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Don't see why it was so hard to accommodate Wyman and Taylor,considering The Eagles invited Bernie Leadon back after 40 years and had him play the whole 1st set,plus encores!

And The Beach Boys had the courtesy to bring back all the living original Beach Boys for a 50th Anniversary Tour, even David Marks who hadn't been in the band since the mid 60s and no one even knew who the hell he was! AND THEN Mike Love was a dick enough to take that all away from them the next year and continue touring without all but Bruce Johnston. If you want to talk about cruel, thats cruel.

So the real question becomes, especially with the Beach Boys, was it worth having that one year reunion, like the Beach Boys did, like the Eagles did, if it did only happen for money and for a year? Its tricky. You'd probably say yes, but its not that cut and dry. We can all say it wouldn't be hard to accommodate Wyman and Taylor like how the Eagles did, but its so much more complicated than you can imagine. I applaud a band like the Beach Boys that were able to pull it off, but is it worth the unbelievable hate I felt after it all fell apart? The end result was so upsetting it was almost worth not happening at all. Not that its WWIII or anything, but just saying for a fan that was hard to swallow after such a great year that it was all, essentially, for show and that people like Brian friggen Wilson didn't even know what was gonna happen next. The man responsible for you all being there didn't even know he'd be forced out, yet again, after everyone made their money.

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That actually worked out better for Brian and the rest, minus Love. It appeared that they were all doing great on that reunion, Love pulled the plug, and Brian/Al Jardine/& David Marks were left shaking their heads. The result is that Brian has been touring with Jardine, Blondie Chaplin, and sometimes David Marks, and it's fantastic. Mike Love, and Bruce Johnston are not missed at all. At least we got a really good DVD out of the Beach Boys reunion. The Stone could have too if they'd used Mick T. and Bill properly.



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The treated him the same as Mick Taylor, vengefully and childishly, which is why I am no longer a fan of this band, at least in its current configuration.

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71Tele
The treated him the same as Mick Taylor, vengefully and childishly, which is why I am no longer a fan of this band, at least in its current configuration.

if you look at the other side here's a band that got hurt by nearly anyone in the 60's-70's : journalists judges agents promoters politicians. So they had to develop a tough gang mentality aka "us in the band vs the rest of the world".

Anyone leaving the band leaving this core structure is seen by Mick and Keef as an act of betrayal.
Plus in the case of Bill it must be said he treated them badly saying in the press "I did one last tour with them (1990) then when I was sure I had enough money for the rest of my life I told them to bugger off".

Hence the petty retribution against Bill in 2012?

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The treated him the same as Mick Taylor, vengefully and childishly, which is why I am no longer a fan of this band, at least in its current configuration.

if you look at the other side here's a band that got hurt by nearly anyone in the 60's-70's : journalists judges agents promoters politicians. So they had to develop a tough gang mentality aka "us in the band vs the rest of the world".

Anyone leaving the band leaving this core structure is seen by Mick and Keef as an act of betrayal.
Plus in the case of Bill it must be said he treated them badly saying in the press "I did one last tour with them (1990) then when I was sure I had enough money for the rest of my life I told them to bugger off".

Hence the petty retribution against Bill in 2012?

Yes, I understand completely their need to be "tough". Unfortunately in the process they have also become cheap as well as petty. It is not a positive legacy.

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Having played in many bands and being aware of how egos can clash, it must have been really tough for Bill to have conversations that may have gone thusly:

Groupie: I love your bass in Jumpin' Jack Flash
Bill: That's not me, that's Keith
Groupie: Oh. Well, your bass in Sympathy For The Devil is great.
Bill: That's also Keith
Groupie: Oh. Well, you really played great on Tumbling Dice
Bill: That's Mick Taylor
Groupie: Oh. Well, I love, love, love the groove in Street Fighting Man
Bill: That's Keith
Groupie: Dancing With Mr. D?
Bill: Keith
Groupie: Emotional Rescue?
Bill: Ronnie
Groupie: Happy?
Bill: Keith
Groupie: Satisfaction?
Bill: Oh, that's me.
Groupie: I don't believe you. What room is Keith in again?

