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GasLightStreet
Ah haaaaa..... the gentrification of.
Gentrification implies something is changing, this has been the status quo for quite some time, no?
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You say people go for bathroom breaks during Hot Rocks songs like HTW, for me that’s never been the case but I’m not gonna discount your experiences. Personally, I’ve seen the most bathroom breaks during Keith’s set and Rambler. That may because we usually can’t afford the super close up expensive seats the hardcore fans might buy. I’m usually in the peanut gallery.
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I've never walked out of a Stones show because they played Satisfaction too fast or played Jumpin' Jack Flash like some robot or the cheesiness of Chuck's plinkiness (and the goddamn triangle) in SFTD or didn't play... some deep cut.
Just because you've never walked out of a Stones show doesn't mean you don't regularly post on this site complaining that a group of 80 years olds aren't performing like they did when they were 30. Have you been to any shows this tour or are you basing your opinions off of iPhone recordings you saw on youtube/facebook?
Unlike you, obviously, I'm able to hear a performance from a phone. Bad notes are bad notes. A phone doesn't stop bad notes.
No shows this tour. Last time was 2019. Hardly anything has changed.
Get off your little teeny high horse.
I've never walked out of a Stones show except after they were done. Nor do I complain that they aren't performing like they did when they were 30.
You're teetertottering on gaslighting.
You have major cognitive issues and obviously can't comprehend what people say in "print".
Yeahh, especially the drums sound exactly like in 2019.
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SoulSurvivor1990
I don't know what you've been smoking. A lot has changed since 2019.
- No Charlie and no Brown Sugar
- the reintroduction of 19th Nervous Breakdown as a regular and the debut of Out of Time
- faster tempos
- different stage
- different set list structure
- three-four new songs a night
- Connection and Little T&A returning to Keith's set after having not been played in years
- Miss You is no longer a guarantee
You're missing a great show if you sit this tour out.
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No Brown Sugar is not a surprise? Maybe not anymore, but when 2021 came and it was absent this and other Stones fan boards were definitely in shock that they dropped it. It's been accepted that it's not coming back, but let's not act like it wasn't a surprising change to the status quo.
19NB lasted through all but one 2021 show and most of the 2022 shows til it sadly fell out of rotation. A shame too, because they blasted through it beautifully each time it was played.
The tempos are absolutely faster on some songs. Compare Rocks Off or All Down the Line or Jumping Jack Flash or Paint It Black to a 2016-19 version and there's absolutely a difference. Hell, they did 19NB at the original tempo and rehearsed a very faithful Mother's Little Helper that sadly has yet to see the light of day.
Change is relative with this band, obviously they have a template to follow. But the new songs and the rotations are a fairly notable difference from what we saw in Charlie's last few years with the band.
Connection, whether you like it or not, was gone for a long time. Maybe not one anyone was clamoring for, but it's definitely in league with other rarities fans would want. It was usually played well, too.
Also, they're musically tighter now IMO than they were in 2017-19 and portions of 2021-22. Keith is back to business in a big way. I don't think I've read a single complaint about his playing aside from the first shows where he was getting his energy level back up after Covid.
If you don't like it, fine. But everyone else is enjoying it and would like to see it continue. Every time I count this band out they astound me with their longevity and ability to somehow be better than they were five to seven years ago. Fans old and new leave each show consistently happy aside from a few naysayers who will never be satisfied.
And if a consistent template is what they need to focus at this age and put on a tight, confident show. So be it. More than ever, it's not about what they play but how they play it. And they're playing it damn good right now.
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Fans old and new leave each show consistently happy aside from a few naysayers who will never be satisfied.
They've had the same set list, in general, since 2012. 3-4 new songs, sure. It is the name of the album and tour. They should be...
It's been over for awhile. It will continue. Now it's just about the money, which it basically has been since 1989.
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Fans old and new leave each show consistently happy aside from a few naysayers who will never be satisfied.
They've had the same set list, in general, since 2012. 3-4 new songs, sure. It is the name of the album and tour. They should be...
It's been over for awhile. It will continue. Now it's just about the money, which it basically has been since 1989.
I have tried to avoid being a naysayer. Do that by not posting about touring.
I do disagree that touring is just about the money.
