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Javadave
Bjork and Shakira play a form of rock'n'roll?<<<<
Bjork's music is electronic inspired, but most record stores file her in their a Rock sections. Shakira plays "Rock En Espanol", and has the best set of Rock & Roll hips since Tina Turner.
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RollingFreak
Its very hard to be a "rock star" in the conventional sense of the word these days. I question whether we truly have any. People like Taylor Momsen... they're fine, and actually don't mind their music, but the gimmick is her. Same with this band Halestorm. They are good singers and good performers, but what sets them apart is they are women. Which is great cause we need more women in rock. But I don't necessarily see anything "special" in them. Or at least no more than many other frontmen these days. Taylor doesn't harp on that connection, in fact she completely rejects it, but it will always be there. IMO she's not like a Joan Jett, or even a Miley Cyrus, who I actually do think is unique and has the credentials to back that up. Most of the rock stars these days are passably fine, but rather interchangeable. I think "rock stars" are a very antiquated idea these days unfortunately because I think any that we may have today are either trying too hard or don't have the material to actually back up their status. Rock stars of the 70s had an image but also great music to propel them even further and feed off of. Today, most "rock stars" have fairly generic music, which I don't mind but do feel is the truth.
Gene Simmons is a bonehead although I have yet to see anyone truly explain why he is wrong. They don't want it to be true, and I get that there's a lot of music underground that would maybe go against his point. Mainstream rock for the most part is dead, he is not wrong, and even on the underground circuit there's good stuff, but that spirit of rock and roll largely isn't there anymore, or its greatly changed. And I'm not sure why many people deny that. That is why when a band like Greta Van Fleet comes on the scene it gets an insane amount of traction. Cause there's nothing terribly special about them, but its a sound and a spirit that is largely gone. For lack of a better phrase, they basically get touted because they are the best we have. If rock was alive, I don't think they'd be as big of a deal and thats not a knock to them. Gene Simmons is an idiot, but I think he's right on that point. Rock is dead and its why we also don't really have rock stars anymore.
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Big Al
'Rock music' is very much alive; it's just no-longer the dominant genre. I don't follow the current scene particularly, but I know there's plenty out there if you really look.
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RollingFreak
Gene Simmons is a bonehead although I have yet to see anyone truly explain why he is wrong. They don't want it to be true, and I get that there's a lot of music underground that would maybe go against his point. Mainstream rock for the most part is dead, he is not wrong, and even on the underground circuit there's good stuff, but that spirit of rock and roll largely isn't there anymore, or its greatly changed. And I'm not sure why many people deny that. That is why when a band like Greta Van Fleet comes on the scene it gets an insane amount of traction. Cause there's nothing terribly special about them, but its a sound and a spirit that is largely gone. For lack of a better phrase, they basically get touted because they are the best we have. If rock was alive, I don't think they'd be as big of a deal and thats not a knock to them. Gene Simmons is an idiot, but I think he's right on that point. Rock is dead and its why we also don't really have rock stars anymore.
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RollingFreak
Gene Simmons is a bonehead although I have yet to see anyone truly explain why he is wrong. They don't want it to be true, and I get that there's a lot of music underground that would maybe go against his point. Mainstream rock for the most part is dead, he is not wrong, and even on the underground circuit there's good stuff, but that spirit of rock and roll largely isn't there anymore, or its greatly changed. And I'm not sure why many people deny that. That is why when a band like Greta Van Fleet comes on the scene it gets an insane amount of traction. Cause there's nothing terribly special about them, but its a sound and a spirit that is largely gone. For lack of a better phrase, they basically get touted because they are the best we have. If rock was alive, I don't think they'd be as big of a deal and thats not a knock to them. Gene Simmons is an idiot, but I think he's right on that point. Rock is dead and its why we also don't really have rock stars anymore.
Consider the past: in the late 1970s, disco was huge. Rock music was still around. SOME GIRLS, for the Stones at least, is a great comment on that fact.
In the mid-1980s, pop music was huge. In the mid-late to late 1980s, rock music was still around. The Cult with ELECTRIC, Guns'N'Roses, even Aerosmith. Bruce Springsteen. Oh and the Stones. I know there are others, like Bon Jovi, but you get the point.
And at that time Soundgarden was coming up. What would become Pearl Jam was coming up. Nirvana. Stone Temple Pilots. Etc.
Rock music isn't dead. Gene Simmons' brain is dead.
Rock stars, on the other hand, is probably more of a historical behavioural aspect than rock music being (enter cultural aspect here). To some degree there will always be a rock star. Whether it's national or international probably won't really matter at some point.
