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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: TurningToGold2 ()
Date: June 14, 2024 17:43

Just to add my two cents to the conspiracy theories (just kidding!) I think the "problem" Mick may be having isn't singing, I think it's the dancing. "Miss You" is quite an athletic workout and he moves pretty much the whole time.

In Atlanta Keith did the three songs, but I was there and I have to say, Mick's voice sounded GREAT. There was nothing wrong with his voice! THat's why I think it's the dancing that's the problem, not the singing.

Midnight Rambler he plays the harp but he doesn't move around as much, there's a lot less physical dancing involved than in Miss You.

Someone here (I forget who) pointed out that Mick seems to have a problem with the tempo of Sweet Sounds of Heaven being too slow. In New Orleans I clearly saw him wave his hand at the band, as if to say "speed it up." That may be why it has been shelved.

Just think about it and see what you think. I saw two concerts and listened to all the recordings, I haven't heard anything that sounds to me like Mick is "struggling" to sing.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: StonedRambler ()
Date: June 14, 2024 18:43

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TurningToGold2
Just to add my two cents to the conspiracy theories (just kidding!) I think the "problem" Mick may be having isn't singing, I think it's the dancing. "Miss You" is quite an athletic workout and he moves pretty much the whole time.

In Atlanta Keith did the three songs, but I was there and I have to say, Mick's voice sounded GREAT. There was nothing wrong with his voice! THat's why I think it's the dancing that's the problem, not the singing.

Midnight Rambler he plays the harp but he doesn't move around as much, there's a lot less physical dancing involved than in Miss You.

Someone here (I forget who) pointed out that Mick seems to have a problem with the tempo of Sweet Sounds of Heaven being too slow. In New Orleans I clearly saw him wave his hand at the band, as if to say "speed it up." That may be why it has been shelved.

Just think about it and see what you think. I saw two concerts and listened to all the recordings, I haven't heard anything that sounds to me like Mick is "struggling" to sing.

While Micks voice problems were not that obvious during the "home run" in Atlanta he definitely saved his voice a bit. Listen to Gimme Shelter e.g. where he was skipping lines in the chorus.

If it had to do with his stamina, why would he still do the sprint from the b stage to the main stage?

I wonder why they keep it at one encore. If Mick found that SSoH does not work, why wouldn't they have another song like Gimme Shelter or YCAGWYW in its place?

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 15, 2024 19:09

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StonedRambler
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TurningToGold2
Just to add my two cents to the conspiracy theories (just kidding!) I think the "problem" Mick may be having isn't singing, I think it's the dancing. "Miss You" is quite an athletic workout and he moves pretty much the whole time.

In Atlanta Keith did the three songs, but I was there and I have to say, Mick's voice sounded GREAT. There was nothing wrong with his voice! THat's why I think it's the dancing that's the problem, not the singing.

Midnight Rambler he plays the harp but he doesn't move around as much, there's a lot less physical dancing involved than in Miss You.

Someone here (I forget who) pointed out that Mick seems to have a problem with the tempo of Sweet Sounds of Heaven being too slow. In New Orleans I clearly saw him wave his hand at the band, as if to say "speed it up." That may be why it has been shelved.

Just think about it and see what you think. I saw two concerts and listened to all the recordings, I haven't heard anything that sounds to me like Mick is "struggling" to sing.

While Micks voice problems were not that obvious during the "home run" in Atlanta he definitely saved his voice a bit. Listen to Gimme Shelter e.g. where he was skipping lines in the chorus.

If it had to do with his stamina, why would he still do the sprint from the b stage to the main stage?

I wonder why they keep it at one encore. If Mick found that SSoH does not work, why wouldn't they have another song like Gimme Shelter or YCAGWYW in its place?

Because of Rambler?

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: BeastyBurdeny ()
Date: June 17, 2024 01:19

I think it's pretty obvious that the band isn't doing ballads in general right now and there's some sort of reason for that. No SSOH or Wild Horses/Angie/Beast of Burden/Fool to Cry... I think Mick likes doing a ballad each night and am surprised they aren't doing any.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 17, 2024 02:21

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BeastyBurdeny
I think it's pretty obvious that the band isn't doing ballads in general right now and there's some sort of reason for that. No SSOH or Wild Horses/Angie/Beast of Burden/Fool to Cry... I think Mick likes doing a ballad each night and am surprised they aren't doing any.

