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There's still ZERO proof that they've recorded anything new.
Mick: "… and the Stones have recorded some really nice things. But we haven’t finished the album yet"
[www.reuters.com]
Not sure if this counts as proof but it is as much confirmation that something has been recorded and things are in some sort of progress as you can get. And if we are to believe Mick, they even recorded a few things that are fine with him.
When Mick says, "I’ve been writing a lot, and I’ve done a load of demos" this almost sounds like he wants to make it clear that he is delivering his dues. Actually, it makes it sound like he is also (or still?) thinking of the album as an album by Mick Jagger And His Rolling Stones. I'm wondering if one should notice that he didn't say something like "and Keith also brought in some great tunes". But honestly speaking, I can't remember if there has ever been a situation before where they spoke (or were asked) in interviews about an album in progress while the recording of the album was still in progress.
While trying to find the exact quote of Keith's statement about Mick's prolificacy (and his own three dynamite riffs) I stumbled on this interview from 2010 (Hollywood Reporter):
While Richards expects the Rolling Stones to tour in 2011, he says that the group may hit the studio before that. "After these many years working together, we have a lot of unfinished stuff to work on that we had to leave off the last album," says Richards. "And knowing Mick, as I do, he's a very prolific writer. And I have ideas, and we'll put them together in December or January, something like that ... We're looking forward to working."
[www.hollywoodreporter.com]
This must have been the session(s?) which in the end only spawned a meagre two songs (D&G, OMS). Keith doesn't say the word "album" but it sounds like he was clearly thinking of more than just a single. Now considering that also Mick said the Stones should have released more new music, one only wonders what the hell has gone wrong all these years.
From Uncut, nov. 2016
Q: Don Was told me that Mick‘s got 40 new songs.
“Being prolific dont mean shit“, replies Richards.
“I‘ve got three songs and they‘re dynamite. I don‘t want to make any decisions about this until this record comes out, because I think it might radically change Mick‘s attitude; it might change mine“.
“I want to see the fallout from this record before I decide wheteher I want to record 40 of Mick‘s songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That‘s my thing. That‘s my ball there. I‘ve always got a few songs on the back burner and so does Mick - he writes a lot. I don‘t. I tend to concentrate on two or three really interesting riffs or ideas, rather than being prolific“.
[www.uncut.co.uk]
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Inspired by that Keith interview from 2010 I discussed above I checked the always useful timeisonourside.com chronicle from 2011.
The original quote, from October 2010, was:
While Richards expects the Rolling Stones to tour in 2011, he says that the group may hit the studio before that. "After these many years working together, we have a lot of unfinished stuff to work on that we had to leave off the last album," says Richards. "And knowing Mick, as I do, he's a very prolific writer. And I have ideas, and we'll put them together in December or January, something like that ... We're looking forward to working."
So Keith wanted him and Mick to start making a new Stones album around December2010/January2011. What did happen?
No matter what LIFE did, Mick seemingly was rather involved in SuperHeavy project. The sessions had started years earlier, but the last sessions he did with Dave Stewart took place in late February. The album was to be released in September.
So was it that Mick's solo project was, once again, stand in the way for a new Stones album? Well, seemingly Keith didn't know anything about the whole project. In June Keith simply stated: "I haven't heard anything about it. I just wish him luck."
Keith himself started the sessions with Jordan for CROSSEYED HEART in Mid April. (He also sometimes during the year confessed: "I hardly played at all for two years. I'm sort of basically recovering from the book, and this is my therapy at the moment. In the process of doing it, my chops are coming back".)
Later in the year Mick was involved in SOME GIRLS bonus album material in August (Keith did his overdubs in September). This seemingly wasn't such a big project as the EXILE one - something, according to MIck, "he lived six months".
But what is interesting that in September - just after doing the SOME GIRLS stuff and around the time SUPERHEAVY was released - he stated:
I have been writing a lot for the Stones. I mean, when I write, I go, Yeah, that could be a good Stones tune or, That's not really going to work for that.
