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Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: December 3, 2018 19:30

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IrelandCalling4

Just saw the CD in the local music shop, shrunk wrapped. Anyone obtained it and can tell how the packaging inside is done - lyrics, essay, many photos of the band in this CD reissue?

There're already pictures of it on [www.Discogs.com] .

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: December 7, 2018 00:13

“Barry Feinstein’s cover for the Rolling Stones Beggars Banquet album cover, shot in a Hollywood toilet! Released on this day in 1968.…”



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Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: stoneslib ()
Date: December 7, 2018 01:00

The 50th of Beggars gets press...

The Most Important Album of 1968 Wasn’t The White Album. It Was Beggars Banquet.
It saved the Rolling Stones, altered the trajectory of music history, and turns 50 this week.


Slate

By Jack Hamilton
Dec 06, 2018

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: December 7, 2018 01:46

Basically the new remaster is louder than previous remasters with peaks heavily limited. Usually the result of this kind of loud remaster is a flat sound due to lack of dynamic range. To me this is what's happening here.



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Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: RoughJusticeOnYa ()
Date: December 7, 2018 13:25

Clever observations, and really well written (imo).
I could 've done without the tiresome 'versus '-position towards 'the White album'/ Beatles;
but apart from that, I think this one sums it up quite nicely really.

50 years of BB

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: December 7, 2018 15:06

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kowalski
Basically the new remaster is louder than previous remasters with peaks heavily limited. Usually the result of this kind of loud remaster is a flat sound due to lack of dynamic range. To me this is what's happening here.
Well, you can say - they were trying to make it sound like old AM radio winking smiley.
Also, they cleaned glitch in Stray Cat Blues at 2:19 (the one that was very obvious at 2002 remaster) but add a new one at 2:01.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: January 3, 2019 12:09

I had sworn that I wouldn't buy the BB release as it had very little in the way of worthwhile extras .

Having had the opportunity to pick it up for the right money...I took the plunge and bought the vinyl.

Suffice is to say that I was very wrong !

The sound is superb . Probably the best sounding BB on vinyl since the original 60s pressings.

Actually Sounds like it was done by folks who care.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: floodonthepage ()
Date: January 3, 2019 18:27

Having bought this album many times over the years, I couldn't seen my way clear to buy a physical copy of this re-release, what with the garbage ABKCO packaging and all, but I did spring for buying the tracks on iTunes and then burned them to CD and printed my own "r.s.v.p." cover. Some of it works very well and sounds more brilliant than ever before, and some of it seems so widely panned that it's distracting. As someone pointed out before, "Factory Girl" sounds amazing on this 50th anniversary CD, like I'm sitting in the middle of a drum circle. But other tracks seem so drastically split that I don't get the direct power that I get from either the 2002 SACD or the Mono release.

Ultimately, it's nice to have, but I'm really looking forward to the RnR Circus re-release and hoping to high heaven that the packaging isn't as lousy as this 50th anniversary BB, or even as lousy as the first RnR Circus from 1996, with it's funky jewel case and label that almost immediately pealed off the top. Come on ABKCO, you can do this.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: January 4, 2019 10:24

You can always push the mono button ...the clarity is still there.winking smiley.

I can see how some folks might find a it a bit too different...but I found the 2002 digital re-master to be very hard and to lack transparency.

[ But I'm listening mostly on vinyl ...so mileage may differ.

To be honest, on one level I'm bloody annoyed !

I might now have to countenance that expensive RS records boxed set, which I had previously written of as a waste of time & money.
Maybe there's the odd interesting & refreshing gem amongst those albums too ?

The Abbey Road Exile is pretty good but I didn't find it quite so eye opening as this BB .]



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Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: January 5, 2019 05:37

Come on. Does it REALLY sound miles better than the 2002 SACD? I have that and it's incredible.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: January 5, 2019 10:38

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24FPS
Come on. Does it REALLY sound miles better than the 2002 SACD? I have that and it's incredible.

It's getting better all the time...wonder what's still buried in the original master tapes that only future technologies will be able to reveal - for the next generations of audiophiles.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: mtaylor ()
Date: January 6, 2019 22:29

Don't know if it has been posted.... anyway here it is


[www.youtube.com]

The Rolling Stones: Beggar's Banquet - Keith Richards discusses the 1968 release - Radio Broadcast

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: January 7, 2019 10:19

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24FPS
Come on. Does it REALLY sound miles better than the 2002 SACD? I have that and it's incredible.

The new one is refreshingly different.

When I said the best since the original...maybe I should qualify my comments a little .

In terms of the overall effect, and to be a definitive version , it's maybe a little too different from the sound of theold classic album that we all know inside out.

That said, those differences offer fresh insights that I think make it a must buy for committed fans.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Date: January 9, 2019 16:36

Got it yesterday. It's a bit cheaper put together than the Satanic-release, but it sounds marvelous.

After listening to the mono version for a while it took a few spins to get used to the lone bass track in the left speaker during Parachute Woman and the panning in general.