They've already strayed away from it being the HACKNEY DIAMONDS tour and have slipped back into the NO FILTER set list (basically) with only 3 new songs now. At least the middle one is getting switched around.

They've given up.

1978
Mick: Let's do all but one song from the new album!

Keith: Great!

1981
Mick: Let's do 6 from the new album.

Keith: Great!

1989-90
Mick: Let's only do 3 from the new album.

Keith: Uhhhh, that ain't gonna work, pal.

They wound up doing as many as 6 but settled on 4 on average.

1994-95
Mick: I guess we'll do 6.

Keith: Ok.


It's only gone into the ditch since then.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: BeastyBurdeny ()
Date: June 17, 2024 03:45

I guess the fanbase and attitudes of Stones concert attendees have changed a lot in 60 years. Back then, people were excited about new Stones music. Now it's just us who hope for such things, while the average Stones concert attendee wants to hear their favourite hits.

I know many people that are attending this HD tour, seeing the stones for the first time, and do not want to hear any of the new music.

I asked people I know, that also attended the Seattle show, what they thought of the new tracks and one of them responded "It was horrible, the hits sounded really good though." Another simply said "I didn't care for the new stuff and wish they would have played Shattered or Sweet Virginia.".

I'd love to hear 6-10 HD songs at the next show I see, but we are sadly a minority. I wish the Stones didn't care what their fanbase thought and played it anyways. Their name alone will still put asses in seats.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: June 17, 2024 03:58

Although using Mick's setlist as a starting point I would make some alterations. Ditch Tumbling dice, YCAGWYW and Sympathy. Shift SSOH (as some do like it) to their places....and follow Ron's lead with Miss you and morph it into Hotstuff. (He started playing Hotsuff in the middle of Miss you a while back - I can't remember which show.

Cleveland's show would have looked like this.

Start me up
Get off of my cloud
Let's spend the night together
Angry
Heartbreaker
Monkey man
Whole wide world
Sweet sound of heaven
Rocks off
intros
Tell me straight
Little T & A
Honky tonk women
Miss you/Hotstuff
Gimme shelter
Midnight rambler
Paint it black
Satisfaction
Happy (Mick & Keith on vocals)
Jumping Jack flash



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 17, 2024 04:09

The Stones used to not care what their audience thought - in 1978.

Of course, it was their biggest album ever at that point.

1981-82 as well.

I just read Bill German's book again and he pinpointed the Vegas shows of the 1994 tour as when the Stones stopped being a band (not his words) and the VOODOO tour was ridiculously corporate - way more so than STEEL WHEELS (aka the emotionally frail/failed solo artist Jagger admittedly only doing it for the money tour).

The 2024 tour, like the last 10 tours, is HOT ROCKS + REWIND + etc. Mostly 1960s, a few 1970s, 2 1980s songs and 3-4 2023 songs.

As much as I (enter whatever here) about HACKNEY DIAMONDS it doesn't actually matter to the majority audience that they have a new album because they want to hear the same tired songs again.

Which, sure, most of them are great - on album. They haven't played Jumpin' Jack Flash worth a damn in 40 years. Satisfaction is a log rolling down a hill. Gimme Shelter is a mess. SFTD should be in a coffin already - that song hasn't genuinely been performed since 1976 - it's just the Stones covering a karaoke version of SFTD.

Yet Tumbling Dice, Midnight... quite a few others, are still played with conviction and interest.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: June 17, 2024 05:04

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GasLightStreet
The Stones used to not care what their audience thought - in 1978.

Of course, it was their biggest album ever at that point.

1981-82 as well.

I just read Bill German's book again and he pinpointed the Vegas shows of the 1994 tour as when the Stones stopped being a band (not his words) and the VOODOO tour was ridiculously corporate - way more so than STEEL WHEELS (aka the emotionally frail/failed solo artist Jagger admittedly only doing it for the money tour).

