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MisterDDDD
Virtually any artist, whether an author, songwriter, actor, et al., would tell you that at some point in the process they hit a wall. Part of the process, really.
To take one line that the context of isn't really known and read more into it is silly. But some will take the line and write a fictional story out of it, until they..hopefully, hit a wall.
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jlowe
Yes, it surprises me too that Universal Execs would be that concerned about the progress, or lack of it regarding The Stones album.
In their latter career The Beatles seemed to have very little involvement with EMI, they had Apple of course but I'm sure that wasnt a factor. And of course The Beatles and Paul continued to have a long professional relationship with EMI long after the groups break up. They had meetings of course, contract renewals and royalty rates. And later on, numerous lawsuits.
As far as I am aware Universal is merely their Distributor and I assume manufactures the product. Maybe a bit of marketing also.It's an Agreement by licence. The Stones hold the copyrights and can easily go elsewhere. They pay their own recording costs, presumably.
The Beatles in contrast were on a long term contract and their record company controlled the recording copyrights...which is still the case today.
Much to Macca's chagrin of course. Recording companies held all the aces in the old days.
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MisterDDDD
Virtually any artist, whether an author, songwriter, actor, et al., would tell you that at some point in the process they hit a wall. Part of the process, really.
To take one line that the context of isn't really known and read more into it is silly. But some will take the line and write a fictional story out of it, until they..hopefully, hit a wall.
Why is it silly, especially in the context of which Don Was mentioned the wall.
Don said the reason they made Blue And Lonesome was because they hit a wall in the studio. That is a big deal as far as i'm concerned, we got a cover album instead of a studio album as a result of the wall.
Secondly , if you look at how long this album has taken to make since Don mentioned the wall, (still no sign of completion) would you not agree they did indeed hit a wall of some kind, Mick is not historically known to be slow when it comes to studio time, this length of time is unusual to say the least, the Stones have never taken anything like this long to create music. Why is it so silly to consider they hit a wall and continue to do so.
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MisterDDDD
Virtually any artist, whether an author, songwriter, actor, et al., would tell you that at some point in the process they hit a wall. Part of the process, really.
To take one line that the context of isn't really known and read more into it is silly. But some will take the line and write a fictional story out of it, until they..hopefully, hit a wall.
Why is it silly, especially in the context of which Don Was mentioned the wall.
Don said the reason they made Blue And Lonesome was because they hit a wall in the studio. That is a big deal as far as i'm concerned, we got a cover album instead of a studio album as a result of the wall.
Secondly , if you look at how long this album has taken to make since Don mentioned the wall, (still no sign of completion) would you not agree they did indeed hit a wall of some kind, Mick is not historically known to be slow when it comes to studio time, this length of time is unusual to say the least, the Stones have never taken anything like this long to create music. Why is it so silly to consider they hit a wall and continue to do so.
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CJFP
Theodora back home? Could they be done with the recording part of the album?
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harlem shuffleWhat do you know,since it really cracks you up?Absolutely nothing i think.Just some more bullshit against Jagger again.Quote
TeddyB1018
“Meetings.” Wow. One used to call it recording, or rehearsals, or being in the studio. Maybe they should bring their lawyers to these meetings, in some conference room, to help negotiate the direction of the album. Or maybe Mick is just so Hollywood these days that he talks in terms of meetings. Cracks me up.
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CJFP
Theodora back home? Could they be done with the recording part of the album?
I missed this. What does Theodora have to do with recording?
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jlowe
Yes, it surprises me too that Universal Execs would be that concerned about the progress, or lack of it regarding The Stones album.
In their latter career The Beatles seemed to have very little involvement with EMI, they had Apple of course but I'm sure that wasnt a factor. And of course The Beatles and Paul continued to have a long professional relationship with EMI long after the groups break up. They had meetings of course, contract renewals and royalty rates. And later on, numerous lawsuits.
As far as I am aware Universal is merely their Distributor and I assume manufactures the product. Maybe a bit of marketing also.It's an Agreement by licence. The Stones hold the copyrights and can easily go elsewhere. They pay their own recording costs, presumably.
The Beatles in contrast were on a long term contract and their record company controlled the recording copyrights...which is still the case today.
Much to Macca's chagrin of course. Recording companies held all the aces in the old days.
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A distribution deal comes with the contract (normally .. for large name acts).
As well .. I highly doubt The Stones are paying for the recording costs, session musicians, and engineers hired for the album. Small acts .. it is part of the advance (a loan .. in which mechanical and digital royalties pay that back to the label). For major acts .. the record company usually foots the bill. I'm sure they footed the bill with The Stones.
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jlowe
Yes, it surprises me too that Universal Execs would be that concerned about the progress, or lack of it regarding The Stones album.
In their latter career The Beatles seemed to have very little involvement with EMI, they had Apple of course but I'm sure that wasnt a factor. And of course The Beatles and Paul continued to have a long professional relationship with EMI long after the groups break up. They had meetings of course, contract renewals and royalty rates. And later on, numerous lawsuits.
