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The new album cover:
(No it's not.)
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If you're waiting for something like Beggars, that train left the station nearly 50 years ago on a one way trip...destination unknown.
Actually, that destination turned out to be LET IT BLEED and STICKY FINGERS, both of which had leftovers so good they went on EOMS.
Yes - it was just an off the cuff/tongue in cheek comment generalizing the situation 50 years after the fact.
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1. The material should be significant
A great rule, indeed. One cannot help but wish they might've applied it to their last 6 or 7 records.
I doubt they set out to make poor records, they are probably too close to the music they create to know how it will be received until it is received , and even then it takes time. Exile had negative reviews, it took a few years for it to get the acclaim it deserved.
I actually thought the last 6 albums were pretty good as it happens, its just that folks on IORR are hard to please
...and you're right...only horrible record they've ever really put out is dirty work. the last several have been 'pretty good' for the most part, but not classic.
Just for the record, I wasn't commenting on whether the records were poor or pretty good or horrible or not classic.
I was responding to bv's very specific--and fascinating, at least to me--use of the word 'significant.' Calling material "significant' is different from passing a snap judgment or offering a quick opinion. Significance connotes thought, importance, relevance, power. The Stones have not produced material meeting that standard for a very long time, in my opinion.
sweet neo con was significant...just not very good.
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The new album cover:
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If there's a god in heaven this WILL be the cover.
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I'll take T and E please
'she's my little T and E...'
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Yes, Steel Wheels monitor mixes was superior in music quality imo. Maybe The Stones are taking this into consideration with a new album? Must be a lot of work just thinking about the approach besides just making new songs.
They should use the most recent releases - Blue and Lonesome and Crosseyed Heart - as blueprints for the production.
Seems only natural they would, but then again some strange curveballs (as has been mentioned) could take it to a different oddball territory.
Were they produced well? I'll take your word for it. I couldn't get past the lukewarm covers and the tuneless originals for long enough to tell.
Can't we have something produced like, oh, I don't know, Beggars Banquet?
Yes there was minimal production - in the case of Crosseyed Heart it was warm and sincere, while in the case of B&L it was almost live in the studio sounding as they supposedly only did one or two takes.
While the former was far superior because of the originals, the latter was underwhelming due to the average at best covers. Take the best of both of these - warm, sincere, and "live" - and they might come up with something worthy, but of course they need good songs to begin with which might be asking too much at this point.
If you're waiting for something like Beggars, that train left the station nearly 50 years ago on a one way trip...destination unknown.
B&L was surprisingly good ( my exspectations of a blues cover album was low) - and CH was unfortunately as boring as Main defender and TIC quickly turned out to be. I sure hope they do not follow the CH path.
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Yes, Steel Wheels monitor mixes was superior in music quality imo. Maybe The Stones are taking this into consideration with a new album? Must be a lot of work just thinking about the approach besides just making new songs.
They should use the most recent releases - Blue and Lonesome and Crosseyed Heart - as blueprints for the production.
Seems only natural they would, but then again some strange curveballs (as has been mentioned) could take it to a different oddball territory.
Were they produced well? I'll take your word for it. I couldn't get past the lukewarm covers and the tuneless originals for long enough to tell.
Can't we have something produced like, oh, I don't know, Beggars Banquet?
Yes there was minimal production - in the case of Crosseyed Heart it was warm and sincere, while in the case of B&L it was almost live in the studio sounding as they supposedly only did one or two takes.
While the former was far superior because of the originals, the latter was underwhelming due to the average at best covers. Take the best of both of these - warm, sincere, and "live" - and they might come up with something worthy, but of course they need good songs to begin with which might be asking too much at this point.
If you're waiting for something like Beggars, that train left the station nearly 50 years ago on a one way trip...destination unknown.
B&L was surprisingly good ( my exspectations of a blues cover album was low) - and CH was unfortunately as boring as Main defender and TIC quickly turned out to be. I sure hope they do not follow the CH path.
