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Anyway, like many here I don't consider Ronnie any strong song-writer (mostly because I find him lacking a kind of idiosyncratic character and distinguished 'pen' in that department), so I don't believe the Stones albums would have been any better if Ronnie had been given more creative role in song-writing. But compared to the stuff Mick and Keith have been able to come up with the last couple of decades, I don't either think his solo material is much weaker, if at all (despite missing that typical inner 'character' those two other guys seem to naturally have, no matter how mediocre their songs are). Probably some okayish Stones tunes could be written from his rather obvious-sounding riffs and sounds. But seemingly Mick doesn't bother...
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I guess it comes down to what you prefer. Ronnie's albums are far from «obvious» to me. On the contrary, there is always something popping up that I wouldn't expect. An album like 1234, for instance, is full of surprises, albeit it's not his best album, imo.
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I guess it comes down to what you prefer. Ronnie's albums are far from «obvious» to me. On the contrary, there is always something popping up that I wouldn't expect. An album like 1234, for instance, is full of surprises, albeit it's not his best album, imo.
Yeah, personal preferences are just that.
But it seems we agree that Ronnie has creative ideas when it comes to making music.
And I think "Blue and Lonesome" is another showcase of his abilities to lift songs of othters
to a higher level. We can just hope he gets room to manoeuvre on the new album.
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Doxa
Anyway, like many here I don't consider Ronnie any strong song-writer (mostly because I find him lacking a kind of idiosyncratic character and distinguished 'pen' in that department), so I don't believe the Stones albums would have been any better if Ronnie had been given more creative role in song-writing. But compared to the stuff Mick and Keith have been able to come up with the last couple of decades, I don't either think his solo material is much weaker, if at all (despite missing that typical inner 'character' those two other guys seem to naturally have, no matter how mediocre their songs are). Probably some okayish Stones tunes could be written from his rather obvious-sounding riffs and sounds. But seemingly Mick doesn't bother...
Comparing "I feel like playing" to "Crosseyed Heart", I come to the conclusion that
the disinguished pen is lacking on both albums, but I prefer Ronnie's effort, because
he managed to make his songs sound more interesting in the end. More surprises along
the road. So I don't think he should get more room to bring songs to the studio, but
he surely deserves some input in working out arrangements and adding brilliant ideas.
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Doxa
Anyway, like many here I don't consider Ronnie any strong song-writer (mostly because I find him lacking a kind of idiosyncratic character and distinguished 'pen' in that department), so I don't believe the Stones albums would have been any better if Ronnie had been given more creative role in song-writing. But compared to the stuff Mick and Keith have been able to come up with the last couple of decades, I don't either think his solo material is much weaker, if at all (despite missing that typical inner 'character' those two other guys seem to naturally have, no matter how mediocre their songs are). Probably some okayish Stones tunes could be written from his rather obvious-sounding riffs and sounds. But seemingly Mick doesn't bother...
Comparing "I feel like playing" to "Crosseyed Heart", I come to the conclusion that
the disinguished pen is lacking on both albums, but I prefer Ronnie's effort, because
he managed to make his songs sound more interesting in the end. More surprises along
the road. So I don't think he should get more room to bring songs to the studio, but
he surely deserves some input in working out arrangements and adding brilliant ideas.
Err, well you would prefer Ronnie's album, tell us something we don't know
The fact that ten percent of the population regard Ronnie's album to be better than Keith's is an irrelevance. What could Keith or any of his fan's take from such a statement. Is keith going to think damn, i must try harder to be like Ronnie on my next album.
You say Ronnie's album is more interesting and full of more surprise, What does that mean exactly. Why ? How ? Its a good album yes, probably Ronnie's best but why bring Crosseyed Heart into it.
Why the constant comparisons. They are both good solo albums from men at the late evening of their careers, i just don't see the point in this dick measuring contest anymore.
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Why the constant comparisons. They are both good solo albums from men at the late evening of their careers, i just don't see the point in this dick measuring contest anymore.
Well, Keith started it
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I never knew the "Evil Goblin King" was arrested for lashing out at his Russian girlfriend?
I do remember how crazy that whole thing was though...glad Ronnie finally saw the light!
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Mick's albums tend to be overloaded with stuff, Ronnie's a bit all over the place and eclectic, while Keith's album are quite minimalistic.
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stone4ever
I thought Keith's album was full of surprises and interesting, the opposite of what Doxy thinks , this is the problem with these conversations, one mans meat is another man's poison. Just going through my head with Crosseyed Heart you got songs like Amnesia, Something For Nothing, Lovers Plea and Substantial Damage, i mean if these songs are not interesting or surprising i don't know what to say.
Basically the biggest surprise with CH is how god damn good it is.
From Heartstopper, Robbed blind, Nothing On Me, Suspicious, Just A Gift to Blues In The Morning, these are great tracks Ronnie or Mick would be proud to have wrote, especially this late in the day.
I don't know what people expected from Keith, a bit of a duet with Jay Z or Beyonce, the mind boggles.
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stone4ever
I thought Keith's album was full of surprises and interesting, the opposite of what Doxy thinks , this is the problem with these conversations, one mans meat is another man's poison. Just going through my head with Crosseyed Heart you got songs like Amnesia, Something For Nothing, Lovers Plea and Substantial Damage, i mean if these songs are not interesting or surprising i don't know what to say.
Basically the biggest surprise with CH is how god damn good it is.
