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MisterDDDD
No coincidence this is coming out ahead of his new album.
Amazing what people will say to sell books and albums.
Love Bill, but he quit the band.
You don't get to script it when they graciously invite you to join them again.
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Bill crys alot. A few years ago he said he had to sell one of his homes for money. ONE of his homes.
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strat72
All this bullshit about how they would not record Bill's or Mick T's songs. I've heard Wyman's songs, and Taylor's and they are shite. That's why they weren't recorded.
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All this bullshit about how they would not record Bill's or Mick T's songs. I've heard Wyman's songs, and Taylor's and they are shite. That's why they weren't recorded.
Another excellent point ... I 'like' some of Bill's stuff, but still most of it would be filler on a Stones album. Taylor's stuff is worse - yes he's a great guitar player but come on, the songs he's written are far below average.
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I think what cheeses Bill is he wasn't allowed to recreate the Stones sound that a lot of fans obviously miss. Maybe Mick J. didn't want the fans to think they were missing something. There's no reason in the world they couldn't have put together the classic lineup with Taylor and Wyman for Bitch. Then again, Mick might have felt pressure to do more with them. Not letting Bill play Miss You, maybe his finest moment, and then praising an inferior bass player in front of him, is a little low.
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bonddm
Don't see why it was so hard to accommodate Wyman and Taylor,considering The Eagles invited Bernie Leadon back after 40 years and had him play the whole 1st set,plus encores!
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TeddyB1018
This was not the way I heard it at the time. I heard none of the four Stones, including Charlie, were very pleased with Bill's behavior when they got together, and I was told this happened when they convened in the States for the Brett Morgen film shoot. This was from a very strong source, though I wasn't there myself so can't vouch any further than that. Maybe they conflated things, but this was right when it was happening.
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relms
Thank you for staying Charlie Watts, you were in a similar position as Wyman and you stayed and I appreaciate you staying very much.
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strat72
All this bullshit about how they would not record Bill's or Mick T's songs. I've heard Wyman's songs, and Taylor's and they are shite. That's why they weren't recorded.
Another excellent point ... I 'like' some of Bill's stuff, but still most of it would be filler on a Stones album. Taylor's stuff is worse - yes he's a great guitar player but come on, the songs he's written are far below average.
I disagree. You may not like them but in my opinion Taylor has written some better songs than the Glimmers in the last 35 years.
Obviously to each their own ... but not even close
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strat72
All this bullshit about how they would not record Bill's or Mick T's songs. I've heard Wyman's songs, and Taylor's and they are shite. That's why they weren't recorded.
Another excellent point ... I 'like' some of Bill's stuff, but still most of it would be filler on a Stones album. Taylor's stuff is worse - yes he's a great guitar player but come on, the songs he's written are far below average.
I disagree. You may not like them but in my opinion Taylor has written some better songs than the Glimmers in the last 35 years.
Obviously to each their own ... but not even close
And just to add ... if Taylor's songs were so good, why would he feel the need to fill up his live setlists w/ Stones songs?
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Inferior is laughable
Bill is great and perfect for 60/70s Stones but if you can't tell Darryl is dumbing it down to play the part you haven't been watching...or listening
I guess I expected Mr. Jones to be better than he has been. What's kept him from playing his bass so good that he enhances these 'dumb' songs we all know and love? But he doesn't enhance, because he isn't there. I guess the Rolling Stones music is so far beneath him that he can't be bothered to display any emotion or create exquisite rhythms. Bill was washed up by the 80s? Start Me Up, Harlem Shuffle, Slipping Away? What about him effortlessly sliding into jazz mode for Terrifying?
I saw Daryl 'dumb down' Anybody Seen My Baby live in '97 to the point they practically had to stop the song because he'd screwed it up so bad. Why couldn't Daryl have been another brilliant musician passing one style to another in the Stones, but still fitting? Like going from the opposing geniuses of Nicky Hopkins and Billy Preston? I have a hard time believing that Daryl is just so scary good that we couldn't handle it if he really let loose.
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strat72
All this bullshit about how they would not record Bill's or Mick T's songs. I've heard Wyman's songs, and Taylor's and they are shite. That's why they weren't recorded.
Another excellent point ... I 'like' some of Bill's stuff, but still most of it would be filler on a Stones album. Taylor's stuff is worse - yes he's a great guitar player but come on, the songs he's written are far below average.
I disagree. You may not like them but in my opinion Taylor has written some better songs than the Glimmers in the last 35 years.
