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As long as there is an indiscriminating audience easily satisfied to hear retread hits they'll give it a whirl.

Pathetic.

So... no matter how awesome the Stones shows are, no matter how much everyone loved Glastonbury and the Hyde park shows, no matter how much people enjoyed the shows in the states... there are always some people who feel personally obligated to ignore all of those rave reviews and facts and just keep repeating their same old drivel (based not on facts but more on their persimistic and pathetic view of life and everything) which has nothing to do with The Stones.

The Stones did GREAT in their recent shows and everyone who went reported that fact.

Yes they DID do great, and yes the majority of people that went to see them thought they were in great shape and performing (in all probability) better than expected given their 5 year absence from the stage since the ABB tour finished in August 2007 and the first O2 show in November 2012.

I'm one of those people, I saw both initial O2 shows, all three NY/NJ shows, and then this summer - both Hyde Park shows. BUT, nuts about them as I am, I'm not beyond getting a little bit bored with hearing a significant proportion of the SAME old tunes again and again. I recently commented on this phenomenon in the Sweet Summer Sun DVD thread, only because when I looked at the intended tracklist, it seemed to me that there was scarcely a song on there that isn't already on the two preceding DVD releases: Four Flicks and A Biggest Bang.

So with all due respect, there IS a repetition factor, and some of us, no matter how we love the band and would inevitably go see them until their dying day, are NOT beyond criticising them for a certain amount of "recycling of material" shall we say. I'm not infallible, I CAN get bored if I have little TOO much of a good thing !! And yet another version of a good number of songs that ALREADY prevail on the two preceding DVD releases from this band are, at least for me, exactly that ........... a little TOO much !

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

Some people go see the same band over and over on the same tour, and then an album of that tour is released, and then those people complain that is all the same thing.

- They earned my respect
- I wish Glasto would be one of their three last shows
- Their enthusiasm and anticipation would not even come close. I don't even mention if their level of play would. They know that. But fans are prepared to believe anything.
- ticket prices, poor set lists, too rusty guitar play, off time drumming, vegas style shows
- Asking for more is pretty much the same as not respecting them

I wonder what makes people come to a fan board, trying to enhance themselves over the band we love - on a bloody fan board - and write stuff like this?

That beats me (and I don't wanna hear why again, Dreamer, it's just sad that you won't respect that fans still have a good time at the shows)

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- They earned my respect
- I wish Glasto would be one of their three last shows
- Their enthusiasm and anticipation would not even come close. I don't even mention if their level of play would. They know that. But fans are prepared to believe anything.
- ticket prices, poor set lists, too rusty guitar play, off time drumming, vegas style shows
- Asking for more is pretty much the same as not respecting them

I wonder what makes people come to a fan board, trying to enhance themselves over the band we love - on a bloody fan board - and write stuff like this?

That beats me (and I don't wanna hear why again, Dreamer, it's just sad that you won't respect that fans still have a good time at the shows)

beats me too.




Its only rock and roll!

STONES!!

It's only rock'n'roll, Max!

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Some people go see the same band over and over on the same tour, and then an album of that tour is released, and then those people complain that is all the same thing.

Quite so .

But I suspect the problem for some folks is that...even though they know they've had enough...they just can't stop .

It would never occur to us that well adjusted, normal people just attend the one show .

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It's only rock'n'roll, Max!

Cheers my friend!!! rock'n'roll indeed!!

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Max'sKansasCity
Some people go see the same band over and over on the same tour, and then an album of that tour is released, and then those people complain that is all the same thing.

Quite so .

But I suspect the problem for some folks is that...even though they know they've had enough...they just can't stop .

It would never occur to us that well adjusted, normal people just attend the one show .

just one? no one can do just one


Heck, I wish I could have done just one (actually every) show on this last tour, it broke my heart that I was unable to attend even on. But on previous tours where I usually saw 4-5 stops, and they were kind of the same show, but it NEVER occured to me that was a bad or negative thing and I shirley surely would never complain about it, I mean, who would listen with sympathy if/when I said something like "I went to 5 Stones shows on this same tour and they were too similar to each other, then I bought the live CD from the tour and it was the same too".... facts be known, mostly people just gave me trouble for spoiling myself by having too much fun seeing The Stones too many times! ah... those were the days my friends, I thought they would never end.

