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jlowe
Good quote but you wonder about Keiths grasp of the real world in his comment about making serious money.
In 1971 he, with Mick got a huge payment for back publishing royalties and by then they had already aquired a property portfolio which most peopke could only dream about.
The rent for his villa in France was high by anyones standards and his lifestyle was hardly one who was "broke".
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Books unfortunately about the Stones are written by "wannabe Stones inner circle", but in fact are no more than journalists who are slightly more ambitious and more intellectual. I read a book on Keef ( treacle hates that term ) by Spanish Tony ( not an intellectual but equally ambitions ) that completely took the soul out of Keith. And i don't believe it to be a true indication of the man. So please, books on the Stones, keep them for the library..
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Books unfortunately about the Stones are written by "wannabe Stones inner circle", but in fact are no more than journalists who are slightly more ambitious and more intellectual. I read a book on Keef ( treacle hates that term ) by Spanish Tony ( not an intellectual but equally ambitions ) that completely took the soul out of Keith. And i don't believe it to be a true indication of the man. So please, books on the Stones, keep them for the library..
Spanish Tony was still closer to the inner circle than Phillip Norman.
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Tony spent a long time with Keith and the Stones, nearly 10 years. He knew all of Keith's secrets, he did a lot of dreadful things on Keith's behalf, and even tried to get Tony to kill someone. But as he said in the interview posted recently, Keith cut Tony loose, leaving him to cope alone with his massive drug addiction. Hard to say if Tony's book was payback for Keith's betrayals through the years, or simply because it was all he had left to sell.
I have a strong feeling that Keith's continuing financial support of Anita, as well as being recognition for his old lover and the mother of three of his children, is an insurance policy that her memoirs of their life togther will never see the light of day.
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Tony spent a long time with Keith and the Stones, nearly 10 years. He knew all of Keith's secrets, he did a lot of dreadful things on Keith's behalf, and even tried to get Tony to kill someone. But as he said in the interview posted recently, Keith cut Tony loose, leaving him to cope alone with his massive drug addiction. Hard to say if Tony's book was payback for Keith's betrayals through the years, or simply because it was all he had left to sell.
I have a strong feeling that Keith's continuing financial support of Anita, as well as being recognition for his old lover and the mother of three of his children, is an insurance policy that her memoirs of their life togther will never see the light of day.
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Everyone always wants to believe the best of Keith, and it's easy to see why - as well as being a super-nova among stars, he's friendly, funny, witty, charming, and relaxed. What's not to love?
But even he admitted the truth of what Spanish Tony had written....and I would bet pounds to sixpence that there was much more that Tony held back.
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I have a strong feeling that Keith's continuing financial support of Anita, as well as being recognition for his old lover and the mother of three of his children, is an insurance policy that her memoirs of their life togther will never see the light of day.
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>>the funny/witty/charming bit is relatively new.
Not true. Keith was giving great interviews decades ago in Rolling Stone. A journalist said he was the best interview in rock'n'roll. Mick is the one who has opened up a lot more in the past few years.
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Bliss
Is an interview done at Nellcote in 1971 early enough?
Robert Greenfield interviews Keith Richards
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Well Keith was far too shy do give a good interview until he learned to be more relaxed in his skin. This would be about 81' . He always had great things to say but learned how to say them with panache and jenesequa later in life.
However sometimes he can still sound awkward and embarrassing, but not recently, he seems to be very relaxed and fluent even when sober now lol
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That does tie in with my original point, that Keith was certainly capable of the treachery Spanish Tony described.
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Well Keith was far too shy do give a good interview until he learned to be more relaxed in his skin. This would be about 81' . He always had great things to say but learned how to say them with panache and jenesequa later in life.
However sometimes he can still sound awkward and embarrassing, but not recently, he seems to be very relaxed and fluent even when sober now lol
i found most of this interviews interesting, even in the beginning when he was, as you say, very shy... you can see him holding back, not wanting to say anything, and then blurting out something funny, true, and blunt...
i'm just saying that he had a bad boy persona before his more recent "friendly nice guy" routine. i'm surprised that there is any debate about it to be honest.
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Well Keith was far too shy do give a good interview until he learned to be more relaxed in his skin. This would be about 81' . He always had great things to say but learned how to say them with panache and jenesequa later in life.
However sometimes he can still sound awkward and embarrassing, but not recently, he seems to be very relaxed and fluent even when sober now lol
i found most of this interviews interesting, even in the beginning when he was, as you say, very shy... you can see him holding back, not wanting to say anything, and then blurting out something funny, true, and blunt...
i'm just saying that he had a bad boy persona before his more recent "friendly nice guy" routine. i'm surprised that there is any debate about it to be honest.
I think it was said by many who new him, before the Keith we see today, that Keith was very funny, entertaining and knowledgeable off camera.
Then his whole persona changed about 81' to 83' he suddenly became the opposite of shy. He was very direct and had this larger than life manner about him.
Its why i find him fascinating, he has multiple persona's.
He seems to appeal to everyone from the junkie on the street to ex presidents.
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Well Keith was far too shy do give a good interview until he learned to be more relaxed in his skin. This would be about 81' . He always had great things to say but learned how to say them with panache and jenesequa later in life.