Obviously to each their own ... but not even close
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Inferior is laughable
Bill is great and perfect for 60/70s Stones but if you can't tell Darryl is dumbing it down to play the part you haven't been watching...or listening
I guess I expected Mr. Jones to be better than he has been. What's kept him from playing his bass so good that he enhances these 'dumb' songs we all know and love? But he doesn't enhance, because he isn't there. I guess the Rolling Stones music is so far beneath him that he can't be bothered to display any emotion or create exquisite rhythms. Bill was washed up by the 80s? Start Me Up, Harlem Shuffle, Slipping Away? What about him effortlessly sliding into jazz mode for Terrifying?
I saw Daryl 'dumb down' Anybody Seen My Baby live in '97 to the point they practically had to stop the song because he'd screwed it up so bad. Why couldn't Daryl have been another brilliant musician passing one style to another in the Stones, but still fitting? Like going from the opposing geniuses of Nicky Hopkins and Billy Preston? I have a hard time believing that Daryl is just so scary good that we couldn't handle it if he really let loose.
Darryl is an employee not a creative consultant to Mick. He is playing exactly how they've asked him to and he's pro enough to pull it off. Plus I imagine the paycheck is not too bad! He has no more stylistic influence in this version of the Stones than I do...
If he really let loose you could handle it. You'd love it. It wouldn't fit this band but you could definitely handle it...
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Munichhilton
Inferior is laughable
Bill is great and perfect for 60/70s Stones but if you can't tell Darryl is dumbing it down to play the part you haven't been watching...or listening
I guess I expected Mr. Jones to be better than he has been. What's kept him from playing his bass so good that he enhances these 'dumb' songs we all know and love? But he doesn't enhance, because he isn't there. I guess the Rolling Stones music is so far beneath him that he can't be bothered to display any emotion or create exquisite rhythms. Bill was washed up by the 80s? Start Me Up, Harlem Shuffle, Slipping Away? What about him effortlessly sliding into jazz mode for Terrifying?
I saw Daryl 'dumb down' Anybody Seen My Baby live in '97 to the point they practically had to stop the song because he'd screwed it up so bad. Why couldn't Daryl have been another brilliant musician passing one style to another in the Stones, but still fitting? Like going from the opposing geniuses of Nicky Hopkins and Billy Preston? I have a hard time believing that Daryl is just so scary good that we couldn't handle it if he really let loose.
Darryl is an employee not a creative consultant to Mick. He is playing exactly how they've asked him to and he's pro enough to pull it off. Plus I imagine the paycheck is not too bad! He has no more stylistic influence in this version of the Stones than I do...
If he really let loose you could handle it. You'd love it. It wouldn't fit this band but you could definitely handle it...
The bottom line is that they have him, and have had him for over 20 years. They didn't have to, but they want to, and this was Charlie's idea.
They could have their pick of bass players, even Bill Wyman now apparently, but they want Darryl. I'm enjoying the shows so the differences that Bill may have brought aren't getting me down.
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Bill is great and perfect for 60/70s Stones but if you can't tell Darryl is dumbing it down to play the part you haven't been watching...or listening
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Freejack
Bill, Charlie, Brian, Ronnie and Mick T should have been given writing credits on all the songs they helped jam into existence. I think while the lyrics are mostly all by Mick, the music was not only created by Keith alone, but maybe Keith wanted an equal portion of publishing to Mick, so screw the other guys.
Which really sucks. Keith wasn't even there when some of the songs were born including IORR!
To me Darryl is just less interesting as a bass player, yes dumbed down. Bill dances like a Sufi Dervish- with his fingers... so inventive, inimitable!
The Stones went with safe, solid journeymen with Chuck and Darryl, guys who don't bring any drama, just shut up and play flawlessly, but maybe who give less dramatic performances as players. It's a trade off to stay alive, and The Stones sound great live, I am really glad they found guys and gals (Lisa!!!) to keep the steels wheels turning with!
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Bill, Charlie, Brian, Ronnie and Mick T should have been given writing credits on all the songs they helped jam into existence. I think while the lyrics are mostly all by Mick, the music was not only created by Keith alone, but maybe Keith wanted an equal portion of publishing to Mick, so screw the other guys.
Which really sucks. Keith wasn't even there when some of the songs were born including IORR!
To me Darryl is just less interesting as a bass player, yes dumbed down. Bill dances like a Sufi Dervish- with his fingers... so inventive, inimitable!
The Stones went with safe, solid journeymen with Chuck and Darryl, guys who don't bring any drama, just shut up and play flawlessly, but maybe who give less dramatic performances as players. It's a trade off to stay alive, and The Stones sound great live, I am really glad they found guys and gals (Lisa!!!) to keep the steels wheels turning with!
Keith is the main songwriter in the band. Or was, until they stopped writing songs.
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Keith is the main songwriter in the band.