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sanQ
I don't know why Mick Taylor would want to play with Jagger/Richards anyway besides money. He should just sue to get some royalties. Jagger uses a backing track for vocals now (compared the late 90's to 2006 and there's a sudden massive improvement) and Keith probably does too for his guitar, at least that's what I've read. Then Gene Simmons said they were using backing tracks as well.
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sanQ
I don't know why Mick Taylor would want to play with Jagger/Richards anyway besides money. He should just sue to get some royalties. Jagger uses a backing track for vocals now (compared the late 90's to 2006 and there's a sudden massive improvement) and Keith probably does too for his guitar, at least that's what I've read. Then Gene Simmons said they were using backing tracks as well.
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nightskyman
sanQ writes: "Jagger uses a backing track for vocals now...and Keith probably does too for his guitar, at least that's what I've read."
You mean Keith doesn't play live, it's a backing track of his guitar? Would not that defeat the purpose of doing live concerts?
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lem motlow
their soundman debunked all that bullshit in an article someone posted weeks ago.some a-hole was throwing out a million geek terms trying to sell it and the soundguy made it really clear-if you could read english even a little bit he explained the whole thing.
if i remember the little troll shrunk and disappeared soon after.
the haters cant have it both ways-complain about the stones having trainwrecks onstage and accuse them of using backing tracks at the same time.
this has been going on for years.i remember them getting accused of lip-syncing on the flatbed in 75 and keith said"they didnt see the big generator next to us??"
the funniest one was the guy from rs magazine asking jagger if he lip-synced the harmonica part on sweet virginia and jagger thought "lip-sync"meant literally sinking your lip into the harmonica and said "yeah,but that makes your mouth bleed" this was 72-73.
but really if you think mick and keith are playing with a track you shouldnt be allowed on a stones fansight.
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nightskyman
sanQ writes: "Jagger uses a backing track for vocals now...and Keith probably does too for his guitar, at least that's what I've read."
You mean Keith doesn't play live, it's a backing track of his guitar? Would not that defeat the purpose of doing live concerts?
lol But isn't that the industry standard these days?
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sanQ
I don't know why Mick Taylor would want to play with Jagger/Richards anyway besides money. H
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Stoneburst
I think in general that is true, but even in 2015 the Stones as musicians are several cuts above the guys in Lynyrd Skynyrd (to whom I mean no offence). They would have been in a much better position to make the arrangements work. It didn't take that much practice on 50 and Counting before the three guitars were routinely cooking up storms on Rambler - not an easy song to do well, by anyone's standards. The Stones' musical ethos is different too. Skynyrd are tight and essentially play songs note for note, and so for them the arrangements need to be worked out very precisely. The Stones are much looser, with the guitarists winging and weaving throughout the songs. Part of the Stones' appeal is their wild unpredictability. They swing from out of tune sloppiness to telepathic, sublime genius. The fans understand this and basically don't mind things going wrong sometimes. With Skynyrd that's not the case, and never was.
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Redhotcarpet
I should have seen them with Taylor at Roskilde. F--k. listen to Taylor and listen to the interplay with Keith and Ronnie at 6.15 - . OMFG. They could pull it off again. Keith and Taylor. And Ronnie. Why the hell didnt they include him and rehearse a bunch of songs.
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DandelionPowderman
MR is always a highlight when the Stones play it.
The lack of rehearsing/arranging becomes more evident on other songs with three guitars.
Taylor has a trailblazing style, and needs room for expressing himself. To be able to exploit that, they need to pick the right songs for him to play. That means losing the horns and keyboard arrangements if they choose songs like TD, BS, JJF and other classics for it to work, imo.
Keith and Ronnie are not weaving like in 78 or 81 anymore. Even they have been told to stick to pretty strict arrangements (by Stones standards).
Well, my point is that it would take way more than a couple of weeks to make this work.
One way of doing it could be to use Taylor in the "BB King role", where he only plays the solos, but that's kind of daft as well, imo.
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DandelionPowderman
MR is always a highlight when the Stones play it.
The lack of rehearsing/arranging becomes more evident on other songs with three guitars.
Taylor has a trailblazing style, and needs room for expressing himself. To be able to exploit that, they need to pick the right songs for him to play. That means losing the horns and keyboard arrangements if they choose songs like TD, BS, JJF and other classics for it to work, imo.
Keith and Ronnie are not weaving like in 78 or 81 anymore. Even they have been told to stick to pretty strict arrangements (by Stones standards).
Well, my point is that it would take way more than a couple of weeks to make this work.
One way of doing it could be to use Taylor in the "BB King role", where he only plays the solos, but that's kind of daft as well, imo.
Told by Mick? Chuck? There may be a mutual agreement on how to play the arrangements but I doubt anyone is telling them how to weave or play. They have just fallen into predictable patterns after playing these songs so much.
Taylors role could be so much more than lead although a call and response approach to leads with Ronnie could push them both to new heights. It may be just that Ronnie often seems low in the mix on rhythm work but I hear lots of room for additional rhythm and fill work too. Even if they are playing the same chords with different inversions it would fatten up the mix nicely.
The bottom line is that in 2015, three guitars would work very well for Stones music, without a tremendous amount of work, imo.
peace
Wow.. Taylor explodes and changes the mood from spectical to musical. Yes it gets quiet, people are listening! MT's right hand leading the octive jump, stuff of guitar gods. The man has so much left in his tank, damn disgrace.Quote
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Redhotcarpet
I should have seen them with Taylor at Roskilde. F--k. listen to Taylor and listen to the interplay with Keith and Ronnie at 6.15 - . OMFG. They could pull it off again. Keith and Taylor. And Ronnie. Why the hell didnt they include him and rehearse a bunch of songs.
I was there. Great version indeed
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DoomandGloomWow.. Taylor explodes and changes the mood from spectical to musical. Yes it gets quiet, people are listening! MT's right hand leading the octive jump, stuff of guitar gods. The man has so much left in his tank, damn disgrace.Quote
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Redhotcarpet
I should have seen them with Taylor at Roskilde. F--k. listen to Taylor and listen to the interplay with Keith and Ronnie at 6.15 - . OMFG. They could pull it off again. Keith and Taylor. And Ronnie. Why the hell didnt they include him and rehearse a bunch of songs.
I was there. Great version indeed
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DoomandGloomWow.. Taylor explodes and changes the mood from spectical to musical. Yes it gets quiet, people are listening! MT's right hand leading the octive jump, stuff of guitar gods. The man has so much left in his tank, damn disgrace.Quote
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Redhotcarpet
I should have seen them with Taylor at Roskilde. F--k. listen to Taylor and listen to the interplay with Keith and Ronnie at 6.15 - . OMFG. They could pull it off again. Keith and Taylor. And Ronnie. Why the hell didnt they include him and rehearse a bunch of songs.
I was there. Great version indeed
The Chuck plink, plink musical director thing is annoying. He puts a boring restriction on Stones music and then we have to listen to his annoying plink, plink "so called piano", a lame piano style, way below standards of Stu, Billy, Nicky and Mac.Quote
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DandelionPowderman
MR is always a highlight when the Stones play it.
The lack of rehearsing/arranging becomes more evident on other songs with three guitars.
Taylor has a trailblazing style, and needs room for expressing himself. To be able to exploit that, they need to pick the right songs for him to play. That means losing the horns and keyboard arrangements if they choose songs like TD, BS, JJF and other classics for it to work, imo.
Keith and Ronnie are not weaving like in 78 or 81 anymore. Even they have been told to stick to pretty strict arrangements (by Stones standards).
Well, my point is that it would take way more than a couple of weeks to make this work.
One way of doing it could be to use Taylor in the "BB King role", where he only plays the solos, but that's kind of daft as well, imo.
Told by Mick? Chuck? There may be a mutual agreement on how to play the arrangements but I doubt anyone is telling them how to weave or play. They have just fallen into predictable patterns after playing these songs so much.
Taylors role could be so much more than lead although a call and response approach to leads with Ronnie could push them both to new heights. It may be just that Ronnie often seems low in the mix on rhythm work but I hear lots of room for additional rhythm and fill work too. Even if they are playing the same chords with different inversions it would fatten up the mix nicely.
The bottom line is that in 2015, three guitars would work very well for Stones music, without a tremendous amount of work, imo.
peace
Yes, I believe they've had to tow the line to even stricter arrangements since 2012. Listening to JJF, SFM and GS, I'm totally convinced this is true.
In theory your suggestions sound fine. In real life, they would have to spend a lot more time in the rehearsal studio than on the previous tours, imo.
I also suspect you're focusing on opportunities and possibilities, rather than listening to what the touring band already is adding to the mix, when you say there is room for more call and response that will fatten up the mix
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Nikkei
What Ronnie did at Roskilde can also be heard (more clearly) on the Glastonbury version. It was like a chuckling sound enhancing the rhytmic development towards the slower part.