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Chicago II. Sounds like an AM broadcast.

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The whole Cream output sound rather thin, with extraordinary bad sounding drums. I wonder why they didn´t put more effort into the mixing of those albums.

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The whole Cream output sound rather thin, with extraordinary bad sounding drums. I wonder why they didn´t put more effort into the mixing of those albums.

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Svartmer
The whole Cream output sound rather thin, with extraordinary bad sounding drums. I wonder why they didn´t put more effort into the mixing of those albums.

That is true, but compared to what how the Stones sounded in 1966/67 (and the drum sound too) I'm not so sure if the Cream albums really sound poorer..

I think the "simplest" album "Fresh Cream" is their best sounding record.

Their live albums sound great, though.

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Svartmer
The whole Cream output sound rather thin, with extraordinary bad sounding drums. I wonder why they didn´t put more effort into the mixing of those albums.

That is true, but compared to what how the Stones sounded in 1966/67 (and the drum sound too) I'm not so sure if the Cream albums really sound poorer..

I think the "simplest" album "Fresh Cream" is their best sounding record.

Their live albums sound great, though.

My 'Disraeli Gears' vinyl-album from -67 is sounding really great....just to mentioned something from Claptons book...

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The whole Cream output sound rather thin, with extraordinary bad sounding drums. I wonder why they didn´t put more effort into the mixing of those albums.

That is true, but compared to what how the Stones sounded in 1966/67 (and the drum sound too) I'm not so sure if the Cream albums really sound poorer..

I think the "simplest" album "Fresh Cream" is their best sounding record.

Their live albums sound great, though.

My 'Disraeli Gears' vinyl-album from -67 is sounding really great....just to mentioned something from Claptons book...

You have it on vinyl, I presume?

The cd sounds very thin. I better get the vinyl, then

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Goodbye sounds good, too - that's right.

I like the primitive sound of Fresh Cream, though.

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One album that has awesome sound is Dire Straits Brothers in Arms. Bought the album in 86, then the CD. It was digitally recorded, mixed and mastered (DDD), and many have said it's the best sounding CD out there. I was surprised to see several years ago that it was re-released as a remastered CD! Bought that version and it does sound a bit better. Didn't think you could improve on a recording that was DDD. Also bought the SACD 5.1 version which is awesome. Not a huge Straits fan but I love that album just for the sound quality.

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One album that has awesome sound is Dire Straits Brothers in Arms. Bought the album in 86, then the CD. It was digitally recorded, mixed and mastered (DDD), and many have said it's the best sounding CD out there. I was surprised to see several years ago that it was re-released as a remastered CD! Bought that version and it does sound a bit better. Didn't think you could improve on a recording that was DDD. Also bought the SACD 5.1 version which is awesome. Not a huge Straits fan but I love that album just for the sound quality.

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I wouldn't say hissy, but the drums on early VH albums were kind of boxy and swampy or whatever. There's less difference between snare, toms and kick compared to most rock drums. It kinda mixes well with Eddie's "brown sound" guitar. This was definitely intentional, at least after a while. If you listen to the intro to Hot For Teacher you can hear how the toms and kicks sound almost the same by purpose. On their debut album the drums sound a little more conventional, and actually a little more powerful. Personally I love that clonky funky Alex had in the early 80s, all the more because the overly gated, reverbed and trebly 80s drum style was getting more overused every day.

You must be a drummer (or a producer); thanks for your insight! The cymbals seem a bit hissy to me. True, compared to the "air drums" sound so prevalent in the 80s, one can live with hissy cymbals.

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How about a great sound, crappy album thread?

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I wouldn't say hissy, but the drums on early VH albums were kind of boxy and swampy or whatever. There's less difference between snare, toms and kick compared to most rock drums. It kinda mixes well with Eddie's "brown sound" guitar. This was definitely intentional, at least after a while. If you listen to the intro to Hot For Teacher you can hear how the toms and kicks sound almost the same by purpose. On their debut album the drums sound a little more conventional, and actually a little more powerful. Personally I love that clonky funky Alex had in the early 80s, all the more because the overly gated, reverbed and trebly 80s drum style was getting more overused every day.

You must be a drummer (or a producer); thanks for your insight! The cymbals seem a bit hissy to me. True, compared to the "air drums" sound so prevalent in the 80s, one can live with hissy cymbals.

Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not a drummer nor a producer. At least not professionally. But I play and record music as a hobby. I'm also a big David Lee Roth/Van Halen fan.

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Some of you seem to expect a little too much from 1960s rock and pop albums. True, many of them didn't really capture the power the artists showed "in reality", but it must have been a challenge to properly record loud and trippy people like Cream and Hendrix. The Stones could also have been better presented on record during the pre-Jimmy Miller era, but it was far from terrible. I guess very few artists were as lucky as the Beatles, to have George Martin in the control room.

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Chicago II. Sounds like an AM broadcast.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that.
Some tracks I swear sound like mono mixes.

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Some of you seem to expect a little too much from 1960s rock and pop albums. True, many of them didn't really capture the power the artists showed "in reality", but it must have been a challenge to properly record loud and trippy people like Cream and Hendrix. The Stones could also have been better presented on record during the pre-Jimmy Miller era, but it was far from terrible. I guess very few artists were as lucky as the Beatles, to have George Martin in the control room.