I did some sessions with Charlie recently where I just played some songs I'd written, and of course I wrote more when he was there. I'd start making them up, so that was good fun, so we had a really good time doing that.
(I've been) writing loads of these 12-bar blues songs, so I'm looking forward to doing something more in that vein. But then last night, I wrote a song and went straight from my version of John Lee Hooker into writing sort of pop songs, so I don't really know.
That sounded like Mick, after all, had a Stones relaese in his mind. How serious that was - hard to know. But Charlie was there, if that means anything (Interestingly when Charlie years later talked about 'what happened to that album' and of a series of sessions, might he also had that particular session in his mind?).
But then Keith declared two months later (in November):
I'm not writing for (the Stones) right now. I'm cutting my own stuff with Steve Jordan. There's no point in writing for the Stones until I know that Mick Jagger's in. He could have every song I've ever written. They're all for him. If he doesn't like them - or if he poo-poos them - I take them somewhere else.
Damn those two last quotes tell rather clearly that the Glimmer Twins weren't much in speaking terms... I think this quote by Ronnie from November is a rather telling here what was going on:
I think there's a healing process waiting to take place. I think it's happening now as we speak, but it has to be resolved. Something has to be resolved there. They have to come to terms with going on a working basis, which Charlie and I will help make happen. Wish me luck.
- Doxa
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Later in the year Mick was involved in SOME GIRLS bonus album material in August (Keith did his overdubs in September). This seemingly wasn't such a big project as the EXILE one - something, according to MIck, "he lived six months".
- Doxa
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I am ready for more vault material, right now.
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From Uncut, nov. 2016
Q: Don Was told me that Mick‘s got 40 new songs.
“Being prolific dont mean shit“, replies Richards.
“I‘ve got three songs and they‘re dynamite. I don‘t want to make any decisions about this until this record comes out, because I think it might radically change Mick‘s attitude; it might change mine“.
“I want to see the fallout from this record before I decide whether I want to record 40 of Mick‘s songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That‘s my thing. That‘s my ball there. I‘ve always got a few songs on the back burner and so does Mick - he writes a lot. I don‘t. I tend to concentrate on two or three really interesting riffs or ideas, rather than being prolific“.
[www.uncut.co.uk]
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Well, LIFE happened. I find this interview by Keith interesting, and I recall not seeing it before. Probably the context is that of him promoting LIFE, right? So, Keith was "expecting" the Stones to tour in 2011... I wonder how much realism or substance there was in his expectations - was there real plans, or is just Keith speaking out of his mouth (bullshitting) while promoting the book. It would be over one year until there were those loose three-day jam sessions organized by Keith in London (December 2011).
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From Uncut, nov. 2016
Q: Don Was told me that Mick‘s got 40 new songs.
Keith: “I want to see the fallout from [BLUE AND LONESOME] before I decide whether I want to record...Mick‘s songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That‘s my thing. That‘s my ball there.“
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From Uncut, nov. 2016
Q: Don Was told me that Mick‘s got 40 new songs.
Keith: “I want to see the fallout from [BLUE AND LONESOME] before I decide whether I want to record...Mick‘s songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That‘s my thing. That‘s my ball there.“
[www.uncut.co.uk]
For much of the past twenty years, Mick has found ways of conveying he's the one writing most of the material, not Keith. Mick will not spend the time with Keith slowly developing new material in the studio by jamming. Neither will Charlie and apparently not Ronnie either. In Charlie's case, doing so would likely be hard on him physically at this point.
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From Uncut, nov. 2016
Q: Don Was told me that Mick‘s got 40 new songs.
Keith: “I want to see the fallout from [BLUE AND LONESOME] before I decide whether I want to record...Mick‘s songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That‘s my thing. That‘s my ball there.“
[www.uncut.co.uk]
For much of the past twenty years, Mick has found ways of conveying he's the one writing most of the material, not Keith. Mick will not spend the time with Keith slowly developing new material in the studio by jamming. Neither will Charlie and apparently not Ronnie either. In Charlie's case, doing so would likely be hard on him physically at this point.
