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Sounds like another track/part patched in to me as well. No idea if it's from another take or if it's just another part of the same take, always sounded like two different takes to me. There are also two versions of the sax solo, I believe. But what do I know, they forgot to ask me to join them in the studio ...
Did you find two versions with Keith and Ronnie?
Ah, ok. I was thinking of the version Liveathidepark posted on page 6
yup!
thank you for clarifying...I thought the doi dee was a lyric!
Carry on!
One of Rskinno's "mighty" reworks?
Why in the hell is this so awesome? It's not even really a song, it's just a jam!
And more importantly, why, not once, have they played this live...just as an experiment even? What a load of fun that would be onstage.
Not performing Slave during one, or some, of the Licks Tour theatre shows was a missed opportunity, in my opinion.; especially considering - as Four Flicks proved - they rehearsed it in the studio. Perhaps it was solely for the cameras, but it would've been a great addition to the Euro Leg of the tour, as, for me, the theatre set-lists there were a little stale and less interesting than those from earlier on in the tour, in the U.S.A.
Not a song maybe, but what a great masterpiece of music!!
A "middle-aged" peak if you will. Though was this one of the ones from 1973? I don't remember.
If I’m not wrong it was 1975/1976
In a way it is but the finished TY version displays another side of the band's talent : the ability to take a raw blueprint of a song, excise all the weak parts, keeping all the good bits, and slap on it a tremendous sax solo 6 years after the original take was recorded and keeping it organic.
If you listen to the successive versions of the songs from 80 and 81 (courtesy of the Art Collins archives) you notice how the band (or Jagger?) tried this vocal track, this Sonny Rollins solo until everything was just perfect.
I've said this many times before. They are the ultimate performance band, insofar as they can even take a song that is relatively mundane and through shear willpower (read performance) make it iconic.
Case in point, She's So Cold. A fabulous Stones song to be sure, but not a great song per se. Could anyone else ever do it justice?
They can barely perform it well themselves onstage, but the record is absolutely sublime.
Mick's voice here just incredible, so fresh and mesmerising, honestly at this period Mick could sing nursery rhymes and I'd pay to listen.
You can't sing like this unless your soul is in it.
To me, Slave is great, Suck on the Jugular is at best average. Slave just has that groove that Suck doesn't come close to.
Haven't heard that one in a while. They certainly faded it out at the right time.
Sadly it seems to be the only song (apart from RS Blues) not to have been rehearsed in LA.
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Funnily, listening Jagger, this sounds like made for EMOTIONAL RESCUE. You know, that loose, half-drunken delivery typical to many tracks there. For TATTOO YOU he sharpened up, probably cut the booze, and discovered a new, more focused way of singing.
But damn that backing track is a helluva piece of music. Really 'kids don't try this at home' stuff. The funkish blues groove with probably the most balls-full riff ever put on tape. I recall the days when I as a young kid listening to it and was totally stunned. It was like a revelation: fvck, forget all flashy solos or whatever, this is what guitar playing is all about. From that moment on, I was assured that Keith Richards is the biggest rock and roll guitarist alive. And there was no one even close.
- Doxa
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Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
doitywoik
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Date: August 10, 2019 06:17
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That clip is actually two different tracks (rather badly) merged into one.
The sound changes but it's the same take.
Sounds like another track/part patched in to me as well. No idea if it's from another take or if it's just another part of the same take, always sounded like two different takes to me. There are also two versions of the sax solo, I believe. But what do I know, they forgot to ask me to join them in the studio ...
Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 10, 2019 06:20
Not two takes, but the original version is an edit of the longer sax solo. You recognise the cuts when you hear the Virgin version.
Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
GivenToFly15
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Date: August 10, 2019 16:38
I’m sorry but it is not as simple as that. I really don’t think the YouTube clip is anything but a fan-made paste. A while ago i tracked all bootlegged versions of « Slave » and i actually found both versions on two different boots. Nothing indicates they both belong together - until it’s proven.
Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 10, 2019 16:52
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GivenToFly15
I’m sorry but it is not as simple as that. I really don’t think the YouTube clip is anything but a fan-made paste. A while ago i tracked all bootlegged versions of « Slave » and i actually found both versions on two different boots. Nothing indicates they both belong together - until it’s proven.
Did you find two versions with Keith and Ronnie?
Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
GivenToFly15
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Date: August 10, 2019 20:00
We’re talking about the YouTube clip, here. At least I am.