From Heartstopper, Robbed blind, Nothing On Me, Suspicious, Just A Gift to Blues In The Morning, these are great tracks Ronnie or Mick would be proud to have wrote, especially this late in the day.
I don't know what people expected from Keith, a bit of a duet with Jay Z or Beyonce, the mind boggles.
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stone4ever
I thought Keith's album was full of surprises and interesting, the opposite of what Doxy thinks , this is the problem with these conversations, one mans meat is another man's poison. Just going through my head with Crosseyed Heart you got songs like Amnesia, Something For Nothing, Lovers Plea and Substantial Damage, i mean if these songs are not interesting or surprising i don't know what to say.
Basically the biggest surprise with CH is how god damn good it is.
From Heartstopper, Robbed blind, Nothing On Me, Suspicious, Just A Gift to Blues In The Morning, these are great tracks Ronnie or Mick would be proud to have wrote, especially this late in the day.
I don't know what people expected from Keith, a bit of a duet with Jay Z or Beyonce, the mind boggles.
riffie you are NOT going to make me listen to that yawn of a record and explain to you AGAIN why it's boring, are you? c'mon, my brother, life's too short!
ok, ok, just pick the best track and i'll listen to that. what is the BEST SONG on x-eyed heart? i'll listen to that one and report back.
and btw i've always thought a keith/tupac duet woulda been ill ...
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robbed blind
it makes any stones ballad in the last two decades seem stale
great noir lyrics
perfect country
wish more of this stuff on new record
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stone4ever
I thought Keith's album was full of surprises and interesting, the opposite of what Doxy thinks , this is the problem with these conversations, one mans meat is another man's poison. Just going through my head with Crosseyed Heart you got songs like Amnesia, Something For Nothing, Lovers Plea and Substantial Damage, i mean if these songs are not interesting or surprising i don't know what to say.
Basically the biggest surprise with CH is how god damn good it is.
From Heartstopper, Robbed blind, Nothing On Me, Suspicious, Just A Gift to Blues In The Morning, these are great tracks Ronnie or Mick would be proud to have wrote, especially this late in the day.
I don't know what people expected from Keith, a bit of a duet with Jay Z or Beyonce, the mind boggles.
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robbed blind
it makes any stones ballad in the last two decades seem stale
great noir lyrics
perfect country
wish more of this stuff on new record
It's a beauty.
And I always liked Suspicious - honestly though, I always loved the entire album start to finish.
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The mellow stuff on CH has Dylan-quality (musically, that is). If the Stones could capture some of that vibe on their new album, I'll be happy.
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The mellow stuff on CH has Dylan-quality (musically, that is). If the Stones could capture some of that vibe on their new album, I'll be happy.
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The mellow stuff on CH has Dylan-quality (musically, that is). If the Stones could capture some of that vibe on their new album, I'll be happy.
I hope they wont. Dylan has at his best made mediocre albums since Time Out of Mind. And sure hope that CH will not be the model for the forthcoming album - and that Keith vocal-tracks will be restrickted to the lewell on B&L, which was one of many strengths of that album.
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I thought Keith's album was full of surprises and interesting, the opposite of what Doxy thinks , this is the problem with these conversations, one mans meat is another man's poison. Just going through my head with Crosseyed Heart you got songs like Amnesia, Something For Nothing, Lovers Plea and Substantial Damage, i mean if these songs are not interesting or surprising i don't know what to say.
Basically the biggest surprise with CH is how god damn good it is.
From Heartstopper, Robbed blind, Nothing On Me, Suspicious, Just A Gift to Blues In The Morning, these are great tracks Ronnie or Mick would be proud to have wrote, especially this late in the day.
I don't know what people expected from Keith, a bit of a duet with Jay Z or Beyonce, the mind boggles.
riffie you are NOT going to make me listen to that yawn of a record and explain to you AGAIN why it's boring, are you? c'mon, my brother, life's too short!
ok, ok, just pick the best track and i'll listen to that. what is the BEST SONG on x-eyed heart? i'll listen to that one and report back.
and btw i've always thought a keith/tupac duet woulda been ill ...
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I thought Keith's album was full of surprises and interesting, the opposite of what Doxy thinks , this is the problem with these conversations, one mans meat is another man's poison. Just going through my head with Crosseyed Heart you got songs like Amnesia, Something For Nothing, Lovers Plea and Substantial Damage, i mean if these songs are not interesting or surprising i don't know what to say.
Basically the biggest surprise with CH is how god damn good it is.
From Heartstopper, Robbed blind, Nothing On Me, Suspicious, Just A Gift to Blues In The Morning, these are great tracks Ronnie or Mick would be proud to have wrote, especially this late in the day.
I don't know what people expected from Keith, a bit of a duet with Jay Z or Beyonce, the mind boggles.
riffie you are NOT going to make me listen to that yawn of a record and explain to you AGAIN why it's boring, are you? c'mon, my brother, life's too short!
ok, ok, just pick the best track and i'll listen to that. what is the BEST SONG on x-eyed heart? i'll listen to that one and report back.
and btw i've always thought a keith/tupac duet woulda been ill ...
I'd say either "Suspicious" or "Illusion", which are my favourites, but since you put so much emphasis on "boring", I am guessing you don't like slow songs (I might be completely wrong here, slow songs are not necesarily boring, but then again, people who are bored tend to prefer faster songs). The faster songs on CH are not the best, they are good (except for Blues in the Morning, which is just a lot of noise), but not as great as the four soul ballads. Try "Lover's Plea", is my advice - or - if you are into country - "Robbed Blind".