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I write here about Mick because I get the impression from moderator's orders that this thread is dedicated to deal this 'matter' from all possible angles, as long they are done with a respect. If it does look unsuitable here - because I don't speak of L'Wren - please let me know people, and I'll find it another thread ('complaint' one I guess).


As far as Mick Jagger goes, what is also so tragical in this horrible event is that during his time with L'Wren Sir Mick finally seemed to get out of the tabloid crap he's been associated with all of his adult life. There weren't any longer nasty gossips reporting his doings here and there. The last time Jagger really was making negative headlines was his divorce with Jerry. Then Jagger got - rightly or not I don't know - all the hate and dispise from pseudo-feminist/ moralistic tabloid camp one could get. The only time since then that happened it was thanks to his band-mate to have fun of him negatively (todger-gate). Jagger simply haven't offered material any longer to make such news, and the tabloid scene have also accepted this 'new' Jagger. He has his reputation, we all know that, but what actually has happened have been damn positive to him. The aging rock star - and the one most protecting for his privacy - have been able to live his life, which also from an outset - the front to public sphere - looked relaxed and 'good'. The kids all around the world were singing "move like Jagger", and recognizing his iconist status, and the guy himself looked like making a peace with his own legendary past, and, you know, maturing up. It all has looked so great for Jagger in public.

But now all of that explodes in one big bang - maybe in biggest one ever. Not that this must be his biggest personal tragedy ever, damn sure the tabloid will have a field day. 'Yeah, that's our Jagger! We almost forget that one, but he's back!'And shit, there are all those biographers already busy editing their Jagger-books to add there a new final chapter to go along with the scandalous earlier ones, and after some boring ones. It is both his private and public life on flames here. As so much he has to do sorting out his personal pain and private life, he needs to deal with the public one too.

I don't think he, after all these years, deserved and deserves that. That looks so unjust. So damn wrong. I guess for the very first time ever I actually am feeling sorry for him, as crazy as it might sound. He is a human being, after all. That semi-god.

Or at least this all looks very disappointing to my eyes; weren't we all like wittnessing a kind of 'happy end' in all fronts here, the band, is members and their families and lives - even Ronnie finally sorted out, Taylor back onboard - everybody feeling happy and rightfully so. We all were so happy.

And then disaster like this happens. In the very private center of the whole Stones world. It is just so sad. So terribly sad.

- Doxa

I agree with nearly all of this excellent post, but I do not feel much pity for Mick. It would seem that L'Wren felt she had lost everything. There is no way of putting a good spin on it, or even doing damage control. Are we expected to believe this PR - that after Mick sponsored L'Wren's design career from day 1, she is driven to suicide because of a business debt? We're not idiots, though some diehard fanboys and fangirls seem to have parked their critical reasoning power at the door. Poor L'Wren is just collateral damage.

We don't know anything about this, and imo we certainly should not speculate whether this tragic death had anything to do with what you are insinuating here...

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I write here about Mick because I get the impression from moderator's orders that this thread is dedicated to deal this 'matter' from all possible angles, as long they are done with a respect. If it does look unsuitable here - because I don't speak of L'Wren - please let me know people, and I'll find it another thread ('complaint' one I guess).


As far as Mick Jagger goes, what is also so tragical in this horrible event is that during his time with L'Wren Sir Mick finally seemed to get out of the tabloid crap he's been associated with all of his adult life. There weren't any longer nasty gossips reporting his doings here and there. The last time Jagger really was making negative headlines was his divorce with Jerry. Then Jagger got - rightly or not I don't know - all the hate and dispise from pseudo-feminist/ moralistic tabloid camp one could get. The only time since then that happened it was thanks to his band-mate to have fun of him negatively (todger-gate). Jagger simply haven't offered material any longer to make such news, and the tabloid scene have also accepted this 'new' Jagger. He has his reputation, we all know that, but what actually has happened have been damn positive to him. The aging rock star - and the one most protecting for his privacy - have been able to live his life, which also from an outset - the front to public sphere - looked relaxed and 'good'. The kids all around the world were singing "move like Jagger", and recognizing his iconist status, and the guy himself looked like making a peace with his own legendary past, and, you know, maturing up. It all has looked so great for Jagger in public.

But now all of that explodes in one big bang - maybe in biggest one ever. Not that this must be his biggest personal tragedy ever, damn sure the tabloid will have a field day. 'Yeah, that's our Jagger! We almost forget that one, but he's back!'And shit, there are all those biographers already busy editing their Jagger-books to add there a new final chapter to go along with the scandalous earlier ones, and after some boring ones. It is both his private and public life on flames here. As so much he has to do sorting out his personal pain and private life, he needs to deal with the public one too.

I don't think he, after all these years, deserved and deserves that. That looks so unjust. So damn wrong. I guess for the very first time ever I actually am feeling sorry for him, as crazy as it might sound. He is a human being, after all. That semi-god.

Or at least this all looks very disappointing to my eyes; weren't we all like wittnessing a kind of 'happy end' in all fronts here, the band, is members and their families and lives - even Ronnie finally sorted out, Taylor back onboard - everybody feeling happy and rightfully so. We all were so happy.

And then disaster like this happens. In the very private center of the whole Stones world. It is just so sad. So terribly sad.

- Doxa

I agree with nearly all of this excellent post, but I do not feel much pity for Mick. It would seem that L'Wren felt she had lost everything. There is no way of putting a good spin on it, or even doing damage control. Are we expected to believe this PR - that after Mick sponsored L'Wren's design career from day 1, she is driven to suicide because of a business debt? We're not idiots, though some diehard fanboys and fangirls seem to have parked their critical reasoning power at the door. Poor L'Wren is just collateral damage.

We don't know anything about this, and imo we certainly should not speculate whether this tragic death had anything to do with what you are insinuating here...

I think it is a private matter. But playing Ruby Tuesday at the next show with no lighting effects but a spotlight on Jagger and the others and no video screen illumination would send a simple message.

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By speculating you embarrass yourself, by stating the obvious you embarrass everyone here including the band

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I personally think it is inappropriate for any of us to run wild with speculation and repeat what the tabloids are saying because right now Mick is in bad pain...no matter the circumstances, and if we care about MICK, the man, we should simply send positive, healing thoughts and prayers his way (and to her family and friends.)..nothing else should matter...this was someone very close to him, end of story...all of the gossip and guessing about this VERY PERSONAL MATTER is frankly disgusting.

where are people running wild with speculation? simply by citing high profile reports? where is the "gossip and guessing"? i think you are wildly overstating - these are highly public people that make news - a reasonable discussion of events hardly seems untoward. That's all that is happening here. Do you discuss the missing malaysian plane? crimea? those all have personal components as well- this is also a "news" story. Personally, i do not care about "MICK the man" (whatever that means) - I care about music. And i feel for *anyone* that must endure this sort of loss as an order of humanity - not because they are a rock star i admire.

If I'm tired of anything here it is the sanctimonious preaching about things that are not even happening - and being told what I *should* be feeling.

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I don't think that photo of Mick coming out of the restaurant did him a disservice.

Lou Reed once wrote "there's a bit of good in everything".

Rightly or wrongly over the decades Mick has had to wear the reputation of a "take or leave it - heartbreaking heart of stone".

The report that he had tears rolling down his face in the restaurant and that photo............well it kicks all that previous crap into touch, you never know, he might find that he's treated a bit more humanely as a result.........

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Yes,

I am finding the tabloid coverage of L'Wren's demise disturbing: did they have to be so intrusive to take a photo of Mick Jagger, when it appeared that he was deeply upset ?

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You answered your own question. It's tabloid coverage. I'm wondering if just cancelling the rest of the 14 on Fire Tour would be the most appropriate decision given this personal tragedy and subsequent media feeding frenzy. I wonder what the fans would think about this. It would allow time for healing and for things to cool off. Okay, fair enough, the "show must go on," but this is a very sad time and what type of performance can Jagger give? I'd understand.

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I don't think that photo of Mick coming out of the restaurant did him a disservice.

Lou Reed once wrote "there's a bit of good in everything".

Rightly or wrongly over the decades Mick has had to wear the reputation of a "take or leave it - heartbreaking heart of stone".

The report that he had tears rolling down his face in the restaurant and that photo............well it kicks all that previous crap into touch, you never know, he might find that he's treated a bit more humanely as a result.........

Lou Reed also wrote "The bad makes the good and there's something to be learned from every human experience".

Probably as good a statement as any at this time.

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The Stones did the right thing!

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The Stones did the right thing!

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The Rolling Stones are deeply sorry and disappointed to announce the postponement of the rest of their 14 ON FIRE tour of Australia and New Zealand following the death of L’Wren Scott.

Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts and Ronnie Wood wish to thank all of their fans for their support at this difficult time and hope that they will fully understand the reason for this announcement.

The Rolling Stones are planning to reschedule these postponed shows at a later date.

The postponed shows are:

Perth Arena – 19 March - postponed
Adelaide Oval – 22 March - postponed
Sydney Allphones Arena – 25 March - postponed
Melbourne Rod Laver Arena – 28 March - postponed
Macedon Ranges Hanging Rock – 30 March - postponed
Brisbane Entertainment Centre – 2 April - postponed
Auckland Mt Smart Stadium – 5 April - postponed

Australia/New Zealand promoters ask ticket holders to please hold on to their tickets until further notice. A new schedule of dates is presently being worked on and will be advised as soon as possible. Information will be made available via rollingstones.com and frontiertouring.com as soon as available.

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I'm glad you GET IT, WITNESS, and for those who don't, I make no apologies. I stand by my statement and what I'd advocating is a little decency and sensitivity...I happen to CARE about MICK as a person...he's not just a rock star on stage...too bad for those who feel otherwise. I will not dignify any of the callous remarks made by calling out individuals..this is NOT the time or place.

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Weird how many fans pretend to be some kind of volontary PR agents against other fans who dare speculate about what just happened to one of the most celebrated persons ever. We all understand this is horrible to Mick and her family and friends.

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The Stones did the right thing!

My thought, too.

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The Stones did the right thing!

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Yes,

I am finding the tabloid coverage of L'Wren's demise disturbing: did they have to be so intrusive to take a photo of Mick Jagger, when it appeared that he was deeply upset ?

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Yes,

I am finding the tabloid coverage of L'Wren's demise disturbing: did they have to be so intrusive to take a photo of Mick Jagger, when it appeared that he was deeply upset ?

To be fair, the photographer may not have known about L'Wren's death when he took the photo. He may have just been waiting outside of the restaurant for Mick to leave like all paparazzi do and took the photo then....