As far as I am aware Universal is merely their Distributor and I assume manufactures the product. Maybe a bit of marketing also.It's an Agreement by licence. The Stones hold the copyrights and can easily go elsewhere. They pay their own recording costs, presumably.
The Beatles in contrast were on a long term contract and their record company controlled the recording copyrights...which is still the case today.
Much to Macca's chagrin of course. Recording companies held all the aces in the old days.
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A distribution deal comes with the contract (normally .. for large name acts).
As well .. I highly doubt The Stones are paying for the recording costs, session musicians, and engineers hired for the album. Small acts .. it is part of the advance (a loan .. in which mechanical and digital royalties pay that back to the label). For major acts .. the record company usually foots the bill. I'm sure they footed the bill with The Stones.
Their 2008 deal with UMG: The worldwide contract covers three new albums and the rights to release the band’s valuable catalog of music recorded since 1971 for about five years, according to people with knowledge of the negotiations who were not authorized to speak about them publicly. The contract calls for an advance of $15 million and brings the Rolling Stones’ entire output under Universal’s roof, since the company had already distributed the band’s pre-1971 music through the Abkco label.
EMI will retain the band’s lucrative publishing rights.
[www.nytimes.com]
So far one new album has been released, BLUE AND LONESOME. A double album doesn't count as 2 new albums, nor do any live releases or reissue extra discs.
The updated UMG deal will "continue to distribute the band’s celebrated recorded music catalogue globally with future projects and reissues to be released through UMG’s labels and networks around the world."
[www.universalmusic.com]
So, from reading what that says, UMG is paying for recording sessions/production/distribution and the Stones owe UMG $15 million. How they pay it off may not be the way it used to be.
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jlowe
Yes, it surprises me too that Universal Execs would be that concerned about the progress, or lack of it regarding The Stones album.
In their latter career The Beatles seemed to have very little involvement with EMI, they had Apple of course but I'm sure that wasnt a factor. And of course The Beatles and Paul continued to have a long professional relationship with EMI long after the groups break up. They had meetings of course, contract renewals and royalty rates. And later on, numerous lawsuits.
As far as I am aware Universal is merely their Distributor and I assume manufactures the product. Maybe a bit of marketing also.It's an Agreement by licence. The Stones hold the copyrights and can easily go elsewhere. They pay their own recording costs, presumably.
The Beatles in contrast were on a long term contract and their record company controlled the recording copyrights...which is still the case today.
Much to Macca's chagrin of course. Recording companies held all the aces in the old days.
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A distribution deal comes with the contract (normally .. for large name acts).
As well .. I highly doubt The Stones are paying for the recording costs, session musicians, and engineers hired for the album. Small acts .. it is part of the advance (a loan .. in which mechanical and digital royalties pay that back to the label). For major acts .. the record company usually foots the bill. I'm sure they footed the bill with The Stones.
Their 2008 deal with UMG: The worldwide contract covers three new albums and the rights to release the band’s valuable catalog of music recorded since 1971 for about five years, according to people with knowledge of the negotiations who were not authorized to speak about them publicly. The contract calls for an advance of $15 million and brings the Rolling Stones’ entire output under Universal’s roof, since the company had already distributed the band’s pre-1971 music through the Abkco label.
EMI will retain the band’s lucrative publishing rights.
[www.nytimes.com]
So far one new album has been released, BLUE AND LONESOME. A double album doesn't count as 2 new albums, nor do any live releases or reissue extra discs.
The updated UMG deal will "continue to distribute the band’s celebrated recorded music catalogue globally with future projects and reissues to be released through UMG’s labels and networks around the world."
[www.universalmusic.com]
So, from reading what that says, UMG is paying for recording sessions/production/distribution and the Stones owe UMG $15 million. How they pay it off may not be the way it used to be.
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mg72
Which first?
Stones?
Who?
Guns N Roses?
ACDC?
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Rockman
Maybe Theodora has nicked
the masters and has gone back ta play
'em on her Sirius show …... Top of the ratings ...
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MisterDDDD
Virtually any artist, whether an author, songwriter, actor, et al., would tell you that at some point in the process they hit a wall. Part of the process, really.
To take one line that the context of isn't really known and read more into it is silly. But some will take the line and write a fictional story out of it, until they..hopefully, hit a wall.
Why is it silly, especially in the context of which Don Was mentioned the wall.
Don said the reason they made Blue And Lonesome was because they hit a wall in the studio. That is a big deal as far as i'm concerned, we got a cover album instead of a studio album as a result of the wall.
Secondly , if you look at how long this album has taken to make since Don mentioned the wall, (still no sign of completion) would you not agree they did indeed hit a wall of some kind, Mick is not historically known to be slow when it comes to studio time, this length of time is unusual to say the least, the Stones have never taken anything like this long to create music. Why is it so silly to consider they hit a wall and continue to do so.
