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treaclefingers
best song they released since they released this one!
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treaclefingers
best song they released since they released this one!
Close to true.
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Who plays bass on the album version of UOTN? It's not Bill right?
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Who plays bass on the album version of UOTN? It's not Bill right?
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Mathijs
On several Undercover outtakes it is Bill Wyman playing a walking bass, indeed reminiscent of Miss You, but on the released version it is Robbie Shakespeare playing the slap-style bass. Shakespeare also plays bass on Feel on Baby.
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On several Undercover outtakes it is Bill Wyman playing a walking bass, indeed reminiscent of Miss You, but on the released version it is Robbie Shakespeare playing the slap-style bass. Shakespeare also plays bass on Feel on Baby.
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Mathijs
On several Undercover outtakes it is Bill Wyman playing a walking bass, indeed reminiscent of Miss You, but on the released version it is Robbie Shakespeare playing the slap-style bass. Shakespeare also plays bass on Feel on Baby.
Mathijs
It sounds like slapping esp. after 1:06, but I don't think the bassist is slapping.
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Mathijs
On several Undercover outtakes it is Bill Wyman playing a walking bass, indeed reminiscent of Miss You, but on the released version it is Robbie Shakespeare playing the slap-style bass. Shakespeare also plays bass on Feel on Baby.
Mathijs
Exactly. I used to play with one guy, and he would do that quite a bit.Quote
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Mathijs
On several Undercover outtakes it is Bill Wyman playing a walking bass, indeed reminiscent of Miss You, but on the released version it is Robbie Shakespeare playing the slap-style bass. Shakespeare also plays bass on Feel on Baby.
Mathijs
It sounds like slapping esp. after 1:06, but I don't think the bassist is slapping.
It's more plucking than slapping indeed.
Mathijs
I always thought it was Bill W on "Too Much Blood" too. I read somewhere ages ago where Jagger was talking about the genesis of that track, and that it was him and the Stones rhythm section but Jim Barber, and himself of guitars. Now I wonder who does what guitar wise on that track. there is the main descending line w/ the chorus f/x, then there is that chicken scratching part. I cant recall - are there other guitars? Where is Dandy?Quote
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Mathijs
On several Undercover outtakes it is Bill Wyman playing a walking bass, indeed reminiscent of Miss You, but on the released version it is Robbie Shakespeare playing the slap-style bass. Shakespeare also plays bass on Feel on Baby.
Mathijs
Interesting. Wyman says he's playing on "Too Much Blood." Any doubt in your mind that it is Bill on that track?
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Palace Revolution 2000I always thought it was Bill W on "Too Much Blood" too. I read somewhere ages ago where Jagger was talking about the genesis of that track, and that it was him and the Stones rhythm section but Jim Barber, and himself of guitars. Now I wonder who does what guitar wise on that track. there is the main descending line w/ the chorus f/x, then there is that chicken scratching part. I cant recall - are there other guitars? Where is Dandy?Quote
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Mathijs
On several Undercover outtakes it is Bill Wyman playing a walking bass, indeed reminiscent of Miss You, but on the released version it is Robbie Shakespeare playing the slap-style bass. Shakespeare also plays bass on Feel on Baby.
Mathijs
Interesting. Wyman says he's playing on "Too Much Blood." Any doubt in your mind that it is Bill on that track?
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Stoneage
So, credo: When they are trying something new they don't trust Bill and Charlie. Credo 2: The Rolling Stones (in studio) is basically Keith and Ron plus session musicians.
Jagger comes in later to add his parts. Bill and Charlie are only trusted to play on a couple of songs. Credo 3: Session musicians seldom gets credit for their input.
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Stoneage
So, credo: When they are trying something new they don't trust Bill and Charlie. Credo 2: The Rolling Stones (in studio) is basically Keith and Ron plus session musicians.
Jagger comes in later to add his parts. Bill and Charlie are only trusted to play on a couple of songs. Credo 3: Session musicians seldom gets credit for their input.
No, it really isn't anything like this. It's really Mick and Keith running the sessions, with Watts, Wood and Wyman being the core band. After the basic tracks are recorded, which takes about a month, they take whatever time is needed to edit and produce the tracks. They can then decide to redo parts, and add whatever session musician is needed for the track.
In the case of Undercover Jagger simply decided they needed a bass track with more energy and tension, more pushing and rolling. This is not in the style of Bill Wyman, so Shakespeare overdubbed his part. No doubt Wood also gave it a shot.
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Stoneage
So, credo: When they are trying something new they don't trust Bill and Charlie. Credo 2: The Rolling Stones (in studio) is basically Keith and Ron plus session musicians.
Jagger comes in later to add his parts. Bill and Charlie are only trusted to play on a couple of songs. Credo 3: Session musicians seldom gets credit for their input.
No, it really isn't anything like this. It's really Mick and Keith running the sessions, with Watts, Wood and Wyman being the core band. After the basic tracks are recorded, which takes about a month, they take whatever time is needed to edit and produce the tracks. They can then decide to redo parts, and add whatever session musician is needed for the track.
In the case of Undercover Jagger simply decided they needed a bass track with more energy and tension, more pushing and rolling. This is not in the style of Bill Wyman, so Shakespeare overdubbed his part. No doubt Wood also gave it a shot.
Mathijs
Agree what you say Mathijs, that it really isn't like that.
And thanks a bunch on info about 'Too Much Blood', and also Jim Barber. There is a photo somewhere of him playing with them during the UC sessions, and for some reason I started getting the notion that it had just been a one time thing; that he maybe happened to be there for that moment. Obviously not.
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Rocky Dijon
Mathijs and Bard could each put together a book on what they hear and/or surmise about studio sessions and I would buy it in a heartbeat. I don't even care when I disagree with one of them once in a while. I find the way both of them write about the evolution of studio tracks to be fascinating.
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rebelhipi
I just noticed that Undercover Of The Night is 4:34min long on the Undercover album and on Forty Licks its only 4:13min long.
On wiki it says ''There are two versions of this song, one featuring usual Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman and the other featuring guest Robbie Shakespeare. ''
Listening to both, they seem the like the same take but only edited on the Licks version.
So i wondered if the version on Licks is the single version, but on discogs it says the legth is 4:31mins (basicly same as in the original album)
Can somebody clarify me on this?