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DREAMTIME
you can stop scalping if the industry really wanted. the good ole wait on line, one ticket per person and that person is the only one that can use that ticket. otherwise pay at the gate as you enter. and government regulation making ticket sales transparent. they can use the pick your seat system or even the old airline way of stickers on a map.
But Greed is winning as long as the sheep go along with their plan...
yeah, miss those good old days lining up for tickets for hours in the cold and rain, through the night.
so much better than buying on your computer and printing your receipt.
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Kevinstones78
Stub Hud already has tickets listed for every show at outrages prices.
Do I stand a chance at a decent seat or is it a waste of time. When ticket masters sells out then and only then should the crooks get the tickets.
Oh did I mention Stones tickets aren't even on sale yet. Have a look for yourself
What if anything can we do to stop this thievery. We the true fans belong down in the front. And no one should hold our tickets Hostage. For Shame Anyone?
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JN99
Something has to be done, the landscape for tickets has changed dramatically in the past 15 years. Some of it may be access pure and simple (more people online to try for tickets) but my bet is more of it is corruption and greed pain and simple. For the No Security tour I was able to pull tickets the minute hey went on sale and without fail pull them in the the first 20 rows on the floor. Nowadays I can be in and pull tickets with seconds of the on sale time and can't get a pair on the whole floor.
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JN99
Something has to be done, the landscape for tickets has changed dramatically in the past 15 years. Some of it may be access pure and simple (more people online to try for tickets) but my bet is more of it is corruption and greed pain and simple. For the No Security tour I was able to pull tickets the minute hey went on sale and without fail pull them in the the first 20 rows on the floor. Nowadays I can be in and pull tickets with seconds of the on sale time and can't get a pair on the whole floor.
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Kevinstones78
Stub Hud already has tickets listed for every show at outrages prices.
Do I stand a chance at a decent seat or is it a waste of time. When ticket masters sells out then and only then should the crooks get the tickets.
Oh did I mention Stones tickets aren't even on sale yet. Have a look for yourself
What if anything can we do to stop this thievery. We the true fans belong down in the front. And no one should hold our tickets Hostage. For Shame Anyone?
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jumpontopofmebaby
They can still play the war horses and still mix it up with 23 or 24 songs.
Open up with a rocker...Let It Rock or Street Fightin Man.
Ruby Tuesday is good at Stadiums.
Drop Miss You for ever.
Start Me Up
Honky Tonk Women
Tumblin Dice
Brown Sugar
Satisfaction
Jumpin Jack Flash
You Cant Always Get What You Want
Paint It Black
Gimmie Shelter
Its Only Rock and Roll
Thats only 10 songs plus Keiths 2. If they did 24 Songs that leaves 12 to play around with
The problem is not the war horses / hits. The problem is lack of Songs
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Stoneage
Recieved a mail from Rolling Stones and Polydor Records yesterday. It says "New Music & Tour News from The Rolling Stones". Now that's not really true, is it? At least not the first part..
It's "new" music to many, surely? Not EVERYONE is into bootlegs. My brother in law, a keen Stones fan, has none. He's pretty excited having now heard/seen the acoustic Wild Horses video to be getting some "new" Stones music.
WTF? Bootleg recordings? A bootleg recording is a live concert recording that is sold without the bands permission, a roio recording is a live recording NOT sold without bands permission and what they are selling are live soundboard recordings which have been remastered and are being sold by the band.
get your terminology straight
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virgil
Likecats I was just throwing a little levity on the subject, I agree with you, not so much with the scalper on the street thats what he does. I had Boston red sox and NE Patriots season tickets over the years. What I hate is the cozy relation ship all the pro teams and venues have with the secondary ticket sellers like Ace tickets ,Stub hub etc. Alot of stadiums now have them located on the property or and thier sponsors.
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GangsterBolshevik
What kind of weirdo wants the government to get involved in regulating ticket sales?
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kammpberg
The tragedy of the Rolling Stones is that Mick Jagger is right. If they played Sticky Fingers in their entirety a large percentage of the audience would be bored, not know the songs and go for beer and leave disappointed. Of course real Stones fans like myself would LOVE to see it performed and not be bored for a second. But unlike Springsteen who plays full albums, deep cuts etc and his fans know every word, sing along and not bored for a second, or U2 who always focus on their current releases and audience loves it, the Stones over the last 10 years have created this situation by becoming what they are, a gloried Beach Boys playing the classics over and over again, living on a legacy and not being an active band. They damaged their legacy and left a bitter pill in their real fans like myself.