Because you interpret "hitting a wall" almost automatically and solely as "Mick clashing with Keith". Could be, of course, but could also mean that working on certain material for whatever reason did not deliver the results everybody was hoping for, or, according to this old Traffic tune, "sometimes we feel so uninspired". Could also mean that while working on new original material, it dawned on them that the album with all-new material would take considerably longer than originally expected and that doing a couple of blues covers could loosen them up a bit. Could also mean that this "hitting the wall"-story was intentionally spread through Don Was to explain or as an excuse why the first Stones studio album in a decade was "only covers" and no original material. Whatever, it does not necessarily mean a fight over a new tune or two or even the whole direction of the new album.
Considering their age, I simply cannot see anybody involved interested in major fussing and fighting and wasting time, money and energy connected with this.
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mg72
Which first?
Stones?
Who?
Guns N Roses?
ACDC?
None of the above.
My votes on Neil Young
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keithsman
Secondly , if you look at how long this album has taken to make since Don mentioned the wall, (still no sign of completion) would you not agree they did indeed hit a wall of some kind, Mick is not historically known to be slow when it comes to studio time, this length of time is unusual to say the least, the Stones have never taken anything like this long to create music. Why is it so silly to consider they hit a wall and continue to do so.
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runrudolph
If mick has meetings about the new stuff..it must mean something is likely to happen.
Jeroen
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runrudolph
If mick has meetings about the new stuff..it must mean something is likely to happen.
Jeroen
Maybe, meetings in connection with Jagged Films projects?
They have their main offices in LA and I suspect Mick spends as much energy on his film interests as Stones business these days.
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CJFP
I have got this feeling, I do not what it is but I think we are going to have something to listen to when before this tour starts!
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jlowe
Yes, it surprises me too that Universal Execs would be that concerned about the progress, or lack of it regarding The Stones album.
In their latter career The Beatles seemed to have very little involvement with EMI, they had Apple of course but I'm sure that wasnt a factor. And of course The Beatles and Paul continued to have a long professional relationship with EMI long after the groups break up. They had meetings of course, contract renewals and royalty rates. And later on, numerous lawsuits.
As far as I am aware Universal is merely their Distributor and I assume manufactures the product. Maybe a bit of marketing also.It's an Agreement by licence. The Stones hold the copyrights and can easily go elsewhere. They pay their own recording costs, presumably.
The Beatles in contrast were on a long term contract and their record company controlled the recording copyrights...which is still the case today.
Much to Macca's chagrin of course. Recording companies held all the aces in the old days.
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A distribution deal comes with the contract (normally .. for large name acts).
As well .. I highly doubt The Stones are paying for the recording costs, session musicians, and engineers hired for the album. Small acts .. it is part of the advance (a loan .. in which mechanical and digital royalties pay that back to the label). For major acts .. the record company usually foots the bill. I'm sure they footed the bill with The Stones.
Their 2008 deal with UMG: The worldwide contract covers three new albums and the rights to release the band’s valuable catalog of music recorded since 1971 for about five years, according to people with knowledge of the negotiations who were not authorized to speak about them publicly. The contract calls for an advance of $15 million and brings the Rolling Stones’ entire output under Universal’s roof, since the company had already distributed the band’s pre-1971 music through the Abkco label.
EMI will retain the band’s lucrative publishing rights.
[www.nytimes.com]
So far one new album has been released, BLUE AND LONESOME. A double album doesn't count as 2 new albums, nor do any live releases or reissue extra discs.
The updated UMG deal will "continue to distribute the band’s celebrated recorded music catalogue globally with future projects and reissues to be released through UMG’s labels and networks around the world."
[www.universalmusic.com]
So, from reading what that says, UMG is paying for recording sessions/production/distribution and the Stones owe UMG $15 million. How they pay it off may not be the way it used to be.
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Hairball
The "wall" they hit (as per Don Was) could have been based on a number of things at that particular moment - it's doesn't have to necessarily be just a Keith vs. Mick thing.
I do recall though that it had to do with a particular song they were attempting to play, and when it wasn't working they played a blues tune at Keith's suggestion, and it took off from there eventually resulting in B&L.
The "wall" could have also been based on bad vibes in the room, guitars wouldn't stay tuned, equipment malfunction, someone was under the weather, someone had flatulence (lol), etc. preventing furtehr work that day.
But based on all the quotes and activity from the band themselves, "the wall" seems to have gone on a bit deeper than all of that, and there seems to have been more than just one of them. The recording and releasing of Getta Grip w/out Keith ("the bugger went ahead and did it" was Keith's response) as one example. Ronnie's "might start from scratch" quotes (in other words back to the drawing board) is another example. I don't think they'd have to go to that extreme if it all was going great. And Universal not pleased with the direction (call it the Universal "wall"). Call it whatever you want - a wall, a detour, a stumbling block, or whatever, but clearly this hasn't been smooth sailing for the band. The good news is they're continuing to chip away slowly but surely.
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harlem shuffleWhat do you know,since it really cracks you up?Absolutely nothing i think.Just some more bullshit against Jagger again.Quote
TeddyB1018
“Meetings.” Wow. One used to call it recording, or rehearsals, or being in the studio. Maybe they should bring their lawyers to these meetings, in some conference room, to help negotiate the direction of the album. Or maybe Mick is just so Hollywood these days that he talks in terms of meetings. Cracks me up.