But also I think their setlists show a lack of major development. I appreciate development as a non-musician listener. I still love to listen to the warhorse songs on live albums, when those songs expressed their recent development. I am not that fascinated by those songs on live albums later on, even when they are well done.
Now they have a still quite new studio album that was favourably received. They had the opportunity to renew themselves and manifest a major development by playing live 7-9 songs from it. Only play a few warhorse songs on rotation, varying which ones you would hear.
I avoid completely watching the videos from the concerts, in order to preserve a little of freshness, if I am to attend one more live concert, in case they will tour Europe one more time. To me, preferably in Scandinavia.
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Fans old and new leave each show consistently happy aside from a few naysayers who will never be satisfied.
They've had the same set list, in general, since 2012. 3-4 new songs, sure. It is the name of the album and tour. They should be...
It's been over for awhile. It will continue. Now it's just about the money, which it basically has been since 1989.
I have tried to avoid being a naysayer. Do that by not posting about touring.
I do disagree that touring is just about the money.
But also I think their setlists show a lack of major development. I appreciate development as a non-musician listener. I still love to listen to the warhorse songs on live albums, when those songs expressed their recent development. I am not that fascinated by those songs on live albums later on, even when they are well done.
Now they have a still quite new studio album that was favourably received. They had the opportunity to renew themselves and manifest a major development by playing live 7-9 songs from it. Only play a few warhorse songs on rotation, varying which ones you would hear.
I avoid completely watching the videos from the concerts, in order to preserve a little of freshness, if I am to attend one more live concert, in case they will tour Europe one more time. To me, preferably in Scandinavia.
It's great that you'll get to see them live if they tour Europe.
Have you read Bill German's book? Mick admits STEEL WHEELS was about the money, nothing else. He must've gotten over it to make VOODOO and BRIDGES so quickly after.
It's easy to say it's only about the money since 2012 since so little has changed. But they have done the deluxe reissues updated recordings, BLUE AND LONESOME and HACKNEY DIAMONDS and there is obvious interest in the music on Mick's part so maybe he got over doing it only for the money - but the lack of... diversity in the set lists points towards knowing if they don't play at least 10 songs from HOT ROCKS people won't show up and, aside from not selling out every show since 1994, most of the people are showing up to hear the same old songs. They're not challenging their casual audience, the HOT ROCKS/REWIND fans.
I wish it was 7-9 new songs, a few odd ones from 1968-1983, maybe something from 1997 and 2005 once in a while, and of course, a slimmed down HOT ROCKS/REWIND set list.
That will never happen. Getting 3 Keith vocals on this tour is amazing. And that they've dropped Miss You for a few shows. 3-4 new songs, ok, whatever.
Ever wondered why they called the tour NO FILTER when it was absolutely filtered? Kinda weird.
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Fans old and new leave each show consistently happy aside from a few naysayers who will never be satisfied.
They've had the same set list, in general, since 2012. 3-4 new songs, sure. It is the name of the album and tour. They should be...
It's been over for awhile. It will continue. Now it's just about the money, which it basically has been since 1989.
I have tried to avoid being a naysayer. Do that by not posting about touring.
I do disagree that touring is just about the money.
But also I think their setlists show a lack of major development. I appreciate development as a non-musician listener. I still love to listen to the warhorse songs on live albums, when those songs expressed their recent development. I am not that fascinated by those songs on live albums later on, even when they are well done.
Now they have a still quite new studio album that was favourably received. They had the opportunity to renew themselves and manifest a major development by playing live 7-9 songs from it. Only play a few warhorse songs on rotation, varying which ones you would hear.
I avoid completely watching the videos from the concerts, in order to preserve a little of freshness, if I am to attend one more live concert, in case they will tour Europe one more time. To me, preferably in Scandinavia.
It's great that you'll get to see them live if they tour Europe.
Have you read Bill German's book? Mick admits STEEL WHEELS was about the money, nothing else. He must've gotten over it to make VOODOO and BRIDGES so quickly after.