The clip begins with instruments only until 1:24. Then the sound changes for the first Mick vocals. Then at 06:48 there’s a fade out-fade in between what is clearly two tracks. Also I could swear a segment is actually repeated twice in the clip (I don’t have time to confirm it however).
So I think it’s fair to say that nothing proves this stuff comes from the « same take » - far from it actually, especially with the numerous versions that were recorded/remixed or the amount of overdubs. I’m waiting for a proof, until then I don’t trust YouTube clips that come from nowhere with bad mixing... Sorry.
I could mix two versions of « Fancy Man Blues » together (oh wait, i did it for my own listening pleasure!) and pretend it’s one long take. That would not be true just because i say it.
The clip begins with instruments only until 1:24. Then the sound changes for the first Mick vocals. Then at 06:48 there’s a fade out-fade in between what is clearly two tracks. Also I could swear a segment is actually repeated twice in the clip (I don’t have time to confirm it however).
So I think it’s fair to say that nothing proves this stuff comes from the « same take » - far from it actually, especially with the numerous versions that were recorded/remixed or the amount of overdubs. I’m waiting for a proof, until then I don’t trust YouTube clips that come from nowhere with bad mixing... Sorry.
I could mix two versions of « Fancy Man Blues » together (oh wait, i did it for my own listening pleasure!) and pretend it’s one long take. That would not be true just because i say it.
Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 10, 2019 20:27
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GivenToFly15
We’re talking about the YouTube clip, here. At least I am.
The clip begins with instruments only until 1:24. Then the sound changes for the first Mick vocals. Then at 06:48 there’s a fade out-fade in between what is clearly two tracks. Also I could swear a segment is actually repeated twice in the clip (I don’t have time to confirm it however).
So I think it’s fair to say that nothing proves this stuff comes from the « same take » - far from it actually, especially with the numerous versions that were recorded/remixed or the amount of overdubs. I’m waiting for a proof, until then I don’t trust YouTube clips that come from nowhere with bad mixing... Sorry.
I could mix two versions of « Fancy Man Blues » together (oh wait, i did it for my own listening pleasure!) and pretend it’s one long take. That would not be true just because i say it.
Ah, ok. I was thinking of the version Liveathidepark posted on page 6
Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: August 10, 2019 23:27
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I thought Townshend was on the studio version. It was reported at the time when TY cane out, if memory serves?
Only backing vocals, though.
That is correct... if he's even in the mix!
Brilliant song, really. There is no room for improvement. It's one of those songs they did that turned out to be great just because of what they did. Clearly it's a playing song - the riffage, the beat, the rhythm, the sax - one of those songs that, like Fingerprint File or Winter or If You Really Want To Be My Friend or Can You Hear The Music... it works not only because it's not THE hit single or typical blues etc but that it's them playing.
It's easy to say "They wouldn't've come up with that in 1982 for UNDERCOVER or on and on and on... even for the new supposed album - the people that find it boring are probably more greatest hits/warhorses types - they can't fathom the talent that made Slave what it is: a brilliant display of rhythm and, really, very dark lyrics.
Would it have fit BLACK AND BLUE? Sure. But it wouldn't be like it was when it was worked on further more in 1980 and 81.
Damn, that's some deep sh*t; excellent post.
yup!
Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: August 10, 2019 23:28
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ba-dump
ba-dump
ba-ba-pa-ba-pa
bada-bump
ba-dump
Isn't it more like:
Bap-da-bap
Da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da
bap-da-bap
da-ba-da/ da-ba-da
no...you're wrong
Right there with the ba dap hits, but the last line goes more like
"Doi -dee, doi-dee"
Doi-dee?!
We're talking Rolling Stones in this thread, not Beatles.
This ain't no O Bla Di O Bla Da!
LOL you know that twanging bent guitar riff that they do twice descneding after the main thing. btw much power to the Fab4, but they never did master a good doi-dee bend.
thank you for clarifying...I thought the doi dee was a lyric!
Carry on!
Re: Track Talk: Slave
Posted by:
dcba
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Date: August 11, 2019 09:28
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GivenToFly15
I could swear a segment is actually repeated twice in the clip (I don’t have time to confirm it however).
One of Rskinno's "mighty" reworks?