The 2024 tour, like the last 10 tours, is HOT ROCKS + REWIND + etc. Mostly 1960s, a few 1970s, 2 1980s songs and 3-4 2023 songs.

As much as I (enter whatever here) about HACKNEY DIAMONDS it doesn't actually matter to the majority audience that they have a new album because they want to hear the same tired songs again.

Which, sure, most of them are great - on album. They haven't played Jumpin' Jack Flash worth a damn in 40 years. Satisfaction is a log rolling down a hill. Gimme Shelter is a mess. SFTD should be in a coffin already - that song hasn't genuinely been performed since 1976 - it's just the Stones covering a karaoke version of SFTD.

Yet Tumbling Dice, Midnight... quite a few others, are still played with conviction and interest.

what's your issue with jjf? (40 years?confused smiley)

to me they almost always play that one great including on this tour

and it's definitely played with conviction and interest

i get what you mean about satisfaction they should shorten it to about three minutes, speed it up, drop the solos from keith and play it as an opener and close with jjf

sftd i think your being generous towards and i don't care for the 76 versions either and the 69 versions are better but it's just not a song that translates well onstage in my opinion

the 76 versions are a complete mess and mick just screaming and slurring the lyrics

sometimes nowadays on a good night keith can pull of a good sloppy version of gimme shelter and that for me is enough to keep it in the set

agree about tumbling dice and midnight rambler too



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: FeelslikeaGhost ()
Date: June 17, 2024 06:56

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GasLightStreet
Satisfaction is a log rolling down a hill. Gimme Shelter is a mess. SFTD should be in a coffin already - that song hasn't genuinely been performed since 1976 - it's just the Stones covering a karaoke version of SFTD.

No, the band are not giving lackluster performances you are just tired of hearing these songs.

When I saw the Stones for the first time in 2019, at age 15, I was blown away by all these songs. I'm sure for a jaded, cynical Stones fan it'd be easy to scoff at that shows setlist, write it off as generic and then pat yourself on the back because you're not a 'basic Stones fan'; no no no, you're one of the special ones.

But for a teen boy who, like many in the audience, is experiencing the magic for the first time, these songs, like Sympathy or Gimme Shelter, being performed live will become indelible memories that we will cherish for the rest of our lives. Are they still playing Sympathy like they did in 1976? no of course not, that was almost 50 years ago.

We are so lucky that these guys are still touring yet I always see a lot of ungrateful, miserable fans who do nothing but complain. Every time I open this site it's always the same whining;

"The set has too many warhorses!"
"The backing singer is too theatrical!"
"The stage is too generic!"
"The guitars are too quiet!"
"The poster sucks!"
"The song vote is rigged!"

It's fine to criticize the band, don't get me wrong. But some of this comes off as entitlement rather than fair criticism. Let's face it, the ride is almost over. Why not try and appreciate what we have while we have it? I wish I could've been alive to have seen them in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s but I'm lucky enough to have seen them at all, let alone 3 times.

When all is said and done, when Mick, Keith and Ronnie are no longer with us, will you look back on these last few years and regret the constant complaining? Will you still be mad that they didn't play more deep cuts? Will you still bitch about the fact that they played 'Start Me Up' every night? Becuase I can assure you, many fans will just be grateful that instead of retiring and f*cking off to some island in Fiji, the band decided to keep touring into their old age, bringing the magic to generations of fans around the world.



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: June 17, 2024 07:34

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FeelslikeaGhost
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GasLightStreet
Satisfaction is a log rolling down a hill. Gimme Shelter is a mess. SFTD should be in a coffin already - that song hasn't genuinely been performed since 1976 - it's just the Stones covering a karaoke version of SFTD.

No, the band are not giving lackluster performances you are just tired of hearing these songs.

When I saw the Stones for the first time in 2019, at age 15, I was blown away by all these songs. I'm sure for a jaded, cynical Stones fan it'd be easy to scoff at that shows setlist, write it off as generic and then pat yourself on the back because you're not a 'basic Stones fan'; no no no, you're one of the special ones.