A nice release, but they could have given us more. For Satanic they included a booklet, a stereo cd, a mono cd + the album in stereo and in mono on vinyl. The fexi disc-interview and the SFTD mono-single didn't really do the trick.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Lien ()
Date: February 5, 2019 17:39

The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus soundtrack album will be reissued by ABKCO in May/June as a 3xLP set, the first time it has ever been released on vinyl.

The third disc in the set will be made up of previously unreleased material from the 1968 TV special.


[www.uncut.co.uk]

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: runrudolph ()
Date: February 5, 2019 18:25

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Lien
The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus soundtrack album will be reissued by ABKCO in May/June as a 3xLP set, the first time it has ever been released on vinyl.

The third disc in the set will be made up of previously unreleased material from the 1968 TV special.


[www.uncut.co.uk]
Thanks Lien
Jeroen



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Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: February 5, 2019 18:59

Good information, thanks. Wonder what's the reason for 19th Nervous Breakdown. Maybe there's another release as well?

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: February 5, 2019 19:09

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frankotero
Good information, thanks. Wonder what's the reason for 19th Nervous Breakdown. Maybe there's another release as well?

It's a new lyric video to mark the 53rd anniversary of its release in the UK.


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: February 5, 2019 19:26

Hi Deltics. That's the only reason? I mean it's kind of cool but they never did that before, did they?

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: February 5, 2019 19:47

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Lien
The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus soundtrack album will be reissued by ABKCO in May/June as a 3xLP set, the first time it has ever been released on vinyl.

The third disc in the set will be made up of previously unreleased material from the 1968 TV special.


[www.uncut.co.uk]

If it's TRUE, looks very interesting.
There must have been some agreement between the two camps as ABKCO can't just release any unissued stuff. Assuming it covers TV shows, that is.
You would think it might have been released in April to tie in with the US tour and therefore gain maximum publicity.
Oh, forgot, April is when we get a new Stones album, isn't it?

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: February 5, 2019 19:56

Before anyone gets too excited it's worth referring to the "Variety" article posted in the first post of this thread:
"This new reissue features:
– a DVD/ Blu-Ray of the performances in wide-screen Dolby Vision, with audio in Dolby Atmos;
– a full-color booklet;
– audio CDs or vinyl editions — including several previously unreleased tracks, most excitingly a brief but previously unreleased rehearsals of the Beatles’ “Revolution” and “Yer Blues” performed by John Lennon with Yoko Ono, Eric Clapton on guitar, Keith Richards on bass and Jimi Hendrix Experience drummer Mitch Mitchell. Sadly, there is no new material from the Stones"

[variety.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"



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Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: February 5, 2019 20:01

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frankotero
Hi Deltics. That's the only reason? I mean it's kind of cool but they never did that before, did they?

They do it regularly.
[www.youtube.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: Ragnbert ()
Date: February 5, 2019 21:06

If it is so that ABKCO can't release anything unissued we can never expect anything special from future anniversary releases either?

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: February 6, 2019 12:21

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Ragnbert
If it is so that ABKCO can't release anything unissued we can never expect anything special from future anniversary releases either?

Probably not, partly because any and all unreleased outtakes, works in progress and alternative recordings from 1968 and before are now public domain.

They have 11 months to protect any 1969 alts etc.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: February 6, 2019 12:50

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His Majesty
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Ragnbert
If it is so that ABKCO can't release anything unissued we can never expect anything special from future anniversary releases either?

Probably not, partly because any and all unreleased outtakes, works in progress and alternative recordings from 1968 and before are now public domain.

They have 11 months to protect any 1969 alts etc.

Surely that means then that any 'unprotected' material could then be released without fear of litigation?

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: February 6, 2019 12:53

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jlowe


Surely that means then that any 'unprotected' material could then be released without fear of litigation?


Essentially, yes.

But, gaining access to recordings is a problem and there's still the issue of copyright for the actual songs.



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Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: February 6, 2019 13:29

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His Majesty
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jlowe


Surely that means then that any 'unprotected' material could then be released without fear of litigation?


Essentially, yes.

But, gaining access to recordings is a problem and there's still the issue of copyright for the actual songs.

Good point...but it hasn't stopped lots of the old blues recordings being repackaged time and time again.(for example).

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: February 6, 2019 14:56

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jlowe


Good point...but it hasn't stopped lots of the old blues recordings being repackaged time and time again.(for example).

Same with stones stuff pre 1969.

Some are grey area bootlegs though as they feature protected recordings in amongst the non protected stuff.

At the very least, by not protecting their recordings via an official release, ABKCO are leaving things very open for anyone to release them. What they have protected has been rather odd and at times dubious as to whether they have the rights.



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Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: February 6, 2019 17:30

In theory then, could a recording of @#$%& Blues finally get a release?
It would be in the Public Domain, 50 years since recording fairly soon.
The composers would get a royalty fee though.
Its listed on the ASCAP database.
Strangely, EMI/ Colgems are listed as Publishers of the written song, not ABKCO Publishing.

Re: Beggars Banquet, One Plus One and Rock and Roll Circus 50th anniversary sets
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: February 6, 2019 19:44

Depends when it was last released officially?

If you mean the song, without access to original tape(s), it'd probably just be what ever was used for bootlegs.



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