However sometimes he can still sound awkward and embarrassing, but not recently, he seems to be very relaxed and fluent even when sober now lol
i found most of this interviews interesting, even in the beginning when he was, as you say, very shy... you can see him holding back, not wanting to say anything, and then blurting out something funny, true, and blunt...
i'm just saying that he had a bad boy persona before his more recent "friendly nice guy" routine. i'm surprised that there is any debate about it to be honest.
I think it was said by many who new him, before the Keith we see today, that Keith was very funny, entertaining and knowledgeable off camera.
Then his whole persona changed about 81' to 83' he suddenly became the opposite of shy. He was very direct and had this larger than life manner about him.
Its why i find him fascinating, he has multiple persona's.
He seems to appeal to everyone from the junkie on the street to ex presidents.
do you think it was patti's influence on him? or kicking heroin? or both... he had 2 big life changes around that time.
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Well Keith was far too shy do give a good interview until he learned to be more relaxed in his skin. This would be about 81' . He always had great things to say but learned how to say them with panache and jenesequa later in life.
However sometimes he can still sound awkward and embarrassing, but not recently, he seems to be very relaxed and fluent even when sober now lol
i found most of this interviews interesting, even in the beginning when he was, as you say, very shy... you can see him holding back, not wanting to say anything, and then blurting out something funny, true, and blunt...
i'm just saying that he had a bad boy persona before his more recent "friendly nice guy" routine. i'm surprised that there is any debate about it to be honest.
I think it was said by many who new him, before the Keith we see today, that Keith was very funny, entertaining and knowledgeable off camera.
Then his whole persona changed about 81' to 83' he suddenly became the opposite of shy. He was very direct and had this larger than life manner about him.
Its why i find him fascinating, he has multiple persona's.
He seems to appeal to everyone from the junkie on the street to ex presidents.
do you think it was patti's influence on him? or kicking heroin? or both... he had 2 big life changes around that time.
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Well Keith was far too shy do give a good interview until he learned to be more relaxed in his skin. This would be about 81' . He always had great things to say but learned how to say them with panache and jenesequa later in life.
However sometimes he can still sound awkward and embarrassing, but not recently, he seems to be very relaxed and fluent even when sober now lol
i found most of this interviews interesting, even in the beginning when he was, as you say, very shy... you can see him holding back, not wanting to say anything, and then blurting out something funny, true, and blunt...
i'm just saying that he had a bad boy persona before his more recent "friendly nice guy" routine. i'm surprised that there is any debate about it to be honest.
I think it was said by many who new him, before the Keith we see today, that Keith was very funny, entertaining and knowledgeable off camera.
Then his whole persona changed about 81' to 83' he suddenly became the opposite of shy. He was very direct and had this larger than life manner about him.
Its why i find him fascinating, he has multiple persona's.
He seems to appeal to everyone from the junkie on the street to ex presidents.
do you think it was patti's influence on him? or kicking heroin? or both... he had 2 big life changes around that time.
Personally - and this is just a guess - I think it was getting away from Anita. They were both junkie outlaws together, they had been through so much, they had so many reasons to be angry and bitter and mistrustful. Patti was altogether different. Although she could party like Keith, it came from a very different place. She has only ever given a few interviews, but I have never read anything negative from her. She has a huge family; they are very central to her life and from the start, she pulled Keith and her kids into it. I think Patti stabilised Keith and that led to him opening up and relaxing.
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Personally - and this is just a guess - I think it was getting away from Anita. They were both junkie outlaws together, they had been through so much, they had so many reasons to be angry and bitter and mistrustful. Patti was altogether different. Although she could party like Keith, it came from a very different place. She has only ever given a few interviews, but I have never read anything negative from her. She has a huge family; they are very central to her life and from the start, she pulled Keith and her kids into it. I think Patti stabilised Keith and that led to him opening up and relaxing.
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What amazes me is Anita's rehabilitation, going back about 20 years. It's true that apparently she has been financially supported by Keith straight through, and never had to support herself, but after their r'ship ended, in the 80s she had a terrible series of misfortunes - she was prosecuted for something in London, had a broken hip, has/had hepatitis C. The Scott Cantrell death left a long shadow over her reputation. Yet in the 90s, she turned her life around, cleaned herself up, lost a lot of weight, studied fashion design at St Martins which is very prestigious and competitive for entry. She has a huge number of celebrity friends who seem to be very loyal to her. Although I have only seen one photo of her with Angela (at her wedding), Anita is apparently close to Marlon. Patti has included her in the family circle. I can't recall a single interview where she hasn't sounded controlled and very lucid.
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What amazes me is Anita's rehabilitation, going back about 20 years. It's true that apparently she has been financially supported by Keith straight through, and never had to support herself, but after their r'ship ended, in the 80s she had a terrible series of misfortunes - she was prosecuted for something in London, had a broken hip, has/had hepatitis C. The Scott Cantrell death left a long shadow over her reputation. Yet in the 90s, she turned her life around, cleaned herself up, lost a lot of weight, studied fashion design at St Martins which is very prestigious and competitive for entry. She has a huge number of celebrity friends who seem to be very loyal to her. Although I have only seen one photo of her with Angela (at her wedding), Anita is apparently close to Marlon. Patti has included her in the family circle. I can't recall a single interview where she hasn't sounded controlled and very lucid.
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jlowe
Kate Moss! Now thats a steadying influence, not.
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jlowe
Kate Moss! Now thats a steadying influence, not.
Well Ronnie said that Kate is very supportive and forceful in preventing him drinking on a few occasions.