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mr_dja
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading biographies on artists, but I miss the elusive, off-kilter, operating in the shadows of society stars of yesteryear.
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mr_dja
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading biographies on artists, but I miss the elusive, off-kilter, operating in the shadows of society stars of yesteryear.
Major reason I hate that every musician these days is in a million bands. I understand why, because its hard to make a living as a touring musician these days so you need a lot of avenues and outlets, but you literally have no time to "miss" anyone these days. They are always around for the most part. Which is nice in some respects, but I miss the days of seeing a band every 2-3 years and them truly disappearing and building interest in between that time. It resulted in better more worthwhile and lasting projects as well.
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RollingFreak
I'm not trying to get into a "rock is or is not dead" argument here, cause I already sense Hairball starting to fire up at the thought
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Gene Simmons is a bonehead although I have yet to see anyone truly explain why he is wrong. They don't want it to be true, and I get that there's a lot of music underground that would maybe go against his point. Mainstream rock for the most part is dead, he is not wrong, and even on the underground circuit there's good stuff, but that spirit of rock and roll largely isn't there anymore, or its greatly changed. And I'm not sure why many people deny that. That is why when a band like Greta Van Fleet comes on the scene it gets an insane amount of traction. Cause there's nothing terribly special about them, but its a sound and a spirit that is largely gone. For lack of a better phrase, they basically get touted because they are the best we have. If rock was alive, I don't think they'd be as big of a deal and thats not a knock to them. Gene Simmons is an idiot, but I think he's right on that point. Rock is dead and its why we also don't really have rock stars anymore.
Consider the past: in the late 1970s, disco was huge. Rock music was still around. SOME GIRLS, for the Stones at least, is a great comment on that fact.
In the mid-1980s, pop music was huge. In the mid-late to late 1980s, rock music was still around. The Cult with ELECTRIC, Guns'N'Roses, even Aerosmith. Bruce Springsteen. Oh and the Stones. I know there are others, like Bon Jovi, but you get the point.
And at that time Soundgarden was coming up. What would become Pearl Jam was coming up. Nirvana. Stone Temple Pilots. Etc.
Rock music isn't dead. Gene Simmons' brain is dead.
Rock stars, on the other hand, is probably more of a historical behavioural aspect than rock music being (enter cultural aspect here). To some degree there will always be a rock star. Whether it's national or international probably won't really matter at some point.
True, but as always with most people, you stopped listing anything past the 90s. And its all the old standbys. I do get what you're saying, but it looks silly saying "rock music isn't dead" when your most recent example is Stone Temple Pilots. I'm not asking you for more current examples (although if you wanted to thats fine), but just pointing out the irony. When Green Day took the world over (again) with American Idiot, I'd say their frontman Billie Joe Armstrong was a bona fide rock star. I'd argue Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters is a bona fide rock star. But even those two that I really like I'd concede are rather "rock star" lite, which speaks for their music as well. And again I'm a fan. They have flashes of classic rock star elements, yet also don't truly have their own personas or anything. Dave Grohl is basically your amalgamation of ALL rock stars, which is cool but again just works in this day and age cause there really aren't any.
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Leonioid
rock'n'roll must be dead.
Nah... Rock and Roll will never die... As long as guys like Ronnie Wood, Bård Andersson, Neil Young are still out here smiling, rocking and rolling and having a good time rock and roll is alive and well.
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Leonioid
rock'n'roll IS NOT dead.
Nah... Rock and Roll will never die... As long as guys like Ronnie Wood, Bård Andersson, Neil Young are still out here smiling, rocking and rolling and having a good time rock and roll is alive and well.
But this is a fact: That whole generation is dying off. What happens in a very few years when that whole school of rockers is either too old to play, or gone?
I believe there are plenty of rockers out there. But they look and sound different now; and one must look with new eyes.
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Hairball
Alot of the new and young rock bands come across as manufactured - not all of them of course, but that's the impression I get with some of them.
Even this "phenomenon" called Greta Van Fleet - I've seen and heard a couple of interviews where they say their influences are Dylan, the Who, etc. Sounds like someone (maybe their dad or uncle?) is coaching them to make them seem legitimate...giving them a crash course in rock history and force feeding them Zeppelin style rock in which they they then regurgitate. Without the guidance of their manager (or dad or uncle), they would probably be more like Hansen . But I could be totally wrong and they're completely authentic and sincere....the great new hope for saving rock and roll...lol