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"England has 4 shows on sale and all in bigger venues than the PGE Narodowy. England has 52/53 million people and Poland 38 million".
That's right, grzegor67. BTW, given that (a) the Stones added second gig at London stadium and (b) Old Trafford seems to be close to sold out, we can guess that ticket sales in England are not exactly poor sales...
They have more shows per capita than Poland. And don’t forget that the Principality Stadium in Cardiff, Wales - a huge stadium, is within easy reach of very large populations in England.
London Stadium 1, Twickenham and Old Trafford are all selling well. Sales appear to be much slower at London Stadium 2 and Cardiff.
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I'm sure it's been discussed many times before in other threads, but how much roughly do you think each of the 4 get for a show in London etc. ? After expenses.
Based on other big bands, it's probably pretty close to a million each per show;
if you look at gross per stadium show being 8-10m for a 50k stadium; take 25% off for promoters and another 25% off for touring costs (set up, crew, rest of band), then you're left with approx 4-5m for the band.
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Promoters don't make any money off Stones shows, they do it for the prestige. The promoter of the Australian tour in 2014 became legendary because he actually made a profit of a Stones tour - but it was measured in cents not dollars!
I think the promoters will be ok. Take London stadium for example. The promoter needs to pay the Stones 5 million quid for their fee. Assume the promoter then needs to spend another 5 million on costs (venue hire, promotion, insurance, legal etc). So 10 mill in costs.
If they sell 1000 put tix at 500 each that’s 500,000
Then say 6,000 good circle tix at 250 each gives 1.5 million
Then assume they sell another 60,000 tix at an average of £150 each, gives 9 million.
And it makes sense to do a second show because a lot of these costs (promo, legal, insurance) are largely fixed anyway regardless of how many shows, so the cost of putting on a second show might be only 7 million. So they could conceivably sell only, say, 45,000 at the second show and they would be ok.
Can you tell me where you are getting those numbers from please? I'd be interested if you can substantiate any of them. All information I've ever seen suggests that the Stones squeeze everything they can out of the promoters, leaving nothing for them.
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From those figures I assume they have to sell something like 1/3 - 1/2 of the tickets to cover all the cost, more than a half is a pure promoter's profit. So don't get fooled with words about prestige and other touching fairytales, it is only about money of course and in the end, if it is a sell-out, the promoter gets more than the "greedy" Stones. And if it is not a sell-out, the promoter still gets piles and piles of money.
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From those figures I assume they have to sell something like 1/3 - 1/2 of the tickets to cover all the cost, more than a half is a pure promoter's profit. So don't get fooled with words about prestige and other touching fairytales, it is only about money of course and in the end, if it is a sell-out, the promoter gets more than the "greedy" Stones. And if it is not a sell-out, the promoter still gets piles and piles of money.
Thanks Happy24. When I need some inside info about what I'm involved in as part of my career, I'll come to you...
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I believe 2nd Warsaw show would be an easy sellout too, just can't imagine that happening to be honest.
The great buzz about this show is due few reasons:
- Many younger fans didn't see Stones before as they were too young back in 2007
- Stones built their legacy as the most legendary touring band on the plant
- Loads of press coverage incl. TV documentaries and books about the historical Warsaw 1967 shows
- Polish population is slowly getting richer, especially in big cities like Warsaw, and can afford spending 100-200€ for a concert.
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From those figures I assume they have to sell something like 1/3 - 1/2 of the tickets to cover all the cost, more than a half is a pure promoter's profit. So don't get fooled with words about prestige and other touching fairytales, it is only about money of course and in the end, if it is a sell-out, the promoter gets more than the "greedy" Stones. And if it is not a sell-out, the promoter still gets piles and piles of money.
Thanks Happy24. When I need some inside info about what I'm involved in as part of my career, I'll come to you...
syrel
Syrel, feel free to ask of course, but I have no inside info, all those figures are taken from the promoter's facebook.
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From those figures I assume they have to sell something like 1/3 - 1/2 of the tickets to cover all the cost, more than a half is a pure promoter's profit. So don't get fooled with words about prestige and other touching fairytales, it is only about money of course and in the end, if it is a sell-out, the promoter gets more than the "greedy" Stones. And if it is not a sell-out, the promoter still gets piles and piles of money.
Thanks Happy24. When I need some inside info about what I'm involved in as part of my career, I'll come to you...
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Syrel, feel free to ask of course, but I have no inside info, all those figures are taken from the promoter's facebook.
[www.facebook.com]
And that is exactly my point - you are using publicly available information about grosses to infer private contractual information about revenue splits. It's like saying the average income in the UK is £25,000 so everyone is fine.
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From those figures I assume they have to sell something like 1/3 - 1/2 of the tickets to cover all the cost, more than a half is a pure promoter's profit. So don't get fooled with words about prestige and other touching fairytales, it is only about money of course and in the end, if it is a sell-out, the promoter gets more than the "greedy" Stones. And if it is not a sell-out, the promoter still gets piles and piles of money.
Thanks Happy24. When I need some inside info about what I'm involved in as part of my career, I'll come to you...
syrel
Syrel, feel free to ask of course, but I have no inside info, all those figures are taken from the promoter's facebook.
[www.facebook.com]
And that is exactly my point - you are using publicly available information about grosses to infer private contractual information about revenue splits. It's like saying the average income in the UK is £25,000 so everyone is fine.
