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I can see why people may have had flashbacks of Schumacher vs Battiston in 1982, but this was quite different. Neuer clearly hit the ball before he collided with Higuain, therefore it wasn't foul play.
It's not really relevant whether Neuer hit the ball: it was his raised knee that was there for only one purpose: to torpedo Higuain. It was a vicious attack.
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gimmelittledrink
Neuer was probably retailating for the hit on Christian Kramer, which was much worse, by the way.
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It´s Kind of strange to read how many persons think about who was the best player, best goal keeper, best defender, etc. Ronaldo? Messi? Neymar? Müller? Robben? Who cares? ...
Maybe you ask this question because the German team is a bunch of craftsmen with not a single excellent player but enormous success as a team? Just speculating...
Personally I prefer Robben to Schweinsteiger - this is like Art compared to heavy labor.
Congrats anyway
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I can see why people may have had flashbacks of Schumacher vs Battiston in 1982, but this was quite different. Neuer clearly hit the ball before he collided with Higuain, therefore it wasn't foul play.
It's not really relevant whether Neuer hit the ball: it was his raised knee that was there for only one purpose: to torpedo Higuain. It was a vicious attack.
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I can see why people may have had flashbacks of Schumacher vs Battiston in 1982, but this was quite different. Neuer clearly hit the ball before he collided with Higuain, therefore it wasn't foul play.
It's not really relevant whether Neuer hit the ball: it was his raised knee that was there for only one purpose: to torpedo Higuain. It was a vicious attack.
It reminded me a bit of this episode from Norwegian football, where the German goalkeeper Heinz Muller knocked out Geir Ludvig Fevang who broke his jaw.
No action was taken by the referee, no card, no penalty. Fevang could have been killed. Most referees seems to protect goalkeepers in every situation. Whenever they fall down in the box, whether it's contact or not, they're given a free kick.
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71Tele
Agree with Kleermaker partially: The offside rule should be modified. And a goal in extra time should end the game. Why risk another tie and shootout? AND if they must do shootouts, move the ball back so the likelihood of success would be more like 50% instead of 90%, a better test of skill for each player than the nearly-automatic penalty kick.
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gimmelittledrink
Neuer was probably retailating for the hit on Christian Kramer, which was much worse, by the way.
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DandelionPowderman
I thought Messi did a fairly good match, albeit not as outstanding as he sometimes is.
Remember, he is constantly being pushed, held pinched and kicked - more than other striker. Ending up as Argentina's top scorer is impressive compared to his last WC, imo.
Wasted? Nope.
PS: I enjoyed your post, kleerie. But by removing the offside rules, fotball would be a drastically different game.
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71Tele
Agree with Kleermaker partially: The offside rule should be modified. And a goal in extra time should end the game. Why risk another tie and shootout? AND if they must do shootouts, move the ball back so the likelihood of success would be more like 50% instead of 90%, a better test of skill for each player than the nearly-automatic penalty kick.
They tried sudden death/golden goal before. I'm not sure if there are many who miss it.
After all, we want as much football as possible
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71Tele
Agree with Kleermaker partially: The offside rule should be modified. And a goal in extra time should end the game. Why risk another tie and shootout? AND if they must do shootouts, move the ball back so the likelihood of success would be more like 50% instead of 90%, a better test of skill for each player than the nearly-automatic penalty kick.
They tried sudden death/golden goal before. I'm not sure if there are many who miss it.
After all, we want as much football as possible
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DandelionPowderman
I agree with your last paragraph, kleerie
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Not to forget Arjen Robben, imo the best player in this tournament.
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I can see why people may have had flashbacks of Schumacher vs Battiston in 1982, but this was quite different. Neuer clearly hit the ball before he collided with Higuain, therefore it wasn't foul play.
It's not really relevant whether Neuer hit the ball: it was his raised knee that was there for only one purpose: to torpedo Higuain. It was a vicious attack.
It must be relevant if Neuer hit the ball, as opposed to just going for the opponent. I am only an occasional goalkeeper myself, but I know it from people who are goalkeepers that they get trained to lift their knees when jumping high to protect themselves, so this becomes an automatic reaction, rather than an intention to bring down the opponent. Whether this should be allowed considering the added risk of injury to the opponent is a good question, but it is standard practice at the moment and it doesn't usually get penalized. If you look at it carefully, Neuer's gaze is completely fixed on the ball until the moment he clears it, so in my eyes the "vicious attack" is on the ball, not the opponent. Football is a rough game and the risk of injury is always there even when the play is fair, it's a part of the game (I'm happy that Higuain escaped serious injury in this case).
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Not to forget Arjen Robben, imo the best player in this tournament.
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I agree with your last paragraph, kleerie
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I agree with your last paragraph, kleerie
There is a potentially dangerous arising here. We are moreorless in agreement with kleer on a few recent posts. Something must be going wrong! ><
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I can see why people may have had flashbacks of Schumacher vs Battiston in 1982, but this was quite different. Neuer clearly hit the ball before he collided with Higuain, therefore it wasn't foul play.
It's not really relevant whether Neuer hit the ball: it was his raised knee that was there for only one purpose: to torpedo Higuain. It was a vicious attack.
It must be relevant if Neuer hit the ball, as opposed to just going for the opponent. I am only an occasional goalkeeper myself, but I know it from people who are goalkeepers that they get trained to lift their knees when jumping high to protect themselves, so this becomes an automatic reaction, rather than an intention to bring down the opponent. Whether this should be allowed considering the added risk of injury to the opponent is a good question, but it is standard practice at the moment and it doesn't usually get penalized. If you look at it carefully, Neuer's gaze is completely fixed on the ball until the moment he clears it, so in my eyes the "vicious attack" is on the ball, not the opponent. Football is a rough game and the risk of injury is always there even when the play is fair, it's a part of the game (I'm happy that Higuain escaped serious injury in this case).
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Not to forget Arjen Robben, imo the best player in this tournament.
He deserves the both them!
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The winning of the championship is due to the intense youth development programmes of the DFB (German Football Association). Not to forget in this discussion: Joachim Löw was and is a great admirer of the Spanish soccer. There are intense "Spanish influences" on German clubs and the national team, last, but not least by Pep Gardiola, the team manager of Bayern München.
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treaclefingers
Knee lift looked as though it was to protect himself.
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DandelionPowderman
I agree with your last paragraph, kleerie
There is a potentially dangerous arising here. We are moreorless in agreement with kleer on a few recent posts. Something must be going wrong! ><