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
JMARKO
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Date: April 17, 2024 00:24
There is no 12” of Slave. There was an extended version released on the Virgin remaster/reissue of Tattoo You in the 90s. Not sure if that is the ‘stock’ version used for streaming services or not.
Any other longer version of Slave is an outtake/bootleg.
Any other longer version of Slave is an outtake/bootleg.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: April 17, 2024 16:16
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5strings
Where Can i find the best and clean version of Slave long version 12''
Thanks
I find this one
[youtu.be]
Why in the hell is this so awesome? It's not even really a song, it's just a jam!
And more importantly, why, not once, have they played this live...just as an experiment even? What a load of fun that would be onstage.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: April 17, 2024 16:55
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treaclefingersQuote
5strings
Where Can i find the best and clean version of Slave long version 12''
Thanks
I find this one
[youtu.be]
Why in the hell is this so awesome? It's not even really a song, it's just a jam!
And more importantly, why, not once, have they played this live...just as an experiment even? What a load of fun that would be onstage.
Not performing Slave during one, or some, of the Licks Tour theatre shows was a missed opportunity, in my opinion.; especially considering - as Four Flicks proved - they rehearsed it in the studio. Perhaps it was solely for the cameras, but it would've been a great addition to the Euro Leg of the tour, as, for me, the theatre set-lists there were a little stale and less interesting than those from earlier on in the tour, in the U.S.A.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
Christiaan
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Date: April 17, 2024 17:04
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Big AlQuote
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5strings
Where Can i find the best and clean version of Slave long version 12''
Thanks
I find this one
[youtu.be]
Why in the hell is this so awesome? It's not even really a song, it's just a jam!
And more importantly, why, not once, have they played this live...just as an experiment even? What a load of fun that would be onstage.
Not performing Slave during one, or some, of the Licks Tour theatre shows was a missed opportunity, in my opinion.; especially considering - as Four Flicks proved - they rehearsed it in the studio. Perhaps it was solely for the cameras, but it would've been a great addition to the Euro Leg of the tour, as, for me, the theatre set-lists there were a little stale and less interesting than those from earlier on in the tour, in the U.S.A.
Not a song maybe, but what a great masterpiece of music!!
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
wiredallnight
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Date: April 17, 2024 18:38
CD The Pain Of Love, DAC-107
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: April 17, 2024 18:44
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ChristiaanQuote
Big AlQuote
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5strings
Where Can i find the best and clean version of Slave long version 12''
Thanks
I find this one
[youtu.be]
Why in the hell is this so awesome? It's not even really a song, it's just a jam!
And more importantly, why, not once, have they played this live...just as an experiment even? What a load of fun that would be onstage.
Not performing Slave during one, or some, of the Licks Tour theatre shows was a missed opportunity, in my opinion.; especially considering - as Four Flicks proved - they rehearsed it in the studio. Perhaps it was solely for the cameras, but it would've been a great addition to the Euro Leg of the tour, as, for me, the theatre set-lists there were a little stale and less interesting than those from earlier on in the tour, in the U.S.A.
Not a song maybe, but what a great masterpiece of music!!
A "middle-aged" peak if you will. Though was this one of the ones from 1973? I don't remember.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
Christiaan
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Date: April 17, 2024 19:39
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treaclefingersQuote
ChristiaanQuote
Big AlQuote
treaclefingersQuote
5strings
Where Can i find the best and clean version of Slave long version 12''
Thanks
I find this one
[youtu.be]
Why in the hell is this so awesome? It's not even really a song, it's just a jam!
And more importantly, why, not once, have they played this live...just as an experiment even? What a load of fun that would be onstage.
Not performing Slave during one, or some, of the Licks Tour theatre shows was a missed opportunity, in my opinion.; especially considering - as Four Flicks proved - they rehearsed it in the studio. Perhaps it was solely for the cameras, but it would've been a great addition to the Euro Leg of the tour, as, for me, the theatre set-lists there were a little stale and less interesting than those from earlier on in the tour, in the U.S.A.
Not a song maybe, but what a great masterpiece of music!!
A "middle-aged" peak if you will. Though was this one of the ones from 1973? I don't remember.
If I’m not wrong it was 1975/1976
Re: Slave long song
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: April 17, 2024 21:58
Quote
treaclefingers
Why in the hell is this so awesome? It's not even really a song, it's just a jam!
In a way it is but the finished TY version displays another side of the band's talent : the ability to take a raw blueprint of a song, excise all the weak parts, keeping all the good bits, and slap on it a tremendous sax solo 6 years after the original take was recorded and keeping it organic.