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I clearly stated, what I did - I multiplied the publicly known ammount of tickets and publicky known prices. Then I clearly stated what I assume from those figures. I never stated I had any inside info or anything. You clearly have a different opinion, which is fine, but please don't attack me that I pretend to have an inside info since I have never indicated anything like that
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Some people are Polish people - fans on Internet, but fan who writes something in Internet can be troll or president or from media.
Well, based on how fast this show sold out, it would be quite 'safe' to do a second show in Warsaw. Looks like the Polish people are more hungry for tickets than the English people in the homeland of the boys, which is a bit surprising. Who knows?
England has 4 shows on sale and all in bigger venues than the PGE Narodowy. England has 52/53 million people and Poland 38 million.
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Some people are Polish people - fans on Internet, but fan who writes something in Internet can be troll or president or from media.
Well, based on how fast this show sold out, it would be quite 'safe' to do a second show in Warsaw. Looks like the Polish people are more hungry for tickets than the English people in the homeland of the boys, which is a bit surprising. Who knows?
England has 4 shows on sale and all in bigger venues than the PGE Narodowy. England has 52/53 million people and Poland 38 million.
All true. But the speed in which Warsaw was sold out, is quite remarkable.
I just did expect the UK shows would sell out quicker (in spite of the huge stadiums and amount of shows). The UK is their homeland and I'm sure there's lots of fans out there, but it also seems that other large parts of the population don't care that much.
I think that a relative small country as the Netherlands with 16 million people (where I live) would sell out 4 shows pretty easy.
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Some people are Polish people - fans on Internet, but fan who writes something in Internet can be troll or president or from media.
Well, based on how fast this show sold out, it would be quite 'safe' to do a second show in Warsaw. Looks like the Polish people are more hungry for tickets than the English people in the homeland of the boys, which is a bit surprising. Who knows?
England has 4 shows on sale and all in bigger venues than the PGE Narodowy. England has 52/53 million people and Poland 38 million.
All true. But the speed in which Warsaw was sold out, is quite remarkable.
I just did expect the UK shows would sell out quicker (in spite of the huge stadiums and amount of shows). The UK is their homeland and I'm sure there's lots of fans out there, but it also seems that other large parts of the population don't care that much.
I think that a relative small country as the Netherlands with 16 million people (where I live) would sell out 4 shows pretty easy.
Yeap, just look at how Stockholm or Copenhagen was selling the last year - absolutely no problem to get tickets pretty much in all cathegories, even Pit was easy to get and it was cheaper than this year in Warshaw. I can't see any logic in that, except that the demand in Poland is much higher and people just want to see The Stones no matter what.
I really can not guess how Prague will sell - common sense tells me that with those prices it will sell slowly, but I can imagine it will be just as with Warshaw. I am really confused, it is absolutely unpredictable.
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I'm gonna have to try the Twitter contact too, checked wrong address box on the ticket.
I would think they'd have all the "important information" such as our address in our profile, no?
In the same boat, angee.
I am also assuming the account info stored will be used, have tix for four shows with a mixture of Lucky Dips and GC.. including a *single LD for Manchester.
Gonna wait for the dust to settle a bit more and try to contact to switch all to will call..
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Is anyone else wondering whether the 2nd Manchester show may actually not happen? When it was on the rumoured list I thought it was a gimme, but the longer this goes on the less confident I am. The fact that the band's twitter feed sent out a message specifically about Manchester last night makes me wonder if it's not selling as well as expected (of course, it could just be to mop up a few 'undecideds' before announcing the next show).
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Is anyone else wondering whether the 2nd Manchester show may actually not happen? When it was on the rumoured list I thought it was a gimme, but the longer this goes on the less confident I am. The fact that the band's twitter feed sent out a message specifically about Manchester last night makes me wonder if it's not selling as well as expected (of course, it could just be to mop up a few 'undecideds' before announcing the next show).
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Is anyone else wondering whether the 2nd Manchester show may actually not happen? When it was on the rumoured list I thought it was a gimme, but the longer this goes on the less confident I am. The fact that the band's twitter feed sent out a message specifically about Manchester last night makes me wonder if it's not selling as well as expected (of course, it could just be to mop up a few 'undecideds' before announcing the next show).
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I'd be amazed. From my experience bands only announce an additional date when the first one sells out rapid. The 5th June show hasn't.
8 out of the 13 sections are available. The other day only 2 sections were available, but I have looked at AMEX presale and most of them have gone since the other day. So they are just moving them around from different selling channels. If the Stones had mentioned in that last Facebook/twitter post that they had released extra GA tix they would probably move them.Quote
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Is anyone else wondering whether the 2nd Manchester show may actually not happen? When it was on the rumoured list I thought it was a gimme, but the longer this goes on the less confident I am. The fact that the band's twitter feed sent out a message specifically about Manchester last night makes me wonder if it's not selling as well as expected (of course, it could just be to mop up a few 'undecideds' before announcing the next show).
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Is anyone else wondering whether the 2nd Manchester show may actually not happen? When it was on the rumoured list I thought it was a gimme, but the longer this goes on the less confident I am. The fact that the band's twitter feed sent out a message specifically about Manchester last night makes me wonder if it's not selling as well as expected (of course, it could just be to mop up a few 'undecideds' before announcing the next show).
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well, as I mentioned before: When the rumors of the UK tour came up I had the feeling that there might be too many shows in the UK. To sell out all these shows 1 in 165 Britons has to buy a ticket…
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well, as I mentioned before: When the rumors of the UK tour came up I had the feeling that there might be too many shows in the UK. To sell out all these shows 1 in 165 Britons has to buy a ticket…