Bringing Steve Jordan into the mix was supposed to be the workaround. When the three of them — Mick, Keith, Steve — appeared in a photo together at Germano Studios in 2018, I thought that was a great sign that progress was being made.
Steve, to his great credit, still has the patience to sit through, shape, and sharpen Keith’s ideas. Again, though, this was two years ago. We are well past the point where this should *still* be a problem.
Since Mick has told us not to hold our breath, we know a little more than nothing. But not much more!
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Bringing Steve Jordan into the mix was supposed to be the workaround.
Do you know that for a fact?
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Bringing Steve Jordan into the mix was supposed to be the workaround.
Do you know that for a fact?
In one interview around the time of the release of Main Offender (or so, at any rate with respect to the Winos) Keith said he is writing with Steve Jordan because he doesn't like to write alone but prefers to have a partner to exchange ideas with. So it wouldn't be surprising if things went similarly with Crosseyed heart, all the more in view of the fact (?) that Steve Jordan kind of mildly pushed Keith to record a song every once in a while (at least, SJ said so). In this light also Keith's statements that he would like to work on new stuff together with Mick makes good sense. (That Mick is not fond of the idea of watching Keith strumming the same chord for hours while waiting for inspiration or the like is another story.)
I guess we all know that we know (next to) nothing, and that public statements by the Stones are always to some extent also "political" statements and therefore to be taken with some caution.
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From Uncut, nov. 2016
Q: Don Was told me that Mick‘s got 40 new songs.
Keith: “I want to see the fallout from [BLUE AND LONESOME] before I decide whether I want to record...Mick‘s songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That‘s my thing. That‘s my ball there.“
[www.uncut.co.uk]
For much of the past twenty years, Mick has found ways of conveying he's the one writing most of the material, not Keith. Mick will not spend the time with Keith slowly developing new material in the studio by jamming. Neither will Charlie and apparently not Ronnie either. In Charlie's case, doing so would likely be hard on him physically at this point.
Bringing Steve Jordan into the mix was supposed to be the workaround. When the three of them — Mick, Keith, Steve — appeared in a photo together at Germano Studios in 2018, I thought that was a great sign that progress was being made.
Steve, to his great credit, still has the patience to sit through, shape, and sharpen Keith’s ideas. Again, though, this was two years ago. We are well past the point where this should *still* be a problem.
Since Mick has told us not to hold our breath, we know a little more than nothing. But not much more!
Do you know that for a fact? It could also have been for practical reasons - as in they had access to a studio and a good engineer they knew well, when both were in town.
IMO – assuming you don't know more than me - the info we have is not enough to make such conclusions as you and Rocky did.
There might be many reasons. Not saying you're wrong, though.
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...(That Mick is not fond of the idea of watching Keith strumming the same chord for hours while waiting for inspiration or the like is another story.)-...
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I don't understand Mick's impatience with Keith. When they sit down and work together they write great songs. Who cares how long it takes.
And obviously when they don't work together, like now, it takes even longer.
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Bringing Steve Jordan into the mix was supposed to be the workaround.
Do you know that for a fact?
In one interview around the time of the release of Main Offender (or so, at any rate with respect to the Winos) Keith said he is writing with Steve Jordan because he doesn't like to write alone but prefers to have a partner to exchange ideas with. So it wouldn't be surprising if things went similarly with Crosseyed heart, all the more in view of the fact (?) that Steve Jordan kind of mildly pushed Keith to record a song every once in a while (at least, SJ said so). In this light also Keith's statements that he would like to work on new stuff together with Mick makes good sense. (That Mick is not fond of the idea of watching Keith strumming the same chord for hours while waiting for inspiration or the like is another story.)
I guess we all know that we know (next to) nothing, and that public statements by the Stones are always to some extent also "political" statements and therefore to be taken with some caution.