But for a teen boy who, like many in the audience, is experiencing the magic for the first time, these songs, like Sympathy or Gimme Shelter, being performed live will become indelible memories that we will cherish for the rest of our lives. Are they still playing Sympathy like they did in 1976? no of course not, that was almost 50 years ago.

We are so lucky that these guys are still touring yet I always see a lot of ungrateful, miserable fans who do nothing but complain. Every time I open this site it's always the same whining;

"The set has too many warhorses!"
"The backing singer is too theatrical!"
"The stage is too generic!"
"The guitars are too quiet!"
"The poster sucks!"
"The song vote is rigged!"

It's fine to criticize the band, don't get me wrong. But some of this comes off as entitlement rather than fair criticism. Let's face it, the ride is almost over. Why not try and appreciate what we have while we have it? I wish I could've been alive to have seen them in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s but I'm lucky enough to have seen them at all, let alone 3 times.

When all is said and done, when Mick, Keith and Ronnie are no longer with us, will you look back on these last few years and regret the constant complaining? Will you still be mad that they didn't play more deep cuts? Will you still bitch about the fact that they played 'Start Me Up' every night? Becuase I can assure you, many fans will just be grateful that instead of retiring and f*cking off to some island in Fiji, the band decided to keep touring into their old age, bringing the magic to generations of fans around the world.

sorta related but i found this video a few hours ago and wanted to share it but couldn't find the right place or context

then i read your comments

anyone wondering what good there accomplishing by continuing to tour and perform watch this





also some of those common complaints are almost tradition here at this point i wouldn't take it to seriously



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: June 17, 2024 12:17

A very farfetched argument. Hardcore fans are closer to 70 than 17 and very few teenagers pay for their own tickets. And I don't think the concerts would serve a game changer for them,
rather the records (if their father or grandpa would let them listen to them)...

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: June 17, 2024 17:08

I've seen two shows on this tour, Las Vegas and Cleveland.

Total of 38 songs between the two gigs.
Total of 25 different songs between the two gigs.
Total of 4 different Keith songs.
Total of 5 different new songs off of Hackney Diamonds.

I'm HAPPY.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: TW2019 ()
Date: June 17, 2024 17:38

Maybe Keith singing 3 songs for the last 3 shows is just making up singing 1 for the first 3 shows. Having seen Atlanta, Philly, and Cleveland I didn’t notice anything really wrong with Micks voice. Mick is a professional. Maybe it’s just maintenance in this stretch. Idk I’m not looking into it too hard. I do suspect SSOH to be back in Chicago though



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: Sighunt ()
Date: June 17, 2024 18:34

I haven't wade in on these setlist discussions as of late as I don't feel there is much to add given what's already been posted. I do find it interesting and curious that Keith is now doing three songs in the setlist although I can only surmise it is to give Mick a longer breather. For me the biggest disappointment is not performing SSOH which arguably is near the top of the crop of their new material and really deserves to be showcased. Is Mick Jagger not confident in the new matetial? I hope it returns even if it means reworking it and putting it somewhere else in the setlist although I think it worked fine in the encore.



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: FeelslikeaGhost ()
Date: June 17, 2024 18:39

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Stoneage
A very farfetched argument. Hardcore fans are closer to 70 than 17 and very few teenagers pay for their own tickets. And I don't think the concerts would serve a game changer for them,
rather the records (if their father or grandpa would let them listen to them)...

My argument isn’t about age, it’s about how many times the average Stones concert goer has seen the band. The assertion that every 70 year old in the audience is tired of JJF, Sympathy or Gimme Shelter is ridiculously out of touch.

I’d argue that a huge chunk of the audience are seeing them for the first time. Another huge chunk might have seen them the last time they were in town, and the smallest chunk are fans who travel to multiple shows a year.

In my limited experience, the ones who are seeing them for the first time walk out the most satisfied. These are the people that get labeled derogatorily as “Stones Tourists”. People on here like to gate keep and say tourists aren’t real Stones fans.

