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I don't see the same bitterness from Taylor.

I know from a reliable source he is. But he is used to package it in humour and in song lyrics.

I belive it, plus you are a dedicated Taylorite who has "sources". Mick Taylor is a shy guy who is not going to complain in public. He is a man of few words. MickT and Bill Wyman got screwed (cheated) on song writing credits. And album royalties in Mick Taylor's case.

To be honest, the "I know from a reliable source" part was just joking.

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There's straight rock playing - which any good professional musician can do - and then there's personal idiosyncracies which lend themselves to creating something more interesting, and in Bill's case, better. Neither Charlie nor Bill are "normal" rock players, which is why the Stones rhythm section was (and I do mean was) so special. Darryl plays it straight. He's professional and very good, but there's none of the strange magic that Bill brought.

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There's straight rock playing - which any good professional musician can do - and then there's personal idiosyncracies which lend themselves to creating something more interesting, and in Bill's case, better. Neither Charlie nor Bill are "normal" rock players, which is why the Stones rhythm section was (and I do mean was) so special. Darryl plays it straight. He's professional and very good, but there's none of the strange magic that Bill brought.

That sounds pretty much like what I'm hearing too but I'm not so sure the Stones are anxious for Darryl to put his own brand of strange magic on the music at this point. He's probably hired to play it straight, learned to stay lower key in order to keep his job and not make too many waves. Probably part of his personality too. I don't think Bill was limited as such, he knew he was a full fledged "original" member and could do whatever he wanted. Of course the result is the same, we lost a unique and special rhythm section when Bill left.

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There's straight rock playing - which any good professional musician can do - and then there's personal idiosyncracies which lend themselves to creating something more interesting, and in Bill's case, better. Neither Charlie nor Bill are "normal" rock players, which is why the Stones rhythm section was (and I do mean was) so special. Darryl plays it straight. He's professional and very good, but there's none of the strange magic that Bill brought.

That sounds pretty much like what I'm hearing too but I'm not so sure the Stones are anxious for Darryl to put his own brand of strange magic on the music at this point. He's probably hired to play it straight, learned to stay lower key in order to keep his job and not make too many waves. Probably part of his personality too. I don't think Bill was limited as such, he knew he was a full fledged "original" member and could do whatever he wanted. Of course the result is the same, we lost a unique and special rhythm section when Bill left.

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DJ is always a fraction too 'late' where as Bill was right in the pocket. Keeping keith and mick on their toes..make no mistake

I think Bill said himself (in the Crossfire Hurricane movie) that he's actually a fraction early on the beat, which together with Charlie and Keith creates a bit of a ”wobble” which he thinks is part of the Stones magic.

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There's straight rock playing - which any good professional musician can do - and then there's personal idiosyncracies which lend themselves to creating something more interesting, and in Bill's case, better. Neither Charlie nor Bill are "normal" rock players, which is why the Stones rhythm section was (and I do mean was) so special. Darryl plays it straight. He's professional and very good, but there's none of the strange magic that Bill brought.

That sounds pretty much like what I'm hearing too but I'm not so sure the Stones are anxious for Darryl to put his own brand of strange magic on the music at this point. He's probably hired to play it straight, learned to stay lower key in order to keep his job and not make too many waves. Probably part of his personality too. I don't think Bill was limited as such, he knew he was a full fledged "original" member and could do whatever he wanted. Of course the result is the same, we lost a unique and special rhythm section when Bill left.

his job is to play it straight, no doubt about it.
you know how great actors will do a blockbuster now and then to pay the bills, and then do independent art house films for what they actually consider their art? that's what the stones are to daryl, kind of like DeNeiro starring in Meet the Fockers, or Ralph Fiennes in Harry Potter. he's hired because he'll so an incredibly professional job, not make any waves, and let Mick and Keith be in the limelight. On the side he can do the work he finds fulfilling. It's not a reflection on his skills as a bass player, which are tremendous.

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Hard to say what Charlie wanted with a new bass player. By all accounts he's happy with Darryl and was glad to bring him on board. I think Charlies respect for Darryl exceed that of his respect for Stones music so might not every get a clear answer on that

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Remember the first tour with DJ...Mick would always introduce him as having played with Miles Davis & Madonna.