What I personally would like to see is, like Blue & Lonesome, we get The Stones TOGETHER in a studio PLAYING, rather than simply phoning in their individual bits via software. I would simply like the band to BE a band, not a bunch of componentsm on different continents. I would then forgive them any musical off-ness, if I KNEW they created the songs as A BAND. Because Blue & Lonesome shows, to me, that IF they record as a band, they ARE still the f*****g best band in the world.
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Yes, Steel Wheels monitor mixes was superior in music quality imo. Maybe The Stones are taking this into consideration with a new album? Must be a lot of work just thinking about the approach besides just making new songs.
They should use the most recent releases - Blue and Lonesome and Crosseyed Heart - as blueprints for the production.
Seems only natural they would, but then again some strange curveballs (as has been mentioned) could take it to a different oddball territory.
Were they produced well? I'll take your word for it. I couldn't get past the lukewarm covers and the tuneless originals for long enough to tell.
Can't we have something produced like, oh, I don't know, Beggars Banquet?
Yes there was minimal production - in the case of Crosseyed Heart it was warm and sincere, while in the case of B&L it was almost live in the studio sounding as they supposedly only did one or two takes.
While the former was far superior because of the originals, the latter was underwhelming due to the average at best covers. Take the best of both of these - warm, sincere, and "live" - and they might come up with something worthy, but of course they need good songs to begin with which might be asking too much at this point.
If you're waiting for something like Beggars, that train left the station nearly 50 years ago on a one way trip...destination unknown.
B&L was surprisingly good ( my exspectations of a blues cover album was low) - and CH was unfortunately as boring as Main defender and TIC quickly turned out to be. I sure hope they do not follow the CH path.
What I personally would like to see is, like Blue & Lonesome, we get The Stones TOGETHER in a studio PLAYING, rather than simply phoning in their individual bits via software. I would simply like the band to BE a band, not a bunch of componentsm on different continents. I would then forgive them any musical off-ness, if I KNEW they created the songs as A BAND. Because Blue & Lonesome shows, to me, that IF they record as a band, they ARE still the f*****g best band in the world.
Yes that would be nice - and it seems like that is the way it is made, doesn't it? I mean B&L was just a minor part of it.
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Hi Heinz...call your sources!!
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Hi KR - What I've heard is that the album is not finished but is coming together well. There are a lot of good songs and some great ones. One highlight is a beautiful, soulful ballad. I expect this to be a really good album but I personally would not expect a radical departure from other albums. The Stones are the Stones and they do what they do. They have high standards and they will meet them.
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Hi Heinz...call your sources!!
Hi KR - What I've heard is that the album is not finished but is coming together well. There are a lot of good songs and some great ones. One highlight is a beautiful, soulful ballad. I expect this to be a really good album but I personally would not expect a radical departure from other albums. The Stones are the Stones and they do what they do. They have high standards and they will meet them.
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Hi Heinz...call your sources!!
Hi KR - What I've heard is that the album is not finished but is coming together well. There are a lot of good songs and some great ones. One highlight is a beautiful, soulful ballad. I expect this to be a really good album but I personally would not expect a radical departure from other albums. The Stones are the Stones and they do what they do. They have high standards and they will meet them.
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They were planning on a combination of the enthusiastic guitar work found on Dirty Work, excellent song craftsmanship from Let It Bleed, and live garage band sound from A Bigger Bang.
..or was it barking vocals (DW), sterile sound (LIB ), and compressed brickwalled mastering (ABB )?
Hopefully the former.
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Hi Heinz...call your sources!!
Hi KR - What I've heard is that the album is not finished but is coming together well. There are a lot of good songs and some great ones. One highlight is a beautiful, soulful ballad. I expect this to be a really good album but I personally would not expect a radical departure from other albums. The Stones are the Stones and they do what they do. They have high standards and they will meet them.
Thanks Heinz!!
I agree with you and i think that it will be something similar to BTB.
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If there's a god in heaven this WILL be the cover.