It's easy to say it's only about the money since 2012 since so little has changed. But they have done the deluxe reissues updated recordings, BLUE AND LONESOME and HACKNEY DIAMONDS and there is obvious interest in the music on Mick's part so maybe he got over doing it only for the money - but the lack of... diversity in the set lists points towards knowing if they don't play at least 10 songs from HOT ROCKS people won't show up and, aside from not selling out every show since 1994, most of the people are showing up to hear the same old songs. They're not challenging their casual audience, the HOT ROCKS/REWIND fans.
I wish it was 7-9 new songs, a few odd ones from 1968-1983, maybe something from 1997 and 2005 once in a while, and of course, a slimmed down HOT ROCKS/REWIND set list.
That will never happen. Getting 3 Keith vocals on this tour is amazing. And that they've dropped Miss You for a few shows. 3-4 new songs, ok, whatever.
Ever wondered why they called the tour NO FILTER when it was absolutely filtered? Kinda weird.
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Fans old and new leave each show consistently happy aside from a few naysayers who will never be satisfied.
They've had the same set list, in general, since 2012. 3-4 new songs, sure. It is the name of the album and tour. They should be...
It's been over for awhile. It will continue. Now it's just about the money, which it basically has been since 1989.
I have tried to avoid being a naysayer. Do that by not posting about touring.
I do disagree that touring is just about the money.
But also I think their setlists show a lack of major development. I appreciate development as a non-musician listener. I still love to listen to the warhorse songs on live albums, when those songs expressed their recent development. I am not that fascinated by those songs on live albums later on, even when they are well done.
Now they have a still quite new studio album that was favourably received. They had the opportunity to renew themselves and manifest a major development by playing live 7-9 songs from it. Only play a few warhorse songs on rotation, varying which ones you would hear.
I avoid completely watching the videos from the concerts, in order to preserve a little of freshness, if I am to attend one more live concert, in case they will tour Europe one more time. To me, preferably in Scandinavia.
It's great that you'll get to see them live if they tour Europe.
Have you read Bill German's book? Mick admits STEEL WHEELS was about the money, nothing else. He must've gotten over it to make VOODOO and BRIDGES so quickly after.
It's easy to say it's only about the money since 2012 since so little has changed. But they have done the deluxe reissues updated recordings, BLUE AND LONESOME and HACKNEY DIAMONDS and there is obvious interest in the music on Mick's part so maybe he got over doing it only for the money - but the lack of... diversity in the set lists points towards knowing if they don't play at least 10 songs from HOT ROCKS people won't show up and, aside from not selling out every show since 1994, most of the people are showing up to hear the same old songs. They're not challenging their casual audience, the HOT ROCKS/REWIND fans.
I wish it was 7-9 new songs, a few odd ones from 1968-1983, maybe something from 1997 and 2005 once in a while, and of course, a slimmed down HOT ROCKS/REWIND set list.
That will never happen. Getting 3 Keith vocals on this tour is amazing. And that they've dropped Miss You for a few shows. 3-4 new songs, ok, whatever.
Ever wondered why they called the tour NO FILTER when it was absolutely filtered? Kinda weird.
No, I have not read Bill German's book.
I guess that by their professional turn in 1989, when the Stones started to largely play great stadia, costs became so large that to begin with they had to think about the income they made. Can such thinking be the basis for what Mick Jagger said?
Some times I have thought that money income may have become a success parameter for them, when they have felt themselves bereaved for creativity by their audiences apparently wanting to hear their most known songs all the time. True or false as to what audiencies must.
Why have the Stones succumbed to that wish? More than the risk that some persons would not turn up if they do not hear all the warhorse songs, I believe that there is another factor at work here. The Rolling Stones live have almost always been known to be dependent on the feedback that they get from their audiences. Mick will probably speak about the empty stares when they play songs that the listeners are not familier with. Probably his fear may work on him earlier than reality. Myself I think most of all that this is the explanation.
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DEmerson
Maybe it’s ’just my imagination, running away with me’ but I have high hopes for the 2 LA shows (I keep looking at flights):
Hoping one of them gets the debut of Bite My Head Off, and that’s where we get Lady Gaga on SSOH, AND, like BV just wrote, Can’t You Hear Me Knocking? in the Rambler/Miss You Spot. Of course any of those could happen in Chicago also.
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CYHMK, yes, my favorite!
Have they rehearsed this at all?
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