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kammpberg
The tragedy of the Rolling Stones is that Mick Jagger is right. If they played Sticky Fingers in their entirety a large percentage of the audience would be bored, not know the songs and go for beer and leave disappointed. Of course real Stones fans like myself would LOVE to see it performed and not be bored for a second. But unlike Springsteen who plays full albums, deep cuts etc and his fans know every word, sing along and not bored for a second, or U2 who always focus on their current releases and audience loves it, the Stones over the last 10 years have created this situation by becoming what they are, a gloried Beach Boys playing the classics over and over again, living on a legacy and not being an active band. They damaged their legacy and left a bitter pill in their real fans like myself.
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kammpberg
The tragedy of the Rolling Stones is that Mick Jagger is right. If they played Sticky Fingers in their entirety a large percentage of the audience would be bored, not know the songs and go for beer and leave disappointed. Of course real Stones fans like myself would LOVE to see it performed and not be bored for a second. But unlike Springsteen who plays full albums, deep cuts etc and his fans know every word, sing along and not bored for a second, or U2 who always focus on their current releases and audience loves it, the Stones over the last 10 years have created this situation by becoming what they are, a gloried Beach Boys playing the classics over and over again, living on a legacy and not being an active band. They damaged their legacy and left a bitter pill in their real fans like myself.
I think the insight from Mick Jagger and Elton John talking about the Madonna concert in "Being Mick", is that Mick, from audience level, has seen the energy in the crowd dissipate when new or unfamiliar music is played. The fans and the music lovers may enjoy it, but unfortunately most of the crowd are casual fans who only know the big hits form the radio. They are drunk and want to have a party. Any wedding DJ knows that the familiar songs are going to be the crowd pleasers, and the unfamiliar stuff will send the people on the dance floor back to the buffet table.
When Prince was the musical guest on "Saturday Night Live" a few months back, he played some great new stuff, but the next day average Prince fans were complaining that he didn't play anything familiar.
People already have positive memories associated with the warhorses. They deliver the goods to the casual fan and make the crowd happy. I can't imagine how the band plays them and keeps them fresh for themselves decade after decade. The only explanation is that they feed off the energy of the crowd, and the the crowd is feeding off the energy of the warhorse because it's already a familiar, beloved part of their lives.
Believe me, my ideal setlist would be rarities and new stuff. If they did a whole set playing nothing but brand new material I had never heard before, I would be as happy as I can be. You are right that they are not an active band producing new albums of material, and they have trained their audiences to expect a hit-heavy setlist. Mick does bear much of the responsibility of that.
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GangsterBolshevik
What kind of weirdo wants the government to get involved in regulating ticket sales?
Huh, huh....Mick jagger......."I think the secondary market should be banned"
Plus everybody else that's sick and tired of being drained by a bunch of dirty little vampires in seersucker suits...(sic)............
(there may be vamps in government but at least they are ultimately - when caught - answerable to the public..........
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DREAMTIME
you can stop scalping if the industry really wanted. the good ole wait on line, one ticket per person and that person is the only one that can use that ticket. otherwise pay at the gate as you enter. and government regulation making ticket sales transparent. they can use the pick your seat system or even the old airline way of stickers on a map.
But Greed is winning as long as the sheep go along with their plan...
yeah, miss those good old days lining up for tickets for hours in the cold and rain, through the night.
so much better than buying on your computer and printing your receipt.
It is when you get first 10 rows based on first come first served. We also had good times lining up with good people back then. I once waited in line for 19 hours for Led Zep. It also means better people in the front and not just VIP's who can buy their way in...
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He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
The Stones are not the only ones who have this concern. All legacy bands have the same challenge in that 95%+ of their audience are casual fans who want to hear the hits.
I doubt fans would walk out but I can assure you a lot of the audience would walk out disappointed at the end of the show if they did not get to hear the old war horse hits.
Almost all songs on Brussels Affair bootleg are warhorses now, but that bootleg will never ever tire! Same goes for YaYa's, Leeds and L&G, to name a few.
It's not the 'warhorses', it's the way the music is played. In the Taylor era we got so many versions of for instance Brown Sugar. Compare the 1970, 1971, 1972 and 1973 Sugars with each other and you'll understand what I mean. The same goes for Midnight Rambler. Street Fighting Man, JJF and others. Remember the way MR was played in Shanghai, that was something totally new and great, MR being a warhorse though.
To compare with classical music: one can attend the same masterpieces by the great masters endlessly. But one thing is essential: they have to be played greatly. And that's what should bother the Stones: to play greatly.
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Maindefender
I love the fact they tell you the time for the general ticket sales but not the April 8th presale.