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Doxa
Silver Dagger, I guess we made about the same points simutanuosly...
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rootsman
Brian also plays acoustic guitar, btw.
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Silver Dagger
Point Three - Those 2 great dark Stones' classics Sympathy For The Devil and Gimme Shelter have their roots in Paint It Black. The clue is in the actual title, Black. The vibe is one of darkness and unescapable pain - almost chillingly foretelling the terrible event less than three years later of Brian Jones' own death and funeral.
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DandelionPowderman
Sad Day never gets really sad. The verse lines are rather cheerful, and the chorus somehow follows that mood
The psychedelic elements (for me) is within the music on PIB.
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Witness
[In a parenthesis then, as that song is not a theme here: For my own part, I have never experienced "Sad Day" as having cheerful traits. It might be on the surface, but only on the surface.]
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howled
I think some are reading too much into it.
The song started off with Keith's riff and they were doing novelty joke like things with it in the studio according to Keith and they probably would have had no idea when they were first playing around with it that it would end up as a potential single.
For how the Stones play around with arrangements, see the Goddard Sympathy video where it goes from an Acoustic song to a Samba.
Anyway, they played around with what would become Paint It Black and I think Jack Nitzsche got the rhythm going in a certain way and then Mick probably finished off the lyrics to suit it (maybe inspired by some things he's read) and that was Paint It Black.
It could have ended up as a Mothers Little Helper thing with a middle eastern riff and different lyrics to suit.
The lyrics are about someones funeral that the person has known and the after effects, and Eleanor Rigby was sort of similar and recorded a bit earlier and later then when Paint It Black hit the charts.
This was in the period where the Beatles had stopped singing about Love and just about any subject could theoretically be used for a pop song.
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howled
I think some are reading too much into it.
The song started off with Keith's riff and they were doing novelty joke like things with it in the studio according to Keith and they probably would have had no idea when they were first playing around with it that it would end up as a potential single.
For how the Stones play around with arrangements, see the Goddard Sympathy video where it goes from an Acoustic song to a Samba.
Anyway, they played around with what would become Paint It Black and I think Jack Nitzsche got the rhythm going in a certain way and then Mick probably finished off the lyrics to suit it (maybe inspired by some things he's read) and that was Paint It Black.
It could have ended up as a Mothers Little Helper thing with a middle eastern riff and different lyrics to suit.
The lyrics are about someones funeral that the person has known and the after effects, and Eleanor Rigby was sort of similar and recorded a bit earlier and later then when Paint It Black hit the charts.
This was in the period where the Beatles had stopped singing about Love and just about any subject could theoretically be used for a pop song.
Up till 1967 Keith was also the main lyricist in the band, according to Mick himself.
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Witness
[In a parenthesis then, as that song is not a theme here: For my own part, I have never experienced "Sad Day" as having cheerful traits. It might be on the surface, but only on the surface.]
The melody, Witness..
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howled
I think some are reading too much into it.
The song started off with Keith's riff and they were doing novelty joke like things with it in the studio according to Keith and they probably would have had no idea when they were first playing around with it that it would end up as a potential single.
For how the Stones play around with arrangements, see the Goddard Sympathy video where it goes from an Acoustic song to a Samba.
Anyway, they played around with what would become Paint It Black and I think Jack Nitzsche got the rhythm going in a certain way and then Mick probably finished off the lyrics to suit it (maybe inspired by some things he's read) and that was Paint It Black.
It could have ended up as a Mothers Little Helper thing with a middle eastern riff and different lyrics to suit.
The lyrics are about someones funeral that the person has known and the after effects, and Eleanor Rigby was sort of similar and recorded a bit earlier and later then when Paint It Black hit the charts.
This was in the period where the Beatles had stopped singing about Love and just about any subject could theoretically be used for a pop song.
Up till 1967 Keith was also the main lyricist in the band, according to Mick himself.
I've never heard this before.
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[In a parenthesis then, as that song is not a theme here: For my own part, I have never experienced "Sad Day" as having cheerful traits. It might be on the surface, but only on the surface.]
The melody, Witness..
Against it, the disconcerting guitar, for instance at the end (I have not got it here, it is a guitar?). At least it is disconcerting to me and for me.
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rootsman
Brian also plays acoustic guitar, btw.
Nope, that's Richards.
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[In a parenthesis then, as that song is not a theme here: For my own part, I have never experienced "Sad Day" as having cheerful traits. It might be on the surface, but only on the surface.]
The melody, Witness..
Against it, the disconcerting guitar, for instance at the end (I have not got it here, it is a guitar?). At least it is disconcerting to me and for me.
That is my point! They TRY to make that chorus sad, but it comes across as (almost) cheerful, with its naive humming-like melody
The ending is standard Stones-soul, isn't it?
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rootsman
Brian also plays acoustic guitar, btw.
Nope, that's Richards.
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There are two, Brian most likely plays the off beat rhythmic acoustic which is near enough exact to what he played live.