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Max'sKansasCity
Some people go see the same band over and over on the same tour, and then an album of that tour is released, and then those people complain that is all the same thing.

Quite so .

But I suspect the problem for some folks is that...even though they know they've had enough...they just can't stop .

It would never occur to us that well adjusted, normal people just attend the one show .

just one? no one can do just one


Heck, I wish I could have done just one (actually every) show on this last tour, it broke my heart that I was unable to attend even on. But on previous tours where I usually saw 4-5 stops, and they were kind of the same show, but it NEVER occured to me that was a bad or negative thing and I shirley surely would never complain about it, I mean, who would listen with sympathy if/when I said something like "I went to 5 Stones shows on this same tour and they were too similar to each other, then I bought the live CD from the tour and it was the same too".... facts be known, mostly people just gave me trouble for spoiling myself by having too much fun seeing The Stones too many times! ah... those were the days my friends, I thought they would never end.

The Stones are like a good roller coaster ride. Once you are on board (live at the concert) you forget about how many times you have done it in the past. Always thrilling.

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As long as there is an indiscriminating audience easily satisfied to hear retread hits they'll give it a whirl.

Pathetic.

So... no matter how awesome the Stones shows are, no matter how much everyone loved Glastonbury and the Hyde park shows, no matter how much people enjoyed the shows in the states... there are always some people who feel personally obligated to ignore all of those rave reviews and facts and just keep repeating their same old drivel (based not on facts but more on their persimistic and pathetic view of life and everything) which has nothing to do with The Stones.

The Stones did GREAT in their recent shows and everyone who went reported that fact.

Yes they DID do great, and yes the majority of people that went to see them thought they were in great shape and performing (in all probability) better than expected given their 5 year absence from the stage since the ABB tour finished in August 2007 and the first O2 show in November 2012.

I'm one of those people, I saw both initial O2 shows, all three NY/NJ shows, and then this summer - both Hyde Park shows. BUT, nuts about them as I am, I'm not beyond getting a little bit bored with hearing a significant proportion of the SAME old tunes again and again. I recently commented on this phenomenon in the Sweet Summer Sun DVD thread, only because when I looked at the intended tracklist, it seemed to me that there was scarcely a song on there that isn't already on the two preceding DVD releases: Four Flicks and A Biggest Bang.

So with all due respect, there IS a repetition factor, and some of us, no matter how we love the band and would inevitably go see them until their dying day, are NOT beyond criticising them for a certain amount of "recycling of material" shall we say. I'm not infallible, I CAN get bored if I have little TOO much of a good thing !! And yet another version of a good number of songs that ALREADY prevail on the two preceding DVD releases from this band are, at least for me, exactly that ........... a little TOO much !

See, there is a balance. And I'm only reporting what I saw and heard. I'm not 'persimistic' or whatever MKC was attempting to spell. If you want to pretend that this tour was as good as past tours, then more power to you.

"I wish I was like you, easily amused...."

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Some people go see the same band over and over on the same tour, and then an album of that tour is released, and then those people complain that is all the same thing.

They whine, then they dine, on it! The DVD that is. Cut and paste intro to SMU and all, I suppose when it actually comes down to it I will buy it, grab a bottle of red wine from the wine cellar, and pop it in the DVD player! It's really hard to kick my addiction to this band no matter how hard I try!

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Some people go see the same band over and over on the same tour, and then an album of that tour is released, and then those people complain that is all the same thing.

Well not quite .......... MY particular gripe as regards the forthcoming DVD release is that the tracklist covers a great deal of stuff that is already on preceding DVD releases; I mean how MANY versions of BS, Satisfaction, JJF, HTW and so on can one have ? Maybe the answer to that question from some folks would be "not enough", mine would be "at some point - too many", and I make no apology for so saying.

Each to theirs though ..........

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

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Some people go see the same band over and over on the same tour, and then an album of that tour is released, and then those people complain that is all the same thing.

Well not quite .......... MY particular gripe as regards the forthcoming DVD release is that the tracklist covers a great deal of stuff that is already on preceding DVD releases; I mean how MANY versions of BS, Satisfaction, JJF, HTW and so on can one have ? Maybe the answer to that question from some folks would be "not enough", mine would be "at some point - too many", and I make no apology for so saying.

Each to theirs though ..........

