I was totally knocked by it. I didn't know anything of its origin, so I thought it was The Stones there. And at their very dirty best, pure BEGGARS BANQUET/LET IT BLEED era manner. So it was a huge disappointment later to learn that it's only Jagger of them there... Anyway, to me it belongs to Stones or Jagger/Richards classics from that era, next to all those streetfightingmans, gimmeshelters, synpathyforthedevils, straycatblueses, sistermorphines, etc.
Since this is a Ronnie Wood thread, WIKI claims that he played a version of "Memo From Turner" in some of his 1987/88 club gigs. Any truth in that? Bootleg testimony?
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Since this is a Ronnie Wood thread, WIKI claims that he played a version of "Memo From Turner" in some of his 1987/88 club gigs. Any truth in that? Bootleg testimony?
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Since this is a Ronnie Wood thread, WIKI claims that he played a version of "Memo From Turner" in some of his 1987/88 club gigs. Any truth in that? Bootleg testimony?
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He references it on a faces or Rod Stewart release. Can't remember which.
EDIT: Here it is
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TheflyingDutchman
I cannot answer your Ron Wood Question, but why were you disappointed to find out it's not the Stones playing Memo From Turner?
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Midnight Toker
The Stomes best records were with MT.
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Midnight Toker
The Stomes best records were with MT.
No they weren't.
Sticky Fingers
Exile
GHS
IORR
not the Stones best records surely these four in a row were their peak, four of the best in a row in 4 years.
Beggars Banquet (sans Taylor) is arguably better than all of those - definitely far better than the latter two imo.
And while I would currently name Exile as the best, Beggars, Let it Bleed, and Sticky Fingers sometimes get the nod.
As great as MT was, not everything recorded in the studio from his era can be considered "the best".
Live performances are another story though - everything he touched turned into GOLD... ... (including the 50 and Counting shows)!
I agree, plus Beggars and Let It Bleed don't have Ronnie on them, and that's the point.
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Hairball
I thought your point was "four of the best in a row in 4 years" were Sticky Fingers, Exile, GHS, and IORR, and that those were "their peak" (failing to mention Beggars) - at least that's how it read to me.
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TheflyingDutchman
I cannot answer your Ron Wood Question, but why were you disappointed to find out it's not the Stones playing Memo From Turner?
Well, because it sounded so damn good, and I wanted my favourite band to sound so good... I was thirteen years old...
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Midnight Toker
The Stomes best records were with MT.
These singles, plus at the very least these 3 albums say otherwise.
I Wanna Be Your Man
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Not Fade Away
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It's All Over Now
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Little Red Rooster
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The Last Time
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(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
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Get Off Of My Cloud
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19th Nervous Breakdown
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Pain't It Black
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Let's Spend The Night Together
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Ruby Tuesday
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We Love You
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Jumpin' Jack Flash
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