If you listen to the successive versions of the songs from 80 and 81 (courtesy of the Art Collins archives) you notice how the band (or Jagger?) tried this vocal track, this Sonny Rollins solo until everything was just perfect.
Re: Slave long song
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: April 18, 2024 08:26
Quote
dcbaQuote
treaclefingers
Why in the hell is this so awesome? It's not even really a song, it's just a jam!
In a way it is but the finished TY version displays another side of the band's talent : the ability to take a raw blueprint of a song, excise all the weak parts, keeping all the good bits, and slap on it a tremendous sax solo 6 years after the original take was recorded and keeping it organic.
If you listen to the successive versions of the songs from 80 and 81 (courtesy of the Art Collins archives) you notice how the band (or Jagger?) tried this vocal track, this Sonny Rollins solo until everything was just perfect.
I've said this many times before. They are the ultimate performance band, insofar as they can even take a song that is relatively mundane and through shear willpower (read performance) make it iconic.
Case in point, She's So Cold. A fabulous Stones song to be sure, but not a great song per se. Could anyone else ever do it justice?
They can barely perform it well themselves onstage, but the record is absolutely sublime.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
PaintMonkeyManBlack
()
Date: April 18, 2024 10:41
Slave is one of the best songs ever. So sad they didn't go for it in 2002/2003
But Slave got a son born in 2023 named Get Close and although not as cool as his dad maybe we will hear this one soon.
But Slave got a son born in 2023 named Get Close and although not as cool as his dad maybe we will hear this one soon.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: April 18, 2024 12:00
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5strings
Where Can i find the best and clean version of Slave long version 12''
Thanks
I find this one
[youtu.be]
Mick's voice here just incredible, so fresh and mesmerising, honestly at this period Mick could sing nursery rhymes and I'd pay to listen.
You can't sing like this unless your soul is in it.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
marcovandereijk
()
Date: April 18, 2024 12:36
A lot of fans praise Slave, but despise Suck on the jugular. I can not see the reason.
In my humble opinion Suck on the jugular is also an interesting jam, based on Charlies
groove.
Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away
In my humble opinion Suck on the jugular is also an interesting jam, based on Charlies
groove.
Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: April 18, 2024 12:53
Yep interesting but it dont have
that the low-geared sleaze of Slave ...
ROCKMAN
that the low-geared sleaze of Slave ...
ROCKMAN
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 18, 2024 13:51
The Slave version with Ronnie is interesting.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
LeonidP
()
Date: April 19, 2024 05:06
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marcovandereijk
A lot of fans praise Slave, but despise Suck on the jugular. I can not see the reason.
In my humble opinion Suck on the jugular is also an interesting jam, based on Charlies
groove.
To me, Slave is great, Suck on the Jugular is at best average. Slave just has that groove that Suck doesn't come close to.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 20, 2024 07:21
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5strings
Where Can i find the best and clean version of Slave long version 12''
Thanks
I find this one
[youtu.be]
Haven't heard that one in a while. They certainly faded it out at the right time.
Re: slave long song
Posted by:
gotdablouse
()
Date: April 20, 2024 10:57
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PaintMonkeyManBlack
Slave is one of the best songs ever. So sad they didn't go for it in 2002/2003
But Slave got a son born in 2023 named Get Close and although not as cool as his dad maybe we will hear this one soon.
Sadly it seems to be the only song (apart from RS Blues) not to have been rehearsed in LA.
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Re: slave long song
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: April 20, 2024 13:27
Quote
5strings
Where Can i find the best and clean version of Slave long version 12''
Thanks
I find this one
[youtu.be]
Funnily, listening Jagger, this sounds like made for EMOTIONAL RESCUE. You know, that loose, half-drunken delivery typical to many tracks there. For TATTOO YOU he sharpened up, probably cut the booze, and discovered a new, more focused way of singing.
But damn that backing track is a helluva piece of music. Really 'kids don't try this at home' stuff. The funkish blues groove with probably the most balls-full riff ever put on tape. I recall the days when I as a young kid listening to it and was totally stunned. It was like a revelation: fvck, forget all flashy solos or whatever, this is what guitar playing is all about. From that moment on, I was assured that Keith Richards is the biggest rock and roll guitarist alive. And there was no one even close.
- Doxa
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