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Until this recent Milwaukee show (& this tour i presume), I can't remember the Stones ever really FEATURING Darryl Jones the way he was featured during MISS YOU. He may have been...i just don't remember. And didn't BW leave because he felt that after Urban Jungle tour the band would be winding down quickly. He didn't expect another 25+ yrs.

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Remember the first tour with DJ...Mick would always introduce him as having played with Miles Davis & Madonna.

Hard to mention those two in the same breath with a straight face (for me) but I guess Mick respected Madonna on some level. I recall Sir Mick and Sir Elton discussing her in Being Mick.

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Here's the question I'm surprised isn't discussed more: should they have stopped when Bill quit?

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Here's the question I'm surprised isn't discussed more: should they have stopped when Bill quit?

Yes!

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Here's the question I'm surprised isn't discussed more: should they have stopped when Bill quit?

Yes!

I tend to agree.

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I think it's rubbish. I bet the people who witnessed the club gigs in 1995, Le Trabendo, The Echoplex and the Fonda Theatre disagree...

Then again, many fans thought they should have called it a day when Brian left..

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I think it's rubbish. I bet the people who witnessed the club gigs in 1995, Le Trabendo, The Echoplex and the Fonda Theatre disagree...

Then again, many fans thought they should have called it a day when Brian left..

I always thought he's been kicked out in opposite to BW and MT...

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Remember the first tour with DJ...Mick would always introduce him as having played with Miles Davis & Madonna.

Hard to mention those two in the same breath with a straight face (for me) but I guess Mick respected Madonna on some level. I recall Sir Mick and Sir Elton discussing her in Being Mick.

He respects her both as his groupie and as a musician obviously.

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DJ is always a fraction too 'late' where as Bill was right in the pocket. Keeping keith and mick on their toes..make no mistake

I think Bill said himself (in the Crossfire Hurricane movie) that he's actually a fraction early on the beat, which together with Charlie and Keith creates a bit of a ”wobble” which he thinks is part of the Stones magic.

Interestingly, in Satisfaction, he is actually a bit later than the main riff. Very cool to listen to.

indeed, it's one of my favorite parts.

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Remember the first tour with DJ...Mick would always introduce him as having played with Miles Davis & Madonna.

Hard to mention those two in the same breath with a straight face (for me) but I guess Mick respected Madonna on some level. I recall Sir Mick and Sir Elton discussing her in Being Mick.

He respects her both as his groupie and as a musician obviously.

Hmm probably as a performer...not necessarily on stage.

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DJ is always a fraction too 'late' where as Bill was right in the pocket. Keeping keith and mick on their toes..make no mistake

I think Bill said himself (in the Crossfire Hurricane movie) that he's actually a fraction early on the beat, which together with Charlie and Keith creates a bit of a ”wobble” which he thinks is part of the Stones magic.

Interestingly, in Satisfaction, he is actually a bit later than the main riff. Very cool to listen to.

indeed, it's one of my favorite parts.

In fact he's playing a completely different line wich is just as groovy as keith's. He start's with the low E and indeed delays a bit to keith's first two notes. I wouldn't call it a delay but just a different rythm.

The two lines combined is arguably the best piece of music ever. Bill's got 50 % dipps on that..just saying.

I can think of so much more riffs where Bill plays his OWN riff and mixed with keith's it becomes MAGIC

In fact...Bill's a Riffmaster too

DJ sounds 'dumbed down'because he is following keith in a way..Bill never did that..he Added and weaved and messed with the rythm. And in music..as Keith often states..that becomes 'to the power of'

You don't need brilliant shit from one player. Just cool shit from two and when it works it can't be beaten.

That's why he was a star...in the stones!

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DJ is always a fraction too 'late' where as Bill was right in the pocket. Keeping keith and mick on their toes..make no mistake

I think Bill said himself (in the Crossfire Hurricane movie) that he's actually a fraction early on the beat, which together with Charlie and Keith creates a bit of a ”wobble” which he thinks is part of the Stones magic.

