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MonkeyMan2000
Can you imagine Keith playing guitar in a big band? I don't care, he's still my favorite guitarist...
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CousinC
I see what Blueranger means. Charlie is a VERY limited drummer technically.
His Jazz roots are overvalued imo. He plays jazz like he plays rock.
If he has fun with these projects its ok.But he doesn't look that good beside such skilled musicians.
Charlie was good in the Stones and had some great moments like on YaYa's - but a lot of pale performances as well, - live and studio.
The Stones don't need technical wizards.But there are quite a few drummer that would have fit as well.Kenny Jones is one of them.
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MonkeyMan2000
DandelionPowderman, I love that one. It came to my mind also when I wrote the comment. But Keith certainly didn't have to worry about weird key changes and playing different scales every two measures on that track, it's basically just a very slow blues with horns
Another thought: Can you imagine Keith playing his Malaguena thing on stage with somebody like Paco de Lucia? Would love to see the look on his face when he finds out how you have to pluck the strings in order to play real Flamenco
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Koen
They should be honored that Charlie played with them.
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Koen
But then where did all that negativity come from?
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They should be honored that Charlie played with them.
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Koen
They should be honored that Charlie played with them.
They were honured to play with him, but only because he is a legendary Rolling Stone. Performance-wise it was a near-disaster and if he wasn't who he is, they would have laughed and just showed him where the door is.
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Koen
But then where did all that negativity come from?
Purists who don't play themselves..
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Koen
But then where did all that negativity come from?
Purists who don't play themselves..
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Koen
But then where did all that negativity come from?
Purists who don't play themselves..
..and who are often so far up their own intelectual backsides that they couldn't respond to music on any emotional level if it was played by their own mothers !
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CousinC
I see what Blueranger means. Charlie is a VERY limited drummer technically.
His Jazz roots are overvalued imo. He plays jazz like he plays rock.
If he has fun with these projects its ok.But he doesn't look that good beside such skilled musicians.
Charlie was good in the Stones and had some great moments like on YaYa's - but a lot of pale performances as well, - live and studio.
The Stones don't need technical wizards.But there are quite a few drummer that would have fit as well.Kenny Jones is one of them.
It's the same for rock, isn't it?
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Rockman
Wonder what they think of Joey Kramer .......
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Koen
But then where did all that negativity come from?
Purists who don't play themselves..
..and who are often so far up their own intelectual backsides that they couldn't respond to music on any emotional level if it was played by their own mothers !
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Koen
But then where did all that negativity come from?
Purists who don't play themselves..
..and who are often so far up their own intelectual backsides that they couldn't respond to music on any emotional level if it was played by their own mothers !
See, now it's a 'them vs. us'-thing again, which is not very sophisticated, either. There is nothing wrong with being a purist, just as there is nothing wrong by not being one.
Actually the above comment are signs of someone who can't discuss on an interllectual level and thereby goes on personal 'attacks' instead. Very unsophisticated.
You'll have to discriminate here. Charlie playing alongside technically skilled musicians, and looked upon by someone who doesn't know him or his past, are perfectly right to look at him from their point of view, when they are normally used to hear musicians at a more complex level.
Big Stones-fan here, but just putting people from the jazz-world down, because they think something else than us, is not a very 'grown up' thing to do.
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liddas
As I see it.
1 Charlie Watts is a great musician.
2 I perfectly understand why his let's call it "vocabulary" in jazz music appears limited. But assuming, for the sake of discussion, that indeed it is limited, does anybody here seriously believe that it is so because Charlie Watts can't do any better? Of course he can/could!!! As a matter of fact, Charlie's style is what he wants it to be. If he wanted to be a Søren Frost, he could easily have been a Søren Frost. You do not need talent to practice drum rolls. You need talent to produce great music!!!! Søren Frost is not a good drummer because he is technically better than Charlie Watts, but because he plays good music.
3 History has proven that Charlie Watts' choice was right.
4 Charlie Watts cooperation with the Danish Radio Big Band is a musical experiment. And the experiment is not to see if Charlie Watts has undisclosed Søren Frost talents. The experiment is let's put together artists with different background and see what happens.
5 I haven't yet met a jazz drummer or other "technical" drummer (and I know lots of them) who knows Charlie Watts and does not admire him / see the greatness in his drumming
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p.s. 6 I have met many jazz drummer or other "technical" drummer who THINK they can easily drum like Charlie Watts and in fact cannot.