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It's unfortunate for Wyman's legacy that the beginning of the Stones' best era as a live act coincided with him leaving the band.
Would we have had those swaggering, uninhibited performances during 1994/5 with a motionless Wyman onstage?
Bill's departure seemed to release the Stones back to their roots.
A capable bassist, but Darryl Jones is a far better fit for the band.
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IMO they lost a bit of their magic when Bill left. I miss his wobble. While DJ is obviously talented, it hasn't been the same for me since.
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Soon it's been 27 years without Bill Wyman, not 25. He quit in 1991, and didn't join the band for making the Highwire and Sex Drive-videos.
And Darryl joined in 1993, or 1994?
Darryl joined in 1993 if we count the recording sessions. Bill is indeed part of the "Sex Drive" music video. Perhaps you were distracted by the models. I'm sure Bill was.
Then it was Highwire
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Soon it's been 27 years without Bill Wyman, not 25. He quit in 1991, and didn't join the band for making the Highwire and Sex Drive-videos.
And Darryl joined in 1993, or 1994?
Darryl joined in 1993 if we count the recording sessions. Bill is indeed part of the "Sex Drive" music video. Perhaps you were distracted by the models. I'm sure Bill was.
Then it was Highwire
As he explained in that 1991 French interview for Stone Alone [www.youtube.com], he couldn't be present for the filming of that one music video because he had to be elsewhere for legal proceedings relating to the termination of his marriage to Mandy Smith. He still played on the studio recording, didn't he?
Below, Bill Wyman on September 1, 1991.
It's been 25 years since Bill Wyman announced he was leaving the band: [www.youtube.com]
Mick Jagger revealed the impending move in December 1992, and Bill admits he told the band in 1991 that he wasn't interested in carrying on. But why make an announcement before further band activity, until one is sure there is still something left to leave?
So, officially, in the eyes of the public, Bill was a Rolling Stone from 1962 to 1993, or 30 years -- 25 years ago now.
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I was pissed when Bill left. Then I heard Voodoo Lounge and thought they'd be okay because Darryl basically sounded like Bill on songs like Love Is Strong and You Got Me Rocking. Then something happened, stubbornness, laziness, was told not to by 'the boys', who knows. Darryl's playing rapidly deteriorated within the group and never picked back up again. I think Bill's playing suffered a little bit in the late 60s, but he came roaring back, getting better and better, and was a main part of their sound from Miss You through Harlem Shuffle. I can listen to Start Me Up and analyze all the different little things Bill did to push the song forward. I cannot think of one Darryl Jones cut on a Stones song where I hear anything above what a run of the mill bass player would add. And, on stage, Darryl almost stubbornly won't put those little classic bass notes where they belong on songs. I ask, seriously, any of those who claim to prefer Darryl, what exactly it is about his playing they prefer.
Bill is different in that he's in the DNA of the group. His contribution to the chemistry is inescapable. They all grew up together as musicians. Brian was the most advanced when they first formed, but the others caught up and eventually passed Brian as he lost interest, laziness, drug addled, whatever. I used to watch my Four Flicks and The Biggest Bang DVD sets regularly. Then they started releasing vintage product with Bill playing on basically the same songs, and I haven't watched 4Flicks and Bigger B DVDs since. They are a fully functioning, fully contributing band with Bill. He was their anchor. Darryl by comparison is just kind of off to the side going through the motions. Yeah, Keith smiles at him a lot as if something is happening, but that's because Bill was an equal and didn't have to smile at any of them.
Look, Bill didn't want to stay. He looks kind of disengaged on the Steel Wheels/Urban Jungle tours, but he could still be brilliant at times, like Harlem Shuffle on the Tokyo DVD. Yes, the Stones were a lesser group after his departure. Yes, they had continued success, especially as a live act, but that's more to do with no competition. I guess the most noticeable difference is that without Bill the Stones don't hit you in the gut anymore. Bill is a rocker, Darryl is a jazzer. Keith understands, and said so, basically calling Bill THE Stones bass player.
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dave9199
Wyman never stood out much to me. I rarely think of him with the albums he's on. That includes Ron Wood also but that's because I can't tell Wood from Richards.
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Wyman never stood out much to me. I rarely think of him with the albums he's on. That includes Ron Wood also but that's because I can't tell Wood from Richards.
Really? You don't hear him on Miss You? He's only like 90% of the music you remember from the song. Start Me Up? The song really gets fun when Bill comes in. Bitch? Darryl is almost forced to play the right notes on Bitch because it's so integral to the song. Just My Imagination? Under My Thumb? Hell, the spine to Satisfaction is Bill's counter melody. Monkey Man? His Bo Diddley bombs on 19th Nervous Breakdown? His delicate shadings on No Expectations and Angie? His tour de force on Harlem Shuffle? No? I can understand Ron Wood not standing out, his very style seems based on Keith, but Bill? Distinctive. He could do more with one note than Darryl doing his Stanley Clarke imitation for an hour.
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I was pissed when Bill left. Then I heard Voodoo Lounge and thought they'd be okay because Darryl basically sounded like Bill on songs like Love Is Strong and You Got Me Rocking. Then something happened, stubbornness, laziness, was told not to by 'the boys', who knows. Darryl's playing rapidly deteriorated within the group and never picked back up again. I think Bill's playing suffered a little bit in the late 60s, but he came roaring back, getting better and better, and was a main part of their sound from Miss You through Harlem Shuffle. I can listen to Start Me Up and analyze all the different little things Bill did to push the song forward. I cannot think of one Darryl Jones cut on a Stones song where I hear anything above what a run of the mill bass player would add. And, on stage, Darryl almost stubbornly won't put those little classic bass notes where they belong on songs. I ask, seriously, any of those who claim to prefer Darryl, what exactly it is about his playing they prefer.
Bill is different in that he's in the DNA of the group. His contribution to the chemistry is inescapable. They all grew up together as musicians. Brian was the most advanced when they first formed, but the others caught up and eventually passed Brian as he lost interest, laziness, drug addled, whatever. I used to watch my Four Flicks and The Biggest Bang DVD sets regularly. Then they started releasing vintage product with Bill playing on basically the same songs, and I haven't watched 4Flicks and Bigger B DVDs since. They are a fully functioning, fully contributing band with Bill. He was their anchor. Darryl by comparison is just kind of off to the side going through the motions. Yeah, Keith smiles at him a lot as if something is happening, but that's because Bill was an equal and didn't have to smile at any of them.
Look, Bill didn't want to stay. He looks kind of disengaged on the Steel Wheels/Urban Jungle tours, but he could still be brilliant at times, like Harlem Shuffle on the Tokyo DVD. Yes, the Stones were a lesser group after his departure. Yes, they had continued success, especially as a live act, but that's more to do with no competition. I guess the most noticeable difference is that without Bill the Stones don't hit you in the gut anymore. Bill is a rocker, Darryl is a jazzer. Keith understands, and said so, basically calling Bill THE Stones bass player.
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Send It To me
No offense to bass players, but...it's the bass. You gotta really listen for it to even hear the line most of the time. Not saying it's not important, but it's almost subconscious.
As long as someone keeps good time and stays in the pocket, does it really matter that much?
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Send It To me
No offense to bass players, but...it's the bass. You gotta really listen for it to even hear the line most of the time. Not saying it's not important, but it's almost subconscious. As long as someone keeps good time and stays in the pocket, does it really matter that much?