For those my age, myself included, seeing them live is a HUGE game changer. I took my friend to the show in Phoenix, he wasn’t that big of a fan before but after that show he’s all in. I guarantee you that if the set only consisted of deep cuts and b-sides rather than songs he already knew like Paint it Black or Miss You, he wouldn’t have walked out with as much appreciation for the band.



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: SoulSurvivor1990 ()
Date: June 17, 2024 18:45

None of the Sweet Sounds performance have come close to the Racket performance with Gaga. That is stunning, nuanced, tight and connected late period Stones. That Jagger at 80 recreated and topped the howls from the studio take blows my mind. And Gaga really compliments him well, not that Chanel doesn’t.

The tour versions lose something without the breakdown / reprise at the end. I guess it’s too much asking Mick to be hitting high E’s night after night, but that’s not all that is missing. The song never fully coalesces musically to my ears, it sounds like they’re figuring it out as they go along.

In the past few years we got some stunning ballad performances from the band - I Got the Blues from the Fonda, Beast of Burden from L.A. 2 in 2021, the few airings we’ve gotten of Fool to Cry. Not sure why this one is struggling to join the ranks.

As for the rest of the set, it’s as good as we can expect, I think. Three-four new songs has been standard most legacy acts, but they do add needed freshness and energy to the set.

There is something No Security-ish how they’re front-loading the set with songs like Bitch and GOOMC while relegating the usual warhorses to the back end of the main set. Also, they are playing really well. Just listen to a Paint It Black this tour, Mick is singing with such deep conviction and Keith is a monster. Same with JJF, Satisfaction, and a few others.

As long as they’re sharp and invigorated, I truly don’t care what they play.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: June 17, 2024 19:07

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SoulSurvivor1990
None of the Sweet Sounds performance have come close to the Racket performance with Gaga. That is stunning, nuanced, tight and connected late period Stones. That Jagger at 80 recreated and topped the howls from the studio take blows my mind. And Gaga really compliments him well, not that Chanel doesn’t.

The tour versions lose something without the breakdown / reprise at the end. I guess it’s too much asking Mick to be hitting high E’s night after night, but that’s not all that is missing. The song never fully coalesces musically to my ears, it sounds like they’re figuring it out as they go along.

In the past few years we got some stunning ballad performances from the band - I Got the Blues from the Fonda, Beast of Burden from L.A. 2 in 2021, the few airings we’ve gotten of Fool to Cry. Not sure why this one is struggling to join the ranks.

As for the rest of the set, it’s as good as we can expect, I think. Three-four new songs has been standard most legacy acts, but they do add needed freshness and energy to the set.

There is something No Security-ish how they’re front-loading the set with songs like Bitch and GOOMC while relegating the usual warhorses to the back end of the main set. Also, they are playing really well. Just listen to a Paint It Black this tour, Mick is singing with such deep conviction and Keith is a monster. Same with JJF, Satisfaction, and a few others.

As long as they’re sharp and invigorated, I truly don’t care what they play.

Well said. Felt like they were on in Atlanta, so I didn’t miss SSOH. I love SSOH, but the whole show was so good, I was 100% pleased.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: BeastyBurdeny ()
Date: June 17, 2024 23:06

I think SSOH will be back for one of the Chicago and one of the LA shows.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 18, 2024 05:12

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FeelslikeaGhost
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GasLightStreet
Satisfaction is a log rolling down a hill. Gimme Shelter is a mess. SFTD should be in a coffin already - that song hasn't genuinely been performed since 1976 - it's just the Stones covering a karaoke version of SFTD.

No, the band are not giving lackluster performances you are just tired of hearing these songs.

Oh really.

Wrong.

You completely misunderstood the point.

It happens.

I never said they're giving lackluster performances.

For example, they could play Jumpin' Jack Flash like their lives depended on it because Godzilla is about to smash the stadium:

You missed the point entirely.

AMAZINGLY.

