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I think the Stones occasionally write songs to attract younger fans to the music, and I see nothing wrong with that. When a person, aged 18 to 29, hears D and G, he may buy the new CD and acquaint himself with many other Stones classics. I enjoy seeing younger fans at concerts. They are the ones most likely to sing and yell and scream and dance and truly enjoy themselves.

You're out of touch. I'm 18 and the notion that Doom and Gloom is what could have made me a fan of the Stones is almost offensive.

Well said, Bastion. I think it is more that Mick is trying to write something that seems 'modern' at least to him, but isn't. Like adding the mild rap overdub to Anybody Seen My Baby would attract a younger crowd. Both are poorly/lazily written songs - filler at best. I'd rather that they cover some obscure blues or rock-n-roll than put out bad original music at this point. No newly released music from the Stones has enhanced their legacy since maybe Steel Wheels....and that was really just to show they they at least had something in the tank after melting down in the mid-80s. They either don't have the writing skills left to put together an album, or are working with production help that is not pushing them, or just don't care enough...or all 3.

Thought for record store day: 4 song EP covering Chuck Berry and other early rock n roll.

Many young non-Stones fans like it

I haven't liked the live versions of this song but I do like the studio version in and of itself.

I do think One More Shot is the weaker of the two, but it seemed to work better live for some reason.

I agree. Something is always happening when Keith is in charge of the guitar departement, instead of merely filling in like on D&G, imo.

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For the masses, you mean?

I love the song. A fresh sound at thectime, great singing and wonderful playing.

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For the masses, you mean?

I love the song. A fresh sound at thectime, great singing and wonderful playing.

I added "artistically and reception-wise" for not hitting the mark. That the masses didn't like it, just tells that the Stones couldn't reach them any longer convincingly no matter how 'contemporary' they tried to sound. That it was too 'controversial' lyricwise is bullshit. Damn, here in Finland we couldn't understand a shit about it tried to state (like most of international hit songs), but despite that not much impact (no matter how much the old critics tried to push it; the kids just weren't convinced).

I loved the song at the time, and thought exactly the way you did, but what I recall the 'world' thinking of it was just that the video seemed to cause any bigger interest.

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Please stop associating musical ignorance solely with age.

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For the masses, you mean?

I love the song. A fresh sound at thectime, great singing and wonderful playing.

I added "artistically and reception-wise" for not hitting the mark. That the masses didn't like it, just tells that the Stones couldn't reach them any longer convincingly no matter how 'contemporary' they tried to sound. That it was too 'controversial' lyricwise is bullshit. Damn, here in Finland we couldn't understand a shit about it tried to state (like most of international hit songs), but despite that not much impact (no matter how much the old critics tried to push it; the kids just weren't convinced).

I loved the song at the time, and thought exactly the way you did, but what I recall the 'world' thinking of it was just that the video seemed to cause any bigger interest.

- Doxa

In England at least this is just not true....It may not have done much in the charts but it got to have quite a status in nightclubs with loads of young people dancing and getting raucus with the chorus..........ala "we don't need no education..............we don't need your doom & gloom..............probably a lot of them didn't even know it was the Stones......

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For the masses, you mean?

I love the song. A fresh sound at thectime, great singing and wonderful playing.

I added "artistically and reception-wise" for not hitting the mark. That the masses didn't like it, just tells that the Stones couldn't reach them any longer convincingly no matter how 'contemporary' they tried to sound. That it was too 'controversial' lyricwise is bullshit. Damn, here in Finland we couldn't understand a shit about it tried to state (like most of international hit songs), but despite that not much impact (no matter how much the old critics tried to push it; the kids just weren't convinced).

I loved the song at the time, and thought exactly the way you did, but what I recall the 'world' thinking of it was just that the video seemed to cause any bigger interest.

- Doxa

In England at least this is just not true....It may not have done much in the charts but it got to have quite a status in nightclubs with loads of young people dancing and getting raucus with the chorus..........ala "we don't need no education..............we don't need your doom & gloom..............probably a lot of them didn't even know it was the Stones......

I guess you mean "Doom And Gloom" - DandelionPowderman and I were already freshing our memory about "Undercover of The Night" when we were kids...

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For the masses, you mean?

I love the song. A fresh sound at thectime, great singing and wonderful playing.

I added "artistically and reception-wise" for not hitting the mark. That the masses didn't like it, just tells that the Stones couldn't reach them any longer convincingly no matter how 'contemporary' they tried to sound. That it was too 'controversial' lyricwise is bullshit. Damn, here in Finland we couldn't understand a shit about it tried to state (like most of international hit songs), but despite that not much impact (no matter how much the old critics tried to push it; the kids just weren't convinced).

I loved the song at the time, and thought exactly the way you did, but what I recall the 'world' thinking of it was just that the video seemed to cause any bigger interest.