Maybe we just need to adjust our expectations to "How Long Can They Continue Performing The Hits At A High Level?" Maybe we need to just forget about new material and focus on seeing how far they can take this "greatest hits show"? It seems that way for them.



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It doesnt matter what the board is about or what the topic is (be it NASCAR, NFL, MLB, Hockey, tennis, Rolling Stones, rock collecting, rock skipping, rock throwing, rock'n'rolling, weather, running, painting, buildings, caves, mountains, the cure for polio, etc etc etc) on the internet what a lot of people mainly like to do is whine and complain. No matter the subject matter, some people just love nothing more than bitching about things, being unhappy about things, seeing things as far worse than they actually are and trying to convince everyone else that things are so very very horrible, all while defending their right to whine about everything and anything, constantly.

...and yeah, I new to the internet.

Of course I am speaking to myself as much as anyone else here. Instead of pushing for new material maybe it's time for some of us to adjust our expectations to something that is more in alignment with the future goals of the band. If the bands goal is to see how far they can take this "greatest hits" show (while still performing at a high level) then maybe it's time for some of us to fall in line with that goal. After all, would it not be amazing if they were still performing at the same level that we just witnessed on their recent 50th anniversary tour, say, three, four, and five years from now when they are roughly 75 years of age?

I am amazed that they still can put on a great show. We really can't expect more, imo.

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I am amazed that they still can put on a great show. We really can't expect more, imo.

I am beginning to think I can live with no new music and adjust to just seeing them take this baby (greatest hits show) as far as they can go! Can you imagine if they are still doing this at 75 and beyond? Mind boggling! And, to think that with each passing year, they would be leaving the Beatles further and further in their rear view mirror! That also gives me goosebumps!

At some point Mick would have to slow down a bit, but yeah, I can see them do this a few years more

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At some point Mick would have to slow down a bit, but yeah, I can see them do this a few years more

My own opinion is that he could start slowing down a bit RIGHT NOW, it wouldn't hurt the "Rolling Stones Live" stage act ......... in fact I'd say it would actually do it some good !!

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

I suppose Mick will/may slow down someday...

but I for one am still absolutley flabbergasted at his performamces at the recent live shows (which I only saw on video, but still) I was stunned as what strong voice, personality and condition he was in, doing his Jagger thing as if he was still 30 years. It is stunning.

Contrary to what anyone might think, I dont just rah rah "The Stones are great" just be be positive, I say it all because I think they deserve the accolades for doing what they are doing, it is amazing.

I understand the day may come when they can not still do it and at that point I wont keep saying what I say... and I probably wont start gleefully bashing on them, like so many here love to do.... more than likely I will just go quiet about it.... but as long as they keep kicking ass the way they do, I will be here saying WOW!!! STONES!!!



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I'll jump on the Mick is a freak bandwagon. Guy is unbelievable --- I thought his voice was strong as hell on this tour and he wasn't over-singing like he often did on ABB. Physically he is a marvel. My Dad turns 70 this year and still runs every morning but what Mick does is a on a completely different level. It's pretty ridiculous that he's able to move as he does at his age,

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I believe they will do more concerts, but I also think that something we don't know happened after hyde park. there were too many rumours around about arena tour in europe in november and at the end they ended up in smoke.
maybe money issues, maybe mick and keith cannot stand each other for longer tours, maybe hundreds of other things, but something went wrong

Probably the bit in bold. The Euro shows mooted for October-November were definitely more than mere rumours as of mid-summer or thereabouts.

I dont think the Mick and Keith issue is a significant issue. They've not really been friends for decades in the proper sense of the word and never seem to socialise together even when theyre on the road.

Its not unheard of for a band to be capable of working together for the couple of hours they're onstage and then lead separate existences the rest of the time they're on tour. If anything, the hardest part is probably the rehearsals when they are manacled together 5 days a week for a month or so.

They both do seem to have other work now lined up later this year - Mick has some movie production duties to take care of and Keith seems to have a solo album near completion. Could be that they ended up figuring that those things needed a bit more commitment in the short term that what was originally planned.



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Mick is the only thing still at the level the Stones set long ago. But even he doesn't push it to included challenging or lesser known material. I wonder what the Stones of old would think of them still on stage at 70, doing an oldies act? Good money, but an oldies act.