As in you entirely missed the point of WHY THE HOW they're playing the songs, not HOW they're playing the songs. Yeah, EVERYONE knows it's not 1969 or 1975 or 1978... yet they still play certain songs in a way that:

1. Are just as good or interesting as (enter year here)
2. Are completely pointless - like She Was Hot, She's So Cold and a few others - they can nail the details of Monkey Man and vamp in Midnight Rambler but they can't get the subtly of She's So Cold or the tight crispness of She Was Hot live? The play Emotional Rescue like it's a canoe getting dragged through mud?

They've been destroying those songs live, give or take, since 1981.

Find another way to not respond with your response that makes zero sense.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 18, 2024 05:18

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ProfessorWolf
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GasLightStreet
The Stones used to not care what their audience thought - in 1978.

Of course, it was their biggest album ever at that point.

1981-82 as well.

I just read Bill German's book again and he pinpointed the Vegas shows of the 1994 tour as when the Stones stopped being a band (not his words) and the VOODOO tour was ridiculously corporate - way more so than STEEL WHEELS (aka the emotionally frail/failed solo artist Jagger admittedly only doing it for the money tour).

The 2024 tour, like the last 10 tours, is HOT ROCKS + REWIND + etc. Mostly 1960s, a few 1970s, 2 1980s songs and 3-4 2023 songs.

As much as I (enter whatever here) about HACKNEY DIAMONDS it doesn't actually matter to the majority audience that they have a new album because they want to hear the same tired songs again.

Which, sure, most of them are great - on album. They haven't played Jumpin' Jack Flash worth a damn in 40 years. Satisfaction is a log rolling down a hill. Gimme Shelter is a mess. SFTD should be in a coffin already - that song hasn't genuinely been performed since 1976 - it's just the Stones covering a karaoke version of SFTD.

Yet Tumbling Dice, Midnight... quite a few others, are still played with conviction and interest.

what's your issue with jjf? (40 years?confused smiley)

It's been on auto post-1971. It's just a bashing of cinder blocks ever since 1972. There's no sex to it - no hips, now sway, no swagger, just plow. They still perform other songs with that emphasis. Yet JJF they just PLOW THROUGH. It's borderline mall music the way they've played it since 1989.

Listen to LOVE YOU LIVE's version - it's beyond out of control. Then listen to...




Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 18, 2024 05:21

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ProfessorWolf
Quote
GasLightStreet
The Stones used to not care what their audience thought - in 1978.

Of course, it was their biggest album ever at that point.

1981-82 as well.

I just read Bill German's book again and he pinpointed the Vegas shows of the 1994 tour as when the Stones stopped being a band (not his words) and the VOODOO tour was ridiculously corporate - way more so than STEEL WHEELS (aka the emotionally frail/failed solo artist Jagger admittedly only doing it for the money tour).

The 2024 tour, like the last 10 tours, is HOT ROCKS + REWIND + etc. Mostly 1960s, a few 1970s, 2 1980s songs and 3-4 2023 songs.

As much as I (enter whatever here) about HACKNEY DIAMONDS it doesn't actually matter to the majority audience that they have a new album because they want to hear the same tired songs again.

Which, sure, most of them are great - on album. They haven't played Jumpin' Jack Flash worth a damn in 40 years. Satisfaction is a log rolling down a hill. Gimme Shelter is a mess. SFTD should be in a coffin already - that song hasn't genuinely been performed since 1976 - it's just the Stones covering a karaoke version of SFTD.

Yet Tumbling Dice, Midnight... quite a few others, are still played with conviction and interest.

what's your issue with jjf? (40 years?confused smiley)

to me they almost always play that one great including on this tour

and it's definitely played with conviction and interest

i get what you mean about satisfaction they should shorten it to about three minutes, speed it up, drop the solos from keith and play it as an opener and close with jjf

sftd i think your being generous towards and i don't care for the 76 versions either and the 69 versions are better but it's just not a song that translates well onstage in my opinion

the 76 versions are a complete mess and mick just screaming and slurring the lyrics

sometimes nowadays on a good night keith can pull of a good sloppy version of gimme shelter and that for me is enough to keep it in the set

agree about tumbling dice and midnight rambler too

LOL I can't recall what song exactly but the New Orleans 2019 show Ronnie played the same licks as some live release and I thought WHAT!!!???

