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DandelionPowderman
IMO, it's as simple as this: The release was official, but the inclusion of CSB was dubious. That doesn't alter the fact that a lot of customers got CS Blues on an official release.
So, it was released to the public (think about what that word means) for a limited time. Whether it was legal or not is another matter.
Stone Age and Metamorphosis were also release and NOT approved by the band.
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DandelionPowderman
IMO, it's as simple as this: The release was official, but the inclusion of CSB was dubious. That doesn't alter the fact that a lot of customers got CS Blues on an official release.
So, it was released to the public (think about what that word means) for a limited time. Whether it was legal or not is another matter.
Stone Age and Metamorphosis were also release and NOT approved by the band.
Now you touch the sensible topic of "legally approving" and "morally approving". Stone Age and Metamorphosis may not have been morally approved by the band, but the record companies involved (ABKCO and DECCA) were legally entitled to release these albums. Metamorphosis was subject of a legal settlement between ABKCO and the band, allowing them to release one more album with previously unreleased material (some sources claim that the original settlement deal included in fact two more albums with unreleased material, one being Metamorphosis and the other one R'n'R Circus, which turned up 2 decades later).
Moral approvement is a somewhat different beast. The band can publicly claim that they don't like the contents of whatever stuff the record company puts out, but in case the record company has the legal right to do it, well, what can a poor band do...
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DandelionPowderman
IMO, it's as simple as this: The release was official, but the inclusion of CSB was dubious. That doesn't alter the fact that a lot of customers got CS Blues on an official release.
So, it was released to the public (think about what that word means) for a limited time. Whether it was legal or not is another matter.
Stone Age and Metamorphosis were also release and NOT approved by the band.
Now you touch the sensible topic of "legally approving" and "morally approving". Stone Age and Metamorphosis may not have been morally approved by the band, but the record companies involved (ABKCO and DECCA) were legally entitled to release these albums. Metamorphosis was subject of a legal settlement between ABKCO and the band, allowing them to release one more album with previously unreleased material (some sources claim that the original settlement deal included in fact two more albums with unreleased material, one being Metamorphosis and the other one R'n'R Circus, which turned up 2 decades later).
Moral approvement is a somewhat different beast. The band can publicly claim that they don't like the contents of whatever stuff the record company puts out, but in case the record company has the legal right to do it, well, what can a poor band do...
True.
Didn't they place an ad in a newspaper to warn the public, and to show their dissatisfaction for the Stone Age release?
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jlowe
Just out of interest, does DECCA have any involvement/income from the Stones now?
Or is the pre 70's material solely owned by ABKCO?
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jlowe
Just out of interest, does DECCA have any involvement/income from the Stones now?
Or is the pre 70's material solely owned by ABKCO?
ABKCO Music owns the 1960s songs, all the songs on STICKY FINGERS and a few songs on EXILE.
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jlowe
Just out of interest, does DECCA have any involvement/income from the Stones now?
Or is the pre 70's material solely owned by ABKCO?
ABKCO Music owns the 1960s songs, all the songs on STICKY FINGERS and a few songs on EXILE.
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DandelionPowderman
IMO, it's as simple as this: The release was official, but the inclusion of CSB was dubious. That doesn't alter the fact that a lot of customers got CS Blues on an official release.
So, it was released to the public (think about what that word means) for a limited time. Whether it was legal or not is another matter.
Stone Age and Metamorphosis were also release and NOT approved by the band.
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DandelionPowderman
IMO, it's as simple as this: The release was official, but the inclusion of CSB was dubious. That doesn't alter the fact that a lot of customers got CS Blues on an official release.
So, it was released to the public (think about what that word means) for a limited time. Whether it was legal or not is another matter.
Stone Age and Metamorphosis were also release and NOT approved by the band.
In the mid-90's the Swinging Pig label was available in Dutch, Belgium and Luxembourg record shops thanks to a legal loophole.
It didn't make the SP releases official though.
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DandelionPowderman
IMO, it's as simple as this: The release was official, but the inclusion of CSB was dubious. That doesn't alter the fact that a lot of customers got CS Blues on an official release.