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Having played in many bands and being aware of how egos can clash, it must have been really tough for Bill to have conversations that may have gone thusly:

Groupie: I love your bass in Jumpin' Jack Flash
Bill: That's not me, that's Keith
Groupie: Oh. Well, your bass in Sympathy For The Devil is great.
Bill: That's also Keith
Groupie: Oh. Well, you really played great on Tumbling Dice
Bill: That's Mick Taylor
Groupie: Oh. Well, I love, love, love the groove in Street Fighting Man
Bill: That's Keith
Groupie: Dancing With Mr. D?
Bill: Keith
Groupie: Emotional Rescue?
Bill: Ronnie
Groupie: Happy?
Bill: Keith
Groupie: Satisfaction?
Bill: Oh, that's me.
Groupie: I don't believe you. What room is Keith in again?

Taylor played bass on Dancing

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Mandy never forgave him for staying.

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71Tele
The treated him the same as Mick Taylor, vengefully and childishly, which is why I am no longer a fan of this band, at least in its current configuration.

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I have listened to many, many stories from former partners who were later involved in a dispute. In 100% of the cases, I was not getting the full story. I'm sure there's much much more.

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I have listened to many, many stories from former partners who were later involved in a dispute. In 100% of the cases, I was not getting the full story. I'm sure there's much much more.

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All this bullshit about how they would not record Bill's or Mick T's songs. I've heard Wyman's songs, and Taylor's and they are shite. That's why they weren't recorded.

Another excellent point ... I 'like' some of Bill's stuff, but still most of it would be filler on a Stones album. Taylor's stuff is worse - yes he's a great guitar player but come on, the songs he's written are far below average.

I disagree. You may not like them but in my opinion Taylor has written some better songs than the Glimmers in the last 35 years.

Obviously to each their own ... but not even close

Ha! Right okay maybe just envision Jagger singing them instead. I'm sorry but much of the last 35 years hasn't been very musically interesting in regards to the Stones (studio wise anyway). Notice their shows are dominated by songs not of their modern era?

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Having played in many bands and being aware of how egos can clash, it must have been really tough for Bill to have conversations that may have gone thusly:

Groupie: I love your bass in Jumpin' Jack Flash
Bill: That's not me, that's Keith
Groupie: Oh. Well, your bass in Sympathy For The Devil is great.
Bill: That's also Keith
Groupie: Oh. Well, you really played great on Tumbling Dice
Bill: That's Mick Taylor
Groupie: Oh. Well, I love, love, love the groove in Street Fighting Man
Bill: That's Keith
Groupie: Dancing With Mr. D?
Bill: Taylor
Groupie: Emotional Rescue?
Bill: Ronnie
Groupie: Happy?
Bill: Keith
Groupie: Satisfaction?
Bill: Oh, that's me.
Groupie: I don't believe you. What room is Keith in again?

Edited, thanks to TravelinMan for the correction.

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All this bullshit about how they would not record Bill's or Mick T's songs. I've heard Wyman's songs, and Taylor's and they are shite. That's why they weren't recorded.

Bingo. These things might be believed if people like Wyman or Taylor or Brian ever wrote decent stuff of their own. Obviously Jagger and Richards were the only ones who could write decent songs.

While these guys complain about it, it was probably a pain in the ass for Mick and Keith to have bandmates who couldn't write songs always trying to push their songs to them.

I am always surprised about how Jagger especially is described by people. He is supposed to be this power hungry, controlling, jealous of everyone jerk. If you are heading a band as huge as the Stones you better be controlling or you won't last.

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Having played in many bands and being aware of how egos can clash, it must have been really tough for Bill to have conversations that may have gone thusly:

Groupie: I love your bass in Jumpin' Jack Flash
Bill: That's not me, that's Keith
Groupie: Oh. Well, your bass in Sympathy For The Devil is great.
Bill: That's also Keith
Groupie: Oh. Well, you really played great on Tumbling Dice
Bill: That's Mick Taylor
Groupie: Oh. Well, I love, love, love the groove in Street Fighting Man
Bill: That's Keith
Groupie: Dancing With Mr. D?
Bill: Taylor
Groupie: Emotional Rescue?
Bill: Ronnie
Groupie: Happy?
Bill: Keith
Groupie: Satisfaction?
Bill: Oh, that's me.
Groupie: I don't believe you. What room is Keith in again?

Edited, thanks to TravelinMan for the correction.

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Mandy never forgave him for staying.

Too soon?
We have an eye team investigating now...

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Seems in bad taste for Bill to dis Daryl's playing. He is sad and hurt, but he also left the band, said he didn't like to tour, yet he has been touring with the Rhythm Kings...