Of course, that's my reference. His reference is... what he's been playing for 49 years or whatever the hell it is.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 18, 2024 05:32

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FeelslikeaGhost
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Stoneage
A very farfetched argument. Hardcore fans are closer to 70 than 17 and very few teenagers pay for their own tickets. And I don't think the concerts would serve a game changer for them,
rather the records (if their father or grandpa would let them listen to them)...

My argument isn’t about age, it’s about how many times the average Stones concert goer has seen the band. The assertion that every 70 year old in the audience is tired of JJF, Sympathy or Gimme Shelter is ridiculously out of touch.

I’d argue that a huge chunk of the audience are seeing them for the first time. Another huge chunk might have seen them the last time they were in town, and the smallest chunk are fans who travel to multiple shows a year.

In my limited experience, the ones who are seeing them for the first time walk out the most satisfied. These are the people that get labeled derogatorily as “Stones Tourists”. People on here like to gate keep and say tourists aren’t real Stones fans.

For those my age, myself included, seeing them live is a HUGE game changer. I took my friend to the show in Phoenix, he wasn’t that big of a fan before but after that show he’s all in. I guarantee you that if the set only consisted of deep cuts and b-sides rather than songs he already knew like Paint it Black or Miss You, he wouldn’t have walked out with as much appreciation for the band.

Ah haaaaa..... the gentrification of.

Long story short: people in New Orleans have been and are complaining about the gentrification of particular neighborhoods - but they aren't willing to "pitch in" to save...

I've seen the Stones 4 times. I couldn't tell you who saw them for the first time because a lot of people looked like multi-timers. Bathroom breaks were during Honky Tonk Women usually - or some other HOT ROCKS song.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: FeelslikeaGhost ()
Date: June 18, 2024 05:43

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Ah haaaaa..... the gentrification of.

Gentrification implies something is changing, this has been the status quo for quite some time, no?

You say people go for bathroom breaks during Hot Rocks songs like HTW, for me that’s never been the case but I’m not gonna discount your experiences. Personally, I’ve seen the most bathroom breaks during Keith’s set and Rambler. That may because we usually can’t afford the super close up expensive seats the hardcore fans might buy. I’m usually in the peanut gallery.



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 18, 2024 05:45

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When all is said and done, when Mick, Keith and Ronnie are no longer with us, will you look back on these last few years and regret the constant complaining? Will you still be mad that they didn't play more deep cuts? Will you still bitch about the fact that they played 'Start Me Up' every night? Becuase I can assure you, many fans will just be grateful that instead of retiring and f*cking off to some island in Fiji, the band decided to keep touring into their old age, bringing the magic to generations of fans around the world.

You're not talking to me with that above.

You're just throwing out an assumptive position of all that you've read here, obviously, and what you assume, in your lackluster response to my particular aspectual post, that is indeed a specific critique - however I've never walked out of a Stones show because they played Satisfaction too fast or played Jumpin' Jack Flash like some robot or the cheesiness of Chuck's plinkiness (and the goddamn triangle) in SFTD or didn't play... some deep cut.

You're assuming.

Actually read what's said, don't just fly off in a flag waving reaction.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: FeelslikeaGhost ()
Date: June 18, 2024 06:12

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I've never walked out of a Stones show because they played Satisfaction too fast or played Jumpin' Jack Flash like some robot or the cheesiness of Chuck's plinkiness (and the goddamn triangle) in SFTD or didn't play... some deep cut.

Just because you've never walked out of a Stones show doesn't mean you don't regularly post on this site complaining that a group of 80 years olds aren't performing like they did when they were 30. Have you been to any shows this tour or are you basing your opinions off of iPhone recordings you saw on youtube/facebook?



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: June 18, 2024 07:59

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The Stones used to not care what their audience thought - in 1978.

Of course, it was their biggest album ever at that point.

1981-82 as well.

