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Nope, I know and could mention quite a lot of musicians that appreciate Taylor not being on the "square side" of noodling, him running through the stock phrases etc.
If you don't hear the beauty of his melodic lines, and that's only a part of his forte, well, so be it -, yes he had his bloopers, who hasn't ...and it's a matter of taste.
I pick him out of a zillion of other players. Taylor is trademark Taylor. Just like Keith.

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DoomandGloom
jeeze ... these are very old people, this is their last world tour, it's impossible what they are doing. Taylor is there partly for insurance, in case Keith can't finish a night or needs a rest for a tune or two, Taylor will retain credibility on stage. I am sure they are happy to help him get some money in the bank but the creative days are behind them and this is a business move. Let's hope our boys can hold it together for this monumental undertaking in 2014, while it's clear they are hanging on to life there's no reason why it can't be great music and a fun episode..

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His Majesty

You and they are too much of a fan.

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DandelionPowderman
Not many players have a trade mark sound. I´d say Keith has that even more than most guitarists. You know it´s the Rolling Stones playing just by listening to a Berry lick, a phrasing or a chord.

Why is he an "underdog", kleerie, and what does that mean?

Keith is almost always in the top 5 of the world´s greatest players (yeah, I know, those lists are stupid!). But you won´t end up there if you´re underrated/underappreciated/an underdog?

Do you mean he´s a poor guitar player?

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jeeze ... these are very old people, this is their last world tour, it's impossible what they are doing. Taylor is there partly for insurance, in case Keith can't finish a night or needs a rest for a tune or two, Taylor will retain credibility on stage. I am sure they are happy to help him get some money in the bank but the creative days are behind them and this is a business move. Let's hope our boys can hold it together for this monumental undertaking in 2014, while it's clear they are hanging on to life there's no reason why it can't be great music and a fun episode..

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Not many players have a trade mark sound. I´d say Keith has that even more than most guitarists. You know it´s the Rolling Stones playing just by listening to a Berry lick, a phrasing or a chord.

Why is he an "underdog", kleerie, and what does that mean?

Keith is almost always in the top 5 of the world´s greatest players (yeah, I know, those lists are stupid!). But you won´t end up there if you´re underrated/underappreciated/an underdog?

Do you mean he´s a poor guitar player?

He's a limited guitar player and he was my favourite because he was clearly the underdog in the guitar playing field, no matter his position in the so called top x 'greatest' players. Keith would agree himself as first.

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Not many players have a trade mark sound. I´d say Keith has that even more than most guitarists. You know it´s the Rolling Stones playing just by listening to a Berry lick, a phrasing or a chord.

Why is he an "underdog", kleerie, and what does that mean?

Keith is almost always in the top 5 of the world´s greatest players (yeah, I know, those lists are stupid!). But you won´t end up there if you´re underrated/underappreciated/an underdog?

Do you mean he´s a poor guitar player?

He's a limited guitar player and he was my favourite because he was clearly the underdog in the guitar playing field, no matter his position in the so called top x 'greatest' players. Keith would agree himself as first.

Underdog? Like he was limited, but everybody was cheering for him?

Not the Keith who inspired me with Angie, Make No Mistake, CYHMK, Little By Little or Tie You Up.

Knowing your limits is lesson number one for playing together with people. Give that one a thought...

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Not many players have a trade mark sound. I´d say Keith has that even more than most guitarists. You know it´s the Rolling Stones playing just by listening to a Berry lick, a phrasing or a chord.

Why is he an "underdog", kleerie, and what does that mean?

Keith is almost always in the top 5 of the world´s greatest players (yeah, I know, those lists are stupid!). But you won´t end up there if you´re underrated/underappreciated/an underdog?

Do you mean he´s a poor guitar player?

He's a limited guitar player and he was my favourite because he was clearly the underdog in the guitar playing field, no matter his position in the so called top x 'greatest' players. Keith would agree himself as first.

Underdog? Like he was limited, but everybody was cheering for him?

Not the Keith who inspired me with Angie, Make No Mistake, CYHMK, Little By Little or Tie You Up.

Knowing your limits is lesson number one for playing together with people. Give that one a thought...

Keith has that underdog feel around him. Don't you feel that?

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DoomandGloom
jeeze ... these are very old people, this is their last world tour, it's impossible what they are doing. Taylor is there partly for insurance, in case Keith can't finish a night or needs a rest for a tune or two, Taylor will retain credibility on stage. I am sure they are happy to help him get some money in the bank but the creative days are behind them and this is a business move. Let's hope our boys can hold it together for this monumental undertaking in 2014, while it's clear they are hanging on to life there's no reason why it can't be great music and a fun episode..

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jeeze ... these are very old people, [. . . ] while it's clear they are hanging on to life

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rob51
These bits of Taylor era live Stones prove it once again. They never sounded so good before or after him and Keith must have been pissed. You just bring up the rear while I handle the load up here boy is what it sounds like to me. Not something that would have sat too well with an egotist such as K.Richards seems to be, especially after all his own success with the band before Taylor came around. Too bad Keiths ego came before the musicall integrity of the band and he created enough tension for Mick T. to decide to run. Thats the way I see it anyway and of course your all welcome to attack now that I've said my piece.
I will say though that in Keiths defence few players were ever as good as M.Taylor was during his time with the Stones. And it was a futile battle if Keith thought he could even compete with Taylor at the time. One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era. Like Brian before him trying to take on M.Jagger for top dog in the band, Keith just couldn't come close to Mick as a guitar player, and its a shame we'll never know what might have been, had Keith been more willing to take less of an upfront roll?

Well, I think Keith is a much better guitar player than Taylor and that they sounded better before.

Now, you may think this is 1000 miles in to the land of ridiculous, but Keith was a musician who came up with so many creative, brilliant hooks, riffs, solos and multi guitar arrangements that defined somgs and inspired millions of people.

You focus on Keith's ego, but why not on Taylor's?

Anyway, Taylor had no intent to stay in the band for a long time, he was always going to leave.

The Rolling Stones was everything to Keith, for Taylor is was just an interesting thing to be involved in for awhile.

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rob51
These bits of Taylor era live Stones prove it once again. They never sounded so good before or after him and Keith must have been pissed. You just bring up the rear while I handle the load up here boy is what it sounds like to me. Not something that would have sat too well with an egotist such as K.Richards seems to be, especially after all his own success with the band before Taylor came around. Too bad Keiths ego came before the musicall integrity of the band and he created enough tension for Mick T. to decide to run. Thats the way I see it anyway and of course your all welcome to attack now that I've said my piece.
I will say though that in Keiths defence few players were ever as good as M.Taylor was during his time with the Stones. And it was a futile battle if Keith thought he could even compete with Taylor at the time. One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era. Like Brian before him trying to take on M.Jagger for top dog in the band, Keith just couldn't come close to Mick as a guitar player, and its a shame we'll never know what might have been, had Keith been more willing to take less of an upfront roll?

Well, I think Keith is a much better guitar player than Taylor and that they sounded better before.

Now, you may think this is 1000 miles in to the land of ridiculous, but Keith was a musician who came up with so many creative, brilliant hooks, riffs, solos and multi guitar arrangements that defined somgs and inspired millions of people.

You focus on Keith's ego, but why not on Taylor's?

Anyway, Taylor had no intent to stay in the band for a long time, he was always going to leave.

The Rolling Stones was everything to Keith, for Taylor is was just an interesting thing to be involved in for awhile.

That last sentence is very true. It's also true that Taylor had to get away or quit for his own good because he was in way over his head with drugs ..

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jeeze ... these are very old people, [. . . ] while it's clear they are hanging on to life

I take your point, but let's not exaggerate, now--Mick and Keith have only just turned 70, Ronnie isn't even there yet, and many people live for a couple more decades these days! Hearing somebody who prances around like Mick described as a very old person is kinda bizarre.

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DoomandGloom
jeeze ... these are very old people, [. . . ] while it's clear they are hanging on to life

I take your point, but let's not exaggerate, now--Mick and Keith have only just turned 70, Ronnie isn't even there yet, and many people live for a couple more decades these days! Hearing somebody who prances around like Mick described as a very old person is kinda bizarre.

I'm 52, play in a rock band and it is tough sometimes to keep the energy up 2 hours into a night.. Now of course The Stones have every luxury but when I'm on stage I don't really suffer from setting up, it's more from the travel, guitar weight, volume and lights... I run, lift weight and am fit. Mick at 70 has to feel it, Keith, well he's showing it more. They are astounding but this is temporary, we should really enjoy this gift from the rock gods... Everybody who thinks they'll wait for next time should get to a show or two..

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DoomandGloom
jeeze ... these are very old people, [. . . ] while it's clear they are hanging on to life

I take your point, but let's not exaggerate, now--Mick and Keith have only just turned 70, Ronnie isn't even there yet, and many people live for a couple more decades these days! Hearing somebody who prances around like Mick described as a very old person is kinda bizarre.

I'm 52, play in a rock band and it is tough sometimes to keep the energy up 2 hours into a night.. Now of course The Stones have every luxury but when I'm on stage I don't really suffer from setting up, it's more from the travel, guitar weight, volume and lights... I run, lift weight and am fit. Mick at 70 has to feel it, Keith, well he's showing it more. They are astounding but this is temporary, we should really enjoy this gift from the rock gods... Everybody who thinks they'll wait for next time should get to a show or two..

Are you going to make it to any of the shows on this tour, DoomandGloom? I can't do it, so I'm counting on a few more shows in the US. Hopefully, the gods of rock will be on my side.

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Keith has invented lots of great riffs, but as a guitar player he has never been that good

Well, pretty good intro's anyway.

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DoomandGloom
jeeze ... these are very old people, [. . . ] while it's clear they are hanging on to life

I take your point, but let's not exaggerate, now--Mick and Keith have only just turned 70, Ronnie isn't even there yet, and many people live for a couple more decades these days! Hearing somebody who prances around like Mick described as a very old person is kinda bizarre.

I'm 52, play in a rock band and it is tough sometimes to keep the energy up 2 hours into a night.. Now of course The Stones have every luxury but when I'm on stage I don't really suffer from setting up, it's more from the travel, guitar weight, volume and lights... I run, lift weight and am fit. Mick at 70 has to feel it, Keith, well he's showing it more. They are astounding but this is temporary, we should really enjoy this gift from the rock gods... Everybody who thinks they'll wait for next time should get to a show or two..

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rob51
These bits of Taylor era live Stones prove it once again. They never sounded so good before or after him and Keith must have been pissed. You just bring up the rear while I handle the load up here boy is what it sounds like to me. Not something that would have sat too well with an egotist such as K.Richards seems to be, especially after all his own success with the band before Taylor came around. Too bad Keiths ego came before the musicall integrity of the band and he created enough tension for Mick T. to decide to run. Thats the way I see it anyway and of course your all welcome to attack now that I've said my piece.
I will say though that in Keiths defence few players were ever as good as M.Taylor was during his time with the Stones. And it was a futile battle if Keith thought he could even compete with Taylor at the time. One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era. Like Brian before him trying to take on M.Jagger for top dog in the band, Keith just couldn't come close to Mick as a guitar player, and its a shame we'll never know what might have been, had Keith been more willing to take less of an upfront roll?

I don't think there any factual basis for this. It seems to be the product of an overactive imagination? The division of roles between Keith and Mick T during the 69-73 period came about because of Keith's respect to Taylor's abilities as a soloist. It's evidence of Keith's self-confidence that he was willing to step back and be primarily a rhythm guitarist. And that confidence is not surprising, since Keith is a genius - you can't learn to write guitar parts as instantly memorable as those on Satisfaction, Street Fighting Man, Jumping Jack Flash, Honky Tonk Women, Gimme Shelter, Brown Sugar, Start Me Up, etc., etc. It's something that you are born with - otherwise a lot more people would do it, and game and ringtone companies would be paying someone else.

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His Majesty


Faced with the crap songs on Black & Blue he probably would have bolted during those sessions anyway. He probably heard them in advance and wisely stepped out. I know I would have. ><

Agreed!