Interestingly, in Satisfaction, he is actually a bit later than the main riff. Very cool to listen to.

indeed, it's one of my favorite parts.

In fact he's playing a completely different line wich is just as groovy as keith's. He start's with the low E and indeed delays a bit to keith's first two notes. I wouldn't call it a delay but just a different rythm.

The two lines combined is arguably the best piece of music ever. Bill's got 50 % dipps on that..just saying.

I can think of so much more riffs where Bill plays his OWN riff and mixed with keith's it becomes MAGIC

In fact...Bill's a Riffmaster too

DJ sounds 'dumbed down'because he is following keith in a way..Bill never did that..he Added and weaved and messed with the rythm. And in music..as Keith often states..that becomes 'to the power of'

You don't need brilliant shit from one player. Just cool shit from two and when it works it can't be beaten.

That's why he was a star...in the stones!

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You better work on your quoting, kleerie. I don't look good in that conversation you present there

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You better work on your quoting, kleerie. I don't look good in that conversation you present there

I don't know how I did it, but it's indeed pretty beat up.

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DJ is always a fraction too 'late' where as Bill was right in the pocket. Keeping keith and mick on their toes..make no mistake

I think Bill said himself (in the Crossfire Hurricane movie) that he's actually a fraction early on the beat, which together with Charlie and Keith creates a bit of a ”wobble” which he thinks is part of the Stones magic.

Interestingly, in Satisfaction, he is actually a bit later than the main riff. Very cool to listen to.

indeed, it's one of my favorite parts.

In fact he's playing a completely different line wich is just as groovy as keith's. He start's with the low E and indeed delays a bit to keith's first two notes. I wouldn't call it a delay but just a different rythm.

The two lines combined is arguably the best piece of music ever. Bill's got 50 % dipps on that..just saying.

I can think of so much more riffs where Bill plays his OWN riff and mixed with keith's it becomes MAGIC

In fact...Bill's a Riffmaster too

DJ sounds 'dumbed down'because he is following keith in a way..Bill never did that..he Added and weaved and messed with the rythm. And in music..as Keith often states..that becomes 'to the power of'

You don't need brilliant shit from one player. Just cool shit from two and when it works it can't be beaten.

That's why he was a star...in the stones!

No, he played a millisecond later - all the time. That's the wobble!

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DJ is always a fraction too 'late' where as Bill was right in the pocket. Keeping keith and mick on their toes..make no mistake

I think Bill said himself (in the Crossfire Hurricane movie) that he's actually a fraction early on the beat, which together with Charlie and Keith creates a bit of a ”wobble” which he thinks is part of the Stones magic.

Interestingly, in Satisfaction, he is actually a bit later than the main riff. Very cool to listen to.

indeed, it's one of my favorite parts.

In fact he's playing a completely different line wich is just as groovy as keith's. He start's with the low E and indeed delays a bit to keith's first two notes. I wouldn't call it a delay but just a different rythm.

The two lines combined is arguably the best piece of music ever. Bill's got 50 % dipps on that..just saying.

I can think of so much more riffs where Bill plays his OWN riff and mixed with keith's it becomes MAGIC

In fact...Bill's a Riffmaster too

DJ sounds 'dumbed down'because he is following keith in a way..Bill never did that..he Added and weaved and messed with the rythm. And in music..as Keith often states..that becomes 'to the power of'

You don't need brilliant shit from one player. Just cool shit from two and when it works it can't be beaten.

That's why he was a star...in the stones!

No, he played a millisecond later - all the time. That's the wobble!

yeah yeah...fraction later or earlier..like I said he messed with the rythm. But that's not even my point...although it is what creates the 'wobble'.

But also, he ADDED his own riffs, mixing them with keefs, to create a whole nother beast. like...two different riffs/patterns..often with different timing, even melody...that become one unique powerful thing. The second guitar player was always replaceble for the stones. BW really was not..

Bill and keith..in a way.. had the same tension mick and keith have.

Like...Fck you mr rock and roll...mr cool! I'm not too impressed so suck on this for a while. In music you need tension...well rock and roll anyway. just my honest opinion