And I love the people who constantly whine about people whining. Cheerleaders are boring without a critical eye.

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Mick is the only thing still at the level the Stones set long ago. But even he doesn't push it to included challenging or lesser known material.

Actually the others are probably pushing more for lesser known material than Mick. But Mick is the one who was to work hard and stand in the spotlight when a sold-out O2 just stands puzzled by "I wanna be your man". They had rehearsed it so much in Bondy that I'm sure Mick took it very personnaly when the crowd let him down on that one.

By the way, when I asked Chuck about including Love In Vain in San Jose, his answer was "You'd better ask the singer".

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I believe they will do more concerts, but I also think that something we don't know happened after hyde park. there were too many rumours around about arena tour in europe in november and at the end they ended up in smoke.
maybe money issues, maybe mick and keith cannot stand each other for longer tours, maybe hundreds of other things, but something went wrong

Probably the bit in bold. The Euro shows mooted for October-November were definitely more than mere rumours as of mid-summer or thereabouts.

I dont think the Mick and Keith issue is a significant issue. They've not really been friends for decades in the proper sense of the word and never seem to socialise together even when theyre on the road.

Its not unheard of for a band to be capable of working together for the couple of hours they're onstage and then lead separate existences the rest of the time they're on tour. If anything, the hardest part is probably the rehearsals when they are manacled together 5 days a week for a month or so.

They both do seem to have other work now lined up later this year - Mick has some movie production duties to take care of and Keith seems to have a solo album near completion. Could be that they ended up figuring that those things needed a bit more commitment in the short term that what was originally planned.

Aewesome, that all sounds like good news for things to come.

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It doesnt matter what the board is about or what the topic is (be it NASCAR, NFL, MLB, Hockey, tennis, Rolling Stones, rock collecting, rock skipping, rock throwing, rock'n'rolling, weather, running, painting, buildings, caves, mountains, the cure for polio, etc etc etc) on the internet what a lot of people mainly like to do is whine and complain. No matter the subject matter, some people just love nothing more than bitching about things, being unhappy about things, seeing things as far worse than they actually are and trying to convince everyone else that things are so very very horrible, all while defending their right to whine about everything and anything, constantly.

...and yeah, I new to the internet.

Some people are just losers and come to these types of forums just to diminish the accomplishments of those that are successful. You see a few of those types right here at IORR. That's not to say that everyone that criticizes the band is a loser, but when all they do is complain and take every opportunity to diminish the bands achievements then it does raise a red flag.

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I am amazed that they still can put on a great show. We really can't expect more, imo.

I am beginning to think I can live with no new music and adjust to just seeing them take this baby (greatest hits show) as far as they can go! Can you imagine if they are still doing this at 75 and beyond? Mind boggling! And, to think that with each passing year, they would be leaving the Beatles further and further in their rear view mirror! That also gives me goosebumps!

Actually, it's kind of liberating not having to feel like they *must* produce new material.

That's true, Lantern. "Takes every opportunity" are they key words...

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It doesnt matter what the board is about or what the topic is (be it NASCAR, NFL, MLB, Hockey, tennis, Rolling Stones, rock collecting, rock skipping, rock throwing, rock'n'rolling, weather, running, painting, buildings, caves, mountains, the cure for polio, etc etc etc) on the internet what a lot of people mainly like to do is whine and complain. No matter the subject matter, some people just love nothing more than bitching about things, being unhappy about things, seeing things as far worse than they actually are and trying to convince everyone else that things are so very very horrible, all while defending their right to whine about everything and anything, constantly.

...and yeah, I new to the internet.

Some people are just losers and come to these types of forums just to diminish the accomplishments of those that are successful. You see a few of those types right here at IORR. That's not to say that everyone that criticizes the band is a loser, but when all they do is complain and take every opportunity to diminish the bands achievements then it does raise a red flag.

Yeah, no kidding.

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But Mick is the one who was to work hard and stand in the spotlight when a sold-out O2 just stands puzzled by "I wanna be your man". They had rehearsed it so much in Bondy that I'm sure Mick took it very personnaly when the crowd let him down on that one.

Not where I was sitting/standing, they didn't. They were going nuts--the band could have been playing any song, it was the first time anybody had seen them in years and there was wild enthusiasm. The notion of people "standing puzzled" is bizarre . . . You only had to look around to see the excitement.