I just read Bill German's book again and he pinpointed the Vegas shows of the 1994 tour as when the Stones stopped being a band (not his words) and the VOODOO tour was ridiculously corporate - way more so than STEEL WHEELS (aka the emotionally frail/failed solo artist Jagger admittedly only doing it for the money tour).

The 2024 tour, like the last 10 tours, is HOT ROCKS + REWIND + etc. Mostly 1960s, a few 1970s, 2 1980s songs and 3-4 2023 songs.

As much as I (enter whatever here) about HACKNEY DIAMONDS it doesn't actually matter to the majority audience that they have a new album because they want to hear the same tired songs again.

Which, sure, most of them are great - on album. They haven't played Jumpin' Jack Flash worth a damn in 40 years. Satisfaction is a log rolling down a hill. Gimme Shelter is a mess. SFTD should be in a coffin already - that song hasn't genuinely been performed since 1976 - it's just the Stones covering a karaoke version of SFTD.

Yet Tumbling Dice, Midnight... quite a few others, are still played with conviction and interest.

what's your issue with jjf? (40 years?confused smiley)

It's been on auto post-1971. It's just a bashing of cinder blocks ever since 1972. There's no sex to it - no hips, now sway, no swagger, just plow. They still perform other songs with that emphasis. Yet JJF they just PLOW THROUGH. It's borderline mall music the way they've played it since 1989.

Listen to LOVE YOU LIVE's version - it's beyond out of control. Then listen to...



you have and interesting perspective on this

and yes nice version has bit more groove to it

but a little to laid back and slow for my tastes i prefer the fast punky versions from 78

that's my ideal jjf

but ya know to each there own



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Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 20, 2024 08:29

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I've never walked out of a Stones show because they played Satisfaction too fast or played Jumpin' Jack Flash like some robot or the cheesiness of Chuck's plinkiness (and the goddamn triangle) in SFTD or didn't play... some deep cut.

Just because you've never walked out of a Stones show doesn't mean you don't regularly post on this site complaining that a group of 80 years olds aren't performing like they did when they were 30. Have you been to any shows this tour or are you basing your opinions off of iPhone recordings you saw on youtube/facebook?

Unlike you, obviously, I'm able to hear a performance from a phone. Bad notes are bad notes. A phone doesn't stop bad notes.

No shows this tour. Last time was 2019. Hardly anything has changed.

Get off your little teeny high horse.

I've never walked out of a Stones show except after they were done. Nor do I complain that they aren't performing like they did when they were 30.

You're teetertottering on gaslighting.

You have major cognitive issues and obviously can't comprehend what people say in "print".

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: hockenheim95 ()
Date: June 20, 2024 10:41

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I've never walked out of a Stones show because they played Satisfaction too fast or played Jumpin' Jack Flash like some robot or the cheesiness of Chuck's plinkiness (and the goddamn triangle) in SFTD or didn't play... some deep cut.

Just because you've never walked out of a Stones show doesn't mean you don't regularly post on this site complaining that a group of 80 years olds aren't performing like they did when they were 30. Have you been to any shows this tour or are you basing your opinions off of iPhone recordings you saw on youtube/facebook?

Unlike you, obviously, I'm able to hear a performance from a phone. Bad notes are bad notes. A phone doesn't stop bad notes.

No shows this tour. Last time was 2019. Hardly anything has changed.

Get off your little teeny high horse.

I've never walked out of a Stones show except after they were done. Nor do I complain that they aren't performing like they did when they were 30.

You're teetertottering on gaslighting.

You have major cognitive issues and obviously can't comprehend what people say in "print".

Yeahh, especially the drums sound exactly like in 2019.

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
Posted by: SoulSurvivor1990 ()
Date: June 20, 2024 15:06

I don't know what you've been smoking. A lot has changed since 2019.

- No Charlie and no Brown Sugar
- the reintroduction of 19th Nervous Breakdown as a regular and the debut of Out of Time
- faster tempos
- different stage
- different set list structure
- three-four new songs a night
- Connection and Little T&A returning to Keith's set after having not been played in years
- Miss You is no longer a guarantee

You're missing a great show if you sit this tour out.

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