So, it was released to the public (think about what that word means) for a limited time. Whether it was legal or not is another matter.
Stone Age and Metamorphosis were also release and NOT approved by the band.
In the mid-90's the Swinging Pig label was available in Dutch, Belgium and Luxembourg record shops thanks to a legal loophole.
It didn't make the SP releases official though.
Mathijs
So you compare German DECCA with Swingin' pig? That's truly magnificent ><
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DandelionPowderman
IMO, it's as simple as this: The release was official, but the inclusion of CSB was dubious. That doesn't alter the fact that a lot of customers got CS Blues on an official release.
So, it was released to the public (think about what that word means) for a limited time. Whether it was legal or not is another matter.
Stone Age and Metamorphosis were also release and NOT approved by the band.
In the mid-90's the Swinging Pig label was available in Dutch, Belgium and Luxembourg record shops thanks to a legal loophole.
It didn't make the SP releases official though.
Mathijs
So you compare German DECCA with Swingin' pig? That's truly magnificent ><
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Hound Dog
What about the alternate version of All Down the Line released a few years back, was like the Japanese b-side for Plundered My Soul or something.
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jlowe
Just out of interest, does DECCA have any involvement/income from the Stones now?
Or is the pre 70's material solely owned by ABKCO?
ABKCO Music owns the 1960s songs, all the songs on STICKY FINGERS and a few songs on EXILE.
Only WH and BS (possibly SM) + SAL and LC (possibly SBA)?
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As far as I know it's the 60s material plus BS and WH. Nothing more.
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- Almost hear You Sigh - promo remix
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As far as I know it's the 60s material plus BS and WH. Nothing more.
That must be wrong, because at least
All Down The Line
Sweet Virginia
Shine A Light
and
Loving Cup
are on the abkco sampler release: Songs of The Rolling Stones
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JumpingKentFlash
As far as I know it's the 60s material plus BS and WH. Nothing more.
That must be wrong, because at least
All Down The Line
Sweet Virginia
Shine A Light
and
Loving Cup
are on the abkco sampler release: Songs of The Rolling Stones
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mitch
One of the rarest track is probably "Claudine" from a surviving first pressing of Emotional Rescue. (if it exists...)
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One of the rarest track is probably "Claudine" from a surviving first pressing of Emotional Rescue. (if it exists...)
Never heard about that, would be a nice find
I have a copy from India of "Emotional Rescue" with copyright/produced 1980 on artwork and label, but with "If I Was A Dancer" instead of "Dance".
Not a rare track at all but just in case they've really released it in 1980 they were a year ahead in time with "If I Was A Dancer".
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jlowe
Just out of interest, does DECCA have any involvement/income from the Stones now?
Or is the pre 70's material solely owned by ABKCO?
ABKCO Music owns the 1960s songs, all the songs on STICKY FINGERS and a few songs on EXILE.
Only WH and BS (possibly SM) + SAL and LC (possibly SBA)?
yeah, I don't believe it's all the songs on Sticky Fingers either.
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kowalski
- Almost hear You Sigh - promo remix
I've been aware of this for years, still never heard it.
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JumpingKentFlash
As far as I know it's the 60s material plus BS and WH. Nothing more.
That must be wrong, because at least
All Down The Line
Sweet Virginia
Shine A Light
and
Loving Cup
are on the abkco sampler release: Songs of The Rolling Stones
AH HA! That's where you're wrong! It's not 'Shine A Light'...it's 'Shine THE Light'!
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jlowe
Just out of interest, does DECCA have any involvement/income from the Stones now?
Or is the pre 70's material solely owned by ABKCO?
ABKCO Music owns the 1960s songs, all the songs on STICKY FINGERS and a few songs on EXILE.
Only WH and BS (possibly SM) + SAL and LC (possibly SBA)?
yeah, I don't believe it's all the songs on Sticky Fingers either.
All the songs on SF are ABKCO Music, the same as the songs on LET IT BLEED and BEGGARS and so on. The Stones may own the masters...