Regarding George Martin it was a real eye-opener to read Geoff Emerick´s book about recording the Beatles. Not to take anything away from George Martin, but he was far from alone in creating the Beatles sound.

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The first two Kiss albums - Kiss & Hotter Than Hell - are great albums that are just about unlistenable and suffer from lifeless and distorted mixes respectively. Too bad they couldn't get Eddie Kramer to mix those albums as well...

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The first two Kiss albums - Kiss & Hotter Than Hell - are great albums that are just about unlistenable and suffer from lifeless and distorted mixes respectively. Too bad they couldn't get Eddie Kramer to mix those albums as well...

The interesting thing with that is that Eddie Kramer produced their first demo. He subsequently botched rock and roll over, tho he did an amazing job on Frehleys solo album. I think the early Kiss albums have a wonderful charm, and I play them often. But Stanley is right, they have no "Sonic Boom"

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theanchorman
The first two Kiss albums - Kiss & Hotter Than Hell - are great albums that are just about unlistenable and suffer from lifeless and distorted mixes respectively. Too bad they couldn't get Eddie Kramer to mix those albums as well...

The interesting thing with that is that Eddie Kramer produced their first demo. He subsequently botched rock and roll over, tho he did an amazing job on Frehleys solo album. I think the early Kiss albums have a wonderful charm, and I play them often. But Stanley is right, they have no "Sonic Boom"

Maybe you need to listen to them on an airplane?

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The first two Kiss albums - Kiss & Hotter Than Hell - are great albums that are just about unlistenable and suffer from lifeless and distorted mixes respectively. Too bad they couldn't get Eddie Kramer to mix those albums as well...

The interesting thing with that is that Eddie Kramer produced their first demo. He subsequently botched rock and roll over, tho he did an amazing job on Frehleys solo album. I think the early Kiss albums have a wonderful charm, and I play them often. But Stanley is right, they have no "Sonic Boom"

Maybe you need to listen to them on an airplane?

Not quite sure what you mean.....but I will say one of the best experiences of my life was flying into JFK with a glass of wine and Back in the New York Groove on the headphones. incredible experience for a lowly Scotsman.

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The first two Kiss albums - Kiss & Hotter Than Hell - are great albums that are just about unlistenable and suffer from lifeless and distorted mixes respectively. Too bad they couldn't get Eddie Kramer to mix those albums as well...

The interesting thing with that is that Eddie Kramer produced their first demo. He subsequently botched rock and roll over, tho he did an amazing job on Frehleys solo album. I think the early Kiss albums have a wonderful charm, and I play them often. But Stanley is right, they have no "Sonic Boom"

Maybe you need to listen to them on an airplane?

Not quite sure what you mean.....but I will say one of the best experiences of my life was flying into JFK with a glass of wine and Back in the New York Groove on the headphones. incredible experience for a lowly Scotsman.

You're right of course...unless you're plane was going to break the sound barrier...hence the sonic boom, there would be no point. I don't know what I was thinking...I'm just at this airport bar right now well into a 4 hour wait for my flight maybe I've got plane on the brane?

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The first two Kiss albums - Kiss & Hotter Than Hell - are great albums that are just about unlistenable and suffer from lifeless and distorted mixes respectively. Too bad they couldn't get Eddie Kramer to mix those albums as well...

The interesting thing with that is that Eddie Kramer produced their first demo. He subsequently botched rock and roll over, tho he did an amazing job on Frehleys solo album. I think the early Kiss albums have a wonderful charm, and I play them often. But Stanley is right, they have no "Sonic Boom"

Maybe you need to listen to them on an airplane?

Not quite sure what you mean.....but I will say one of the best experiences of my life was flying into JFK with a glass of wine and Back in the New York Groove on the headphones. incredible experience for a lowly Scotsman.

You're right of course...unless you're plane was going to break the sound barrier...hence the sonic boom, there would be no point. I don't know what I was thinking...I'm just at this airport bar right now well into a 4 hour wait for my flight maybe I've got plane on the brane?

Ahhh - Gotcha now. Hope you are flying somewhere exotic. Cheers!

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The first two Kiss albums - Kiss & Hotter Than Hell - are great albums that are just about unlistenable and suffer from lifeless and distorted mixes respectively. Too bad they couldn't get Eddie Kramer to mix those albums as well...

The interesting thing with that is that Eddie Kramer produced their first demo. He subsequently botched rock and roll over, tho he did an amazing job on Frehleys solo album. I think the early Kiss albums have a wonderful charm, and I play them often. But Stanley is right, they have no "Sonic Boom"

Maybe you need to listen to them on an airplane?

Not quite sure what you mean.....but I will say one of the best experiences of my life was flying into JFK with a glass of wine and Back in the New York Groove on the headphones. incredible experience for a lowly Scotsman.

You're right of course...unless you're plane was going to break the sound barrier...hence the sonic boom, there would be no point. I don't know what I was thinking...I'm just at this airport bar right now well into a 4 hour wait for my flight maybe I've got plane on the brane?

Ahhh - Gotcha now. Hope you are flying somewhere exotic. Cheers!

Thanks! After a week away for work, HOME is sounding exotic to me!