- Doxa

In England at least this is just not true....It may not have done much in the charts but it got to have quite a status in nightclubs with loads of young people dancing and getting raucus with the chorus..........ala "we don't need no education..............we don't need your doom & gloom..............probably a lot of them didn't even know it was the Stones......

I guess you mean "Doom And Gloom" - DandelionPowderman and I were already freshing our memory about "Undercover of The Night" when we were kids...

- Doxa

Ahhh right, sorry, that's what you get for opening your gob before 'you' know what you're taliking about..........

A big problem for Undercover in England was the vid got banned on the BBC and they weren't over enthusiastic about playing on the radio........and probably too political & heavy for a 'joyious' night out at the disco............the album did fairly well, no 3 and 18 weeks in the top 50...........

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Doom and gloom is a decent song that works well liv e in my opinion. It is not a Stones classic of course. I agree that One more shot is a caricature of a Stones song.

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It is a great song but it sounds like crap played live. In the chorus Mick is always out of sync with Lisa and Bernard, why not sing at the same time ? And also it's played way too fast = no groove.

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It is a great song but it sounds like crap played live. In the chorus Mick is always out of sync with Lisa and Bernard, why not sing at the same time ? And also it's played way too fast = no groove.

...even One More Shot sounds like crap played live.

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I think the Stones occasionally write songs to attract younger fans to the music, and I see nothing wrong with that. When a person, aged 18 to 29, hears D and G, he may buy the new CD and acquaint himself with many other Stones classics. I enjoy seeing younger fans at concerts. They are the ones most likely to sing and yell and scream and dance and truly enjoy themselves.

You're out of touch. I'm 18 and the notion that Doom and Gloom is what could have made me a fan of the Stones is almost offensive.

Well said, Bastion. I think it is more that Mick is trying to write something that seems 'modern' at least to him, but isn't. Like adding the mild rap overdub to Anybody Seen My Baby would attract a younger crowd. Both are poorly/lazily written songs - filler at best. I'd rather that they cover some obscure blues or rock-n-roll than put out bad original music at this point. No newly released music from the Stones has enhanced their legacy since maybe Steel Wheels....and that was really just to show they they at least had something in the tank after melting down in the mid-80s. They either don't have the writing skills left to put together an album, or are working with production help that is not pushing them, or just don't care enough...or all 3.

Thought for record store day: 4 song EP covering Chuck Berry and other early rock n roll.

Many young non-Stones fans like it

I haven't liked the live versions of this song but I do like the studio version in and of itself.

I do think One More Shot is the weaker of the two, but it seemed to work better live for some reason.

I agree. Something is always happening when Keith is in charge of the guitar departement, instead of merely filling in like on D&G, imo.

I think you are on to something there...Keith cares more about 'his' songs and it shows in the live performance.

I'll reiterate though that I think D&G was great...it was a low point in the Toronto concert though, that and Rocks Off (which is too bad as that is certainly in my top 10 of all their songs).

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I think the Stones occasionally write songs to attract younger fans to the music, and I see nothing wrong with that. When a person, aged 18 to 29, hears D and G, he may buy the new CD and acquaint himself with many other Stones classics. I enjoy seeing younger fans at concerts. They are the ones most likely to sing and yell and scream and dance and truly enjoy themselves.

You're out of touch. I'm 18 and the notion that Doom and Gloom is what could have made me a fan of the Stones is almost offensive.

Well said, Bastion. I think it is more that Mick is trying to write something that seems 'modern' at least to him, but isn't. Like adding the mild rap overdub to Anybody Seen My Baby would attract a younger crowd. Both are poorly/lazily written songs - filler at best. I'd rather that they cover some obscure blues or rock-n-roll than put out bad original music at this point. No newly released music from the Stones has enhanced their legacy since maybe Steel Wheels....and that was really just to show they they at least had something in the tank after melting down in the mid-80s. They either don't have the writing skills left to put together an album, or are working with production help that is not pushing them, or just don't care enough...or all 3.

Thought for record store day: 4 song EP covering Chuck Berry and other early rock n roll.

Many young non-Stones fans like it

I haven't liked the live versions of this song but I do like the studio version in and of itself.

I do think One More Shot is the weaker of the two, but it seemed to work better live for some reason.

I agree. Something is always happening when Keith is in charge of the guitar departement, instead of merely filling in like on D&G, imo.

I think you are on to something there...Keith cares more about 'his' songs and it shows in the live performance.

I'll reiterate though that I think D&G was great...it was a low point in the Toronto concert though, that and Rocks Off (which is too bad as that is certainly in my top 10 of all their songs).

I don't know how Don Was works, or anyone else on the current production star works. Are they 'yes man'? Nice guys who know a studio. But I think that even on songs where Mick or Keith has a possibly good lyric or hook, that they need a REAL producer to come in and push the song, the recording, the arranging, to be the best it can be. I get the impression it is now more about keeping the peace, not offending or pushing anyone - and making it sound modern....and it has been that way, at least partly, for a long time. A formula for mediocrity.

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I don't know if that scene in the docu was staged, but seemingly the Stones need a tougher producer.

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I don't know if that scene in the docu was staged, but seemingly the Stones need a tougher producer.

For what? During the last eight years they have spent some four days in the studio making new music...

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I think the Stones occasionally write songs to attract younger fans to the music, and I see nothing wrong with that. When a person, aged 18 to 29, hears D and G, he may buy the new CD and acquaint himself with many other Stones classics. I enjoy seeing younger fans at concerts. They are the ones most likely to sing and yell and scream and dance and truly enjoy themselves.

You're out of touch. I'm 18 and the notion that Doom and Gloom is what could have made me a fan of the Stones is almost offensive.

Well said, Bastion. I think it is more that Mick is trying to write something that seems 'modern' at least to him, but isn't. Like adding the mild rap overdub to Anybody Seen My Baby would attract a younger crowd. Both are poorly/lazily written songs - filler at best. I'd rather that they cover some obscure blues or rock-n-roll than put out bad original music at this point. No newly released music from the Stones has enhanced their legacy since maybe Steel Wheels....and that was really just to show they they at least had something in the tank after melting down in the mid-80s. They either don't have the writing skills left to put together an album, or are working with production help that is not pushing them, or just don't care enough...or all 3.

Thought for record store day: 4 song EP covering Chuck Berry and other early rock n roll.

Many young non-Stones fans like it

I haven't liked the live versions of this song but I do like the studio version in and of itself.

I do think One More Shot is the weaker of the two, but it seemed to work better live for some reason.

I agree. Something is always happening when Keith is in charge of the guitar departement, instead of merely filling in like on D&G, imo.

I think you are on to something there...Keith cares more about 'his' songs and it shows in the live performance.

I'll reiterate though that I think D&G was great...it was a low point in the Toronto concert though, that and Rocks Off (which is too bad as that is certainly in my top 10 of all their songs).

I don't know how Don Was works, or anyone else on the current production star works. Are they 'yes man'? Nice guys who know a studio. But I think that even on songs where Mick or Keith has a possibly good lyric or hook, that they need a REAL producer to come in and push the song, the recording, the arranging, to be the best it can be. I get the impression it is now more about keeping the peace, not offending or pushing anyone - and making it sound modern....and it has been that way, at least partly, for a long time. A formula for mediocrity.

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I think the Stones occasionally write songs to attract younger fans to the music, and I see nothing wrong with that. When a person, aged 18 to 29, hears D and G, he may buy the new CD and acquaint himself with many other Stones classics. I enjoy seeing younger fans at concerts. They are the ones most likely to sing and yell and scream and dance and truly enjoy themselves.

You're out of touch. I'm 18 and the notion that Doom and Gloom is what could have made me a fan of the Stones is almost offensive.

Well said, Bastion. I think it is more that Mick is trying to write something that seems 'modern' at least to him, but isn't. Like adding the mild rap overdub to Anybody Seen My Baby would attract a younger crowd. Both are poorly/lazily written songs - filler at best. I'd rather that they cover some obscure blues or rock-n-roll than put out bad original music at this point. No newly released music from the Stones has enhanced their legacy since maybe Steel Wheels....and that was really just to show they they at least had something in the tank after melting down in the mid-80s. They either don't have the writing skills left to put together an album, or are working with production help that is not pushing them, or just don't care enough...or all 3.

Thought for record store day: 4 song EP covering Chuck Berry and other early rock n roll.

Many young non-Stones fans like it

I haven't liked the live versions of this song but I do like the studio version in and of itself.

I do think One More Shot is the weaker of the two, but it seemed to work better live for some reason.

I agree. Something is always happening when Keith is in charge of the guitar departement, instead of merely filling in like on D&G, imo.

I think you are on to something there...Keith cares more about 'his' songs and it shows in the live performance.

I'll reiterate though that I think D&G was great...it was a low point in the Toronto concert though, that and Rocks Off (which is too bad as that is certainly in my top 10 of all their songs).

I don't know how Don Was works, or anyone else on the current production star works. Are they 'yes man'? Nice guys who know a studio. But I think that even on songs where Mick or Keith has a possibly good lyric or hook, that they need a REAL producer to come in and push the song, the recording, the arranging, to be the best it can be. I get the impression it is now more about keeping the peace, not offending or pushing anyone - and making it sound modern....and it has been that way, at least partly, for a long time. A formula for mediocrity.

I agree totally!

In the documentary "Being Mick", you can see producer Marti Fredriksen pushing Mick while recording "Too Far Gone" that way - even interfering with how he does certain phrases.

I don't know if that scene in the docu was staged, but seemingly the Stones need a tougher producer.

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Strange thing is that it went down really well at Glastonbury. I was surrounded by groups of 18 -25 year olds and as soon as it kicked in they were screaming and singing along. Maybe Mick knows